Mini 1643: World of Mafiacraft (End)

[bankaikiller]

Wait did bankai mention classes?
My class has not been mentioned at all...

Also racial traits are ment to not be some OP shit since everyone has one.

I just mentioned abilities.

I'm going to race call now. I'm a dark elf, with the shadowmeld ability, I can pick a color for my votes to be high lighted in. Has a two day cool down

What do you think is the benefit to town with you revealing this information?

So, you didn't think there was any benefit to town, but just did it because you couldn't think of a reason not to?

If you need me to tell you who you outed... then that information will be useless to you.

Revealing at least gave town something, and for point #2 I'll simply ignore, because I'm not scum, and therefore couldn't out anyone, nor has anyone else revealed as much info as I have currently

[Xombie]

What do I have to lose by revealing?

If you're scum, nothing.

If you're TOWN, I've already pointed out in two posts to you why it is bad.

I don't even understand the point of my ability.. for cosmetic effect? and I'll reveal anything about me even if it's not much, to prove that I'm town.

It doesn't prove that you're town. We all chose our races previous to being given our roles.

Did you not read why it's

not

optimal to share our racials?

Xombie- don't think its either . At this point of the game I see it as a neutral move since it could benefit either side

Nah, I'm not saying eyestott is either more or less town or scum for giving out his own race.
I'm more cautioning against

everyone

outing.

I'm guessing that, like game, each race has its own racial and I think it gives too much information to scum as to who might have which racial.
And maybe even help them make a more informed decision on who to kill if they know

Say some scenario like:

That the only person to chose Orc was Townie A
And that the only person besides Scum A to chose Tauren was Townie B
They look at their own racial for Tauren and determine it's pretty crap compared to leaving an unknown racial out there.
So they kill Townie A.

Not sure if that makes much sense but was the best way I could explain what I was thinking.

And here:

Zombie, I don't understand your stupid ass logic, my intentions are pure town, I take all your negative hostility towards me as a defining scum trait

So if town, you've basically just given away that the nelf racial is fairly crap and they don't have to worry about killing anyone with it. You're giving them information that they may not otherwise have if none of them have selected nelf as their race and helping them make informed decision on who best to kill.

If scum, you're fishing for other people to out themselves despite that it's already been said WHY THIS IS BAD.

And yet

I

have the 'stupid ass logic'?

Maybe your intentions are 'pure town' but what you're DOING is DETRIMENTAL to town.

[Nero Cain]

We need more bandwagons.

I agree. more ABR votes.

1. Where is your avatar from and why did you choose it?

2. Where is your user name from and why did you choose it?

3. What is your mafia experience?

4. Highest accomplishment or most proud moment for you in a mafia game?

5. Saddest moment for you in a mafia game?

We are in the midst of the game, why are you asking irrelevant questions here?

The ABR bandwagon is terrible. "hes scummy because he votes T3", yeah because scum are going to have the balls to do that.

How do you know he's ball-less?

I mean there's absolutely zero good reason (for town) to try and get a vig. TBQF, his singlemindlessness is antitown and even if he's town I wouldn't care.

[Xombie]

... Wow.

[elusive]

This is still a thing. I could think of other questions too. Obviously, scum need not apply.

Oh, these are more questions

all for town

and hopefully acryon approves:
1. Where is your avatar from and why did you choose it?

2. Where is your user name from and why did you choose it?

3. What is your mafia experience?

4. Highest accomplishment or most proud moment for you in a mafia game?

5. Saddest moment for you in a mafia game?

[elusive]

Actually, Nero you and Rampage are both ignoring that it's a 50/50 option of vig OR OR OR OR jailer. Having thought about it, jailer is actually the best kind of two roles in one combo. So, yeah discuss that.

As for the questions, I like to get to know people or I like them to die.

[GGG]

acryion vote bankaikiller

I have a theory about you. My theory is as follows.

You have two possible positions in this game. You are either a

very

controlling person, someone who feels like a natural leader enough to direct townies. This has an obvious drawback of seeming like you're leading the townies to where you want them, as in to herd the sheep before the slaughter. However, this could just be you as a player, and could be attributed to harmless confidence.

However:

You make very coy statements like:

Perhaps, best way to find out is with a vote.

This indicates to me that you're attempting to arouse curiosity en masse, appealing to our natural inability to resist things that are curious. You really are trying to lead us, to get us in a position where you scum can kill us. But why? If you really are scum, you'll be blown the minute bankai dies and is a townie. If you're trying to pry information out of him, you'll still look bad when he dies innocently. That, or you are framing one of your own to win our trust.

So my analysis says:
Probability of being a townie and trying to cover your ass: ~15%
Probability of being a townie and just being over confident or controlling: ~10%
Probability of you being a scum to lead us into killing an innocent: ~30%
Probability of you framing your own to win our trust: ~30%
Margin of Error: ~15%

Unless I am missing some alternative situations, I think you there is a ~60% chance you are scum, and ~40% chance you aren't.

This is scummy.

Why would we vote out Albert if his strong push on bankai is wrong.

[kiwieagle]

Lol.

Bankai if for some ungodly reason you are not lynched today you better not be a pussy and NK me.

????? How can I NK you? And what More analyzing do you expect, it's pretty much self explanatory coming from you. Lol

See

this

seems so forced

????? How can I NK you?

Gee I don't know, I just called you scum.
Even if you are town (hint: no) why would you say "???? How can I NK you?"
The appropriate response would be to defend yourself