Open 581: Making Friends and Enemies! (Game over)

[Green Crayons]

Also, if you are putting the minimal conversation I have had with dave, and my pursuit of elle-suspicions, on the same level as Ranger's horrible "GC is scum guys lolobviously he's not being a scumhunting god here," you're p bad at evaluating players.


Oh oh oh, but please do defend Ranger's horrible, lie-infested, refusing-to-back-up-her-accusations position that I'm scum. I'd love for someone to do so, since she won't.

[Green Crayons]

Also, since the basis for swag's "dave is obvtown" stance has been shot down by none other than dave himself, please provide your basis for belief that dave is obvtown.

[Malakittens]

VOTE: GC

[Titus]

Mod: Can we get a deadline extension until a Picard replacement is found?

Partially self motivated as I don't really care to make a deadline lynch either while on VLA.

TTH, I know one of your heads really sees GC as scum, but I don't see it. If I can track the train of thought and it doesn't scream fake, I'll hard read the player pretty hard until the end game. That's what I am seeing wiht GC. I don't agree with them a lot (particularly on Kaboose) but we were able to work to see where the difference was. If we can, but just fundamentally disagree, I'm perfectly fine with letting the slot be town since I know my reads are usually pretty controversal. I actually get alarmed if my reads are not.

[Grib]

VOTE: GC

Anything else to say?

[Malakittens]

oh btw titus is town.

[Malakittens]

VOTE: GC

Anything else to say?

heartless town.
titus town.
WiS likely town.
CptPicard maybe scum.
GC feels scum based off something i saw on this page, gut feeling.

[Lone Ranger]

Explain Titus town? Nothing that she said made any sense. It feels like she jumbled up her sentences in random order and spit them out.

[Grib]

heartless town.
titus town.
WiS likely town.
CptPicard maybe scum.
GC feels scum based off something i saw on this page, gut feeling.

Expand on what makes you feel GC is scum.

[Green Crayons]

Explain Titus town? Nothing that she said made any sense. It feels like she jumbled up her sentences in random order and spit them out.

Have you ever played with Titus before?

[elleheathen]

VOTE: GC

Anything else to say?

heartless town.
titus town.
WiS likely town.
CptPicard maybe scum.
GC feels scum based off something i saw on this page, gut feeling.

Why is Picard scum?

And what was the something on this page that made you think GC was scum?

[elleheathen]

I have never not liked a naked vote more than that one.

[elleheathen]

I'm not lynching GC. And you shouldn't, either.

That wagon is just...

wrong.

[elleheathen]

Also, no one should be hammering ANY wagon right now if it comes to that

Not before we have everyone here

[Whatisswag]

I am always happy to hammer.

[Whatisswag]

Also, no one should be hammering ANY wagon right now if it comes to that

Not before we have everyone here

Why? green is only at L-3. Why do you even care about hammering at this point? Looks like scum team to me.

[Titus]

Explain Titus town? Nothing that she said made any sense. It feels like she jumbled up her sentences in random order and spit them out.

Have you ever played with Titus before?

That's just a side effect of being me. I get thst complaint a lot. That is why I play mafia. It's a correct observation but not alignment indicative.

[Titus]

Also, no one should be hammering ANY wagon right now if it comes to that

Not before we have everyone here

Why? green is only at L-3. Why do you even care about hammering at this point? Looks like scum team to me.

I have mentioned just a few posts to freeze the deadline so I am not in trial during that time. This is another reach to paint town as scum.

[Green Crayons]

That's just a side effect of being me. I get thst complaint a lot. That is why I play mafia. It's a correct observation but not alignment indicative.

Yes, that is why I'm asking if Ranger has ever played with you.

If not, then she's just suspicious of your playstyle.

If so, then I'm curious as to what specifically it is about your play, beyond style, that is bothering her.

[Titus]

I don't believe we have played with each other.

[Heartless]

Ooooooo, you're a lawyer? Interesting. Good luck with your trial.

[Kaboose]

VOTE: GC

Anything else to say?

heartless town.
titus town.
WiS likely town.
CptPicard maybe scum.
GC feels scum based off something i saw on this page, gut feeling.

I don't understand how you have a read on Picard tossed on there but not one on me, or elle, or LR? How do you read Picard as scum? Does it go back to the whole slot or is it something just Picard has done?

[Heartless]

TTH, I know one of your heads really sees GC as scum, but I don't see it. If I can track the train of thought and it doesn't scream fake, I'll hard read the player pretty hard until the end game. That's what I am seeing wiht GC. I don't agree with them a lot (particularly on Kaboose) but we were able to work to see where the difference was. If we can, but just fundamentally disagree, I'm perfectly fine with letting the slot be town since I know my reads are usually pretty controversal. I actually get alarmed if my reads are not.

If you don't see Antihero's points on him, I hope you can at least see that GC is giving both of us the runaround right now: burying Antihero in pointless, condescending hostility and me in tenuous arguments and "maybe I'll suspect you and maybe I won't" posturing.

The davesaz case just isn't there. I've had some experience with dave in previous games (Open 573: C9++ and micro 429: m9++) and I know that his style tends to get scum read for whatever reason. I think it's that he doesn't fully explain himself and he assumes people know what he's talking about more than they really do, but the reason isn't that important. The point is that he tends to catch heat for fairly superficial reasons. In this case it was for asking too many "pointless" questions and denying OMGUS without being accused of it, both of which are circumstantial at best. He actually explained the swag suspicion in Post 259, which Green Crayons acknowledged

and

approved of in Post 267 so I'm not sure why he's suddenly acting like he doesn't understand dave's swag vote

now

. So what's the dave case now? That calling lurkers scum is a "scum cop out"? It only looks bad for dave when removed from the context of town reading most of the key active people.

So is there anything the dave scum read is based on that's not ... air? I don't think there is.

How

about

that Lone Ranger read? I'm looking through his activity right now and it looks like the only thing he's guilty of is scum reading GC. Post 521, Post 522, Post 559, Post 654, and Post 775 are the best summaries there. The best response GC seems to muster is "Slander!" and something about shifting burden of proof. There's a distinct lack of proof of how Ranger is being dishonest and how the argument is bad and everything GC says in response is either a strawman or a short, glib dismissal. A lot like how he's treating Anti, and we already know our alignment. I suspect with similar treatments come similar alignments.

You're asking how Lone Ranger and Green Crayons are different, Titus?

When Lone Ranger tells you to go back and read the thread, there's actually something

there

to read.

Now he's acting like the conversation is over and we should just draw the line in the sand right now and see how it falls out. Oh, good. Let's do that then. I think GC is overconfident in how much he has us baffled with bullshit.

[Kaboose]

I can't tell if you're posting with hubris or if you're just completely convinced everything you say is always right.

[Heartless]

o.O

Neither.