Open 583: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Problem?

[copper223]

If I were just whining and my argument had no merit you would not have switched vote so quickly.

VOTE: Mastin

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I believe your frustration is genuine.

I'll be more than pissed off if it isn't.

[mastin2]

you are dead either way.

Anen, I think your townread on BBT is wrong.

Because preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty sure that BBT-copper interactions right here are scum-scum.

Like, it's a tonality thing, but read this exchange. This post is just one in the series; read it all.

Does it in any way, shape, or form look sincere?

Not to me.

[mastin2]

VOTE: Mastin

All leading up to this, by the way, when momentum begins to shift onto copper.

It's faked-as-hell.

They're both scum.

[mastin2]

If I were just whining and my argument had no merit you would not have switched vote so quickly.
VOTE: Mastin

Seriously, they're not even trying to hide it.

Guarantee you.

This is like one of those faked lylo exchanges where they go through the motions of bantering, as a formality, but as soon as they can pull it off safely, they work together to seal the game.

It should be noted additionally that copper does indeed have a habit of claiming gutsy town roles as scum, as has been referenced by Anen, so yes, him claiming vengeful is something that's perfectly logical for copper to do as scum.

Copper is scum because what he says and what he does isn't matching up. His posting is filled to the brim with contradiction after contradiction. He's shown a very, VERY likely mindslip to his claim being fake, and he's being opportunistic.

BBT is a likely scum candidate because of just how fake their dialog is and how BBT is being even MORE opportunistic: on the vettock wagon, on my wagon, saying copper's scum, it's all there.

[mastin2]

Like seriously.
In my parts, we call that type of exchange?

Being a cheeky scumfuck

.

Where's the fire? The ~passion~? The belief, the push? There is none. It's just fancily-worded fluff disguised superficially to look like content--not even active lurking, just...stuff. Stuff meant to justify their positioning, but which if you bother to analyze reveals quite the contrary.

I don't know if vettock's scum anymore. Could be, could be town. But copper? Definitely not. And I really,

really

don't think BBT is. Their exchange is just so...so...cheekily fake. Like, happy, upbeat, laughing-their-asses-off, tauntingly not legit.

I'd like to ask the experienced half of the playerlist (people like Anti and Wicked) to go tell me I'm wrong. Because...I really don't think I am. Their tone is just...that of a cheeky scumfuck.

[killapenwin]

I don't know why people are not voting beastcharizard right now,
a) he has been unhelpful for town
b) his flip could shine light on the alignment on mastin and copper, who are current being scumread by quite a few people
c) his reasoning for lack or participation is pretty shit
d) there seems to be a distinct lack of traction behind my push on him (no one is joining a bandwagon on him easily, scum could have easily jumped on and blamed me/wicked if we mislynched)

[Heartless]

hello everybody and welcome to this episode of

WHO'S READ IS IT ANYWAY?

the game show where meta usage is fucked beyond recognition, reads don't make any goddamn sense, and progression doesn't matter.

woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Heartless]

d) there seems to be a distinct lack of traction behind my push on him (no one is joining a bandwagon on him easily, scum could have easily jumped on and blamed me/wicked if we mislynched)

well copper made sure to shut that shit down right quick

[killapenwin]

do you think it is worth pursuing today heartless?

[Heartless]

Spoiler: reads progression on copper, it's a doozy

It's also a great claim for scum to make.

You concede the point Copper?

Copper is likely scum.

I still want to lynch Anen as well.

But nobody is listening.

So I'll crawl back into my hole until people want to listen.

I'll lynch Vettrock toDay.

The majority of Copper's play strikes me as scummy but scum seem way too overpowered if we can essentially lose the game by lynching Scum!Copper, he shoots townie and scum and SK kill to end game for town.

Plus, he re-evaluation of his reads late D1 felt awfully town.

Would lynch Anen too.

Vengeful doesn't seem a great fake-claim for scum to make.

Yay.

VOTE: Copper

A fake PR claim*

No, I'm not.

I think you're scum and I'm voting accordingly. Stop crying.

VOTE: Mastin

[mastin2]

Yes.
Yes, it is.

The BBT-copper interaction is just...well,

wrong

.

