Open 581: Making Friends and Enemies! (Game over)

[elleheathen]

It's no worries - I'm just overthinking it.

[Lone Ranger]

I'm still waiting on Titus and Elle to explain their votes in a way that doesn't amount to "you are not giving us reads" which later morphed to "you are not giving us

enough

reads ergo you are scum. You are both better scumhunters than to think such a ridiculous line will fly. This is not D1. We have enough information in the game to analyze than voting someone because they don't have reads. And let me tell you, fabricating reads as scum is extraordinarily easy.

[Titus]

You act as if you've given reads since I have shown up. You haven't. A conclusion is not a read.

You then try to blame us for wanting reads while simultaneously saying we are not.

Your refusal to provide content since I got here is downright scumny. I put much mire emphasis on the facts as I see them because I get the emotional context.

If you think it's easy, fabricate something. Who do you want lynched?

Good night.

[Titus]

We are not = we are not providing any.

[Lone Ranger]

1. ISO me. Holy crap it is long. I list my reasons for scumreading GC.
2. I'm not going to fabricate content because I'm town. Duh.

[Titus]

Just give me the five minute version. Drop the stale shit. I never inclined to go fish when I have the time to do so. Much less now.

[Titus]

Fishing leads to a lot of suggestability and filling in gaps.

[Whatisswag]

Ok, we recall what happened between me and dave.

I was the most active player (though not necessarily the person leading town)
I called dave's posts useless and scum read him and the case was a shit case.
dave rages and votes me.

now let me quote this post made last year september which I only found out as I was reading past MD threads.

My tough one is scum leading town. The guy who is driving conversations, actually making (bogus) cases. Even worse, when they scum read me and the points are the slightest bit plausible (though obv false).

Note what he is describing is the exact same situation as what happened between me and him. (Except that I am not scum)

As scum, it simply does not make sense to rage and vote me.
But as town, well you can see it for yourself.

[Whatisswag]

I assume it is ok to use posts in MD to our knowledge.

[Kaboose]

What is MD threads?

[Kaboose]

are*

[Green Crayons]

@swag:

The quote is dave describing scum that are hard for him to catch.

It looks like you're suggesting that dave was over-suspecting you because you fit the mold of scum that is hard for him to catch.

Show me dave's justification for voting you that matches your hypothesis. I remember "fuck off" and "totally not an OMGUS vote."

[davesaz]

That was me being actually (RL) upset at being called useless, and indirectly called a liar when it was repeated after I said there was a point to my questions.
I can confirm that it has nothing to do with a "scum leading town" tell, and trying to link to that is misguided. Undecided on whether making that link at this time is scummy.
I then said that after getting ticked off I did a slow read through of swag up to that point and it looked scummy independent of the rage that prompted me to look.

@Kaboose -- I think the reference is to "meta data" threads.
@Swag -- It's ok to reference events in completed games.

[Green Crayons]

MD = Mafia Discussion, the discussion forum

[davesaz]

Oh, forgot I'd even posted in that forum.

Those are fine too.

[Titus]

Really Swag, Stale MD threads...

Off to work. May be able to sneak in lunch. Do not count on it.

[Titus]

I assume it is ok to use posts in MD to our knowledge.

It's legal but it reads desperate as fuck.

[Malakittens]

Okay planning to start reading in an hour or so. I'll probably read for an hour or so then take a break and get back to it.

[Heartless]

And do you have concerns about the utter lack of info LR is giving ud Heartless?

tth does but i don't really

[Heartless]

I assume it is ok to use posts in MD to our knowledge.

It's legal but it reads desperate as fuck.

desperate for what...?

you seem to want to howl all about content right now, but the amount of sheer non-informative bullshit being trafficked through by gc is just staggering. a few minutes looking at the iso and the whole "red in the inbox" mentality just bleeds through the screen.

hell, you want desperate? look at these gc interactions w/ tth. he's DESPERATELY trying to keep her at arms length by soft OMGUSing while ostensibly giving her a townread b/c she scares the shit out of him. he's perfectly content picking on the half of the hydra he thinks he can get away with but is tiptoeing around the one that can give him a run for his money (see also: the stonewalling on the elle read when there was no reason to then the sarcastic, condescending response that heaps the blame on us if we don't change our read)

[Green Crayons]

Buzzbuzzbuzzwords.

[Malakittens]

One thing I noticed I think from the last VC is I saw CptPicard giving lots of information out and then all of a sudden he flakes. That bothers me because the bit I saw I liked. I can't wait til i'm fully caught up to see why that was.

[Heartless]

Buzzbuzzbuzzwords.

see this is EXACTLY what i'm talking about

these glib, shitty potshots that don't actually continue a conversation, it's just about shutting the opposition down and keeping the dynamic short and choppy. and it's not just with me. see: gc's analysis of tth's kaboose paragraphs and interactions with swag.

i bet he does it because he thinks it makes him sound authoritative.

it doesn't

it's scummy as fuck

[Heartless]

the ppl on the other side of arguments w/ gc are FAR AND AWAY more town than he is too. there's just a roster of people:

dave
elle
lone ranger
us

he's been pushing bad arguments. all game long.

this.
is.
a.
scum.
agenda.

[Green Crayons]

There's nothing more to the conversation to be had.

It's like you didn't even read my post.