Do it from the other side, too, Anti. Copper on BBT.
Enjoy the read.

[Heartless]

do you think it is worth pursuing today heartless?

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

it'd still mostly be on the basis of him not knowing his ass from a hole in the ground this game. which happened before (actually in the one tth linked).

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Look at the scum coming together to form a CW.

Ain't it cute.

[Heartless]

Do it from the other side, too, Anti. Copper on BBT.

copper on [fucking everyone in this game] reads progression doesn't make sense

[Heartless]

your ass, you're talking out of ....... page 18

[Heartless]

Look at the scum coming together to form a CW.

Ain't it cute.

lol, except mastin's not voting you

she should though

[Heartless]

u can feel free to explain this scooby doo sentence any time bbt

The majority of Copper's play strikes me as scummy but scum seem way too overpowered if we can essentially lose the game by lynching Scum!Copper, he shoots townie and scum and SK kill to end game for town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mastin is lining up to vote me.

That's pretty clear.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I derped and thought Copper could be scum & vengeful.

Keep forgetting it's an open setup.

[Heartless]

I derped and thought Copper could be scum & vengeful.

Keep forgetting it's an open setup.

bullshit, where were you getting the scum numbers from then?

[Aneninen]

Back.

I'm responding to Copper now.

First of all, don't take it as a personal offence, but I simply don't believe you. I think your claim is fake, therefore you're scum.
– Massclaiming would help the scums more than the town. The scums would know all the PRs and they could choose the most dangerous PR to Nightkill, turn by turn. This would be especially bad in this particular game because (1) most probably there's an SK and (2) two PRs are already dead. The only advantage for the town would be that we'd be able to confirm some players. (However, see something else about this topic below!) BUT, this would come with two serious disadvantages: (1) some scums could perform a safe-looking fake-claim (and it would be hard to decide which claims are real and which are fake) and (2) if the scums are charismatic enough, they would be able to convince the town to lynch the

real

PR.
– I'm not misrepresenting you at all. It's possible that I'm misinterpreting you and my scumread on you is wrong. So, instead of voting for you I asked everyone to discuss my reads. I've already expained: if your claim is real and I'm wrong, lynching you can be equal with performing

two

mislynchs.
– You wrote that I had been responsible for outing Vettrock. Isn't that a misrepresenting from you? It's pretty obvious that I hadn't noticed Vettrock's hints before he claimed. You could have posted something like "I think I saw a PR-hint from someone" instead of outing Vettrock.
(As for Vettrock, I still need to examine whether his claim is real or not. My intuition says it

is

, but I want to be surer.)
– Also, there's something else. If your claim is real and you assume that the setup contains 4 PRs (it's five times more probable than the 6PRs version and because having an SK in the setup is very likely), your gameplay as a townie is very bad. Let me explain: if you're really a Vengeful and if you've spotted Vettrock's hints (and if his claim is real too), it's 80% that there are NO other PRs at all. What does that mean? Most probably NO townie would claim anything. (About all these claims I'll write something else in my next post, because there's something else that suggests me that Copper is faking.)

________

Summary – and I will keep my promise

:
I repeat: we should discuss as soon as we can whether my read on Copper is correct or not. If we decide that I must be right,

then

we should start voting him and lynch him. DO NOT park your votes there before we've agreed about him! If I'm wrong, some scums could jump on his wagon and quicklynch him in the middle of the conversation!!!
However, if the majority thinks I'm wrong, I'll drop my case and I won't bring up the topic any more.

________

Apart from Copper's 1253 I haven't read the thread thoroughly since my last post. I'll write about everything else later.

[mastin2]

Mastin is lining up to vote me. That's pretty clear.

Not my preferred lynch, but yes. I would lynch you.

[Heartless]

I derped and thought Copper could be scum & vengeful.

Keep forgetting it's an open setup.

bullshit, where were you getting the scum numbers from then?

the changing narrative:
>copper is faking and full of shit
>copper is actually vengeful, but scum
>vengeful is an awesome scum claim
>vengeful is a bad scum claim
>vengeful scum getting lynched would confer scum an advantage

SO WHICH ONE IS IT, BBT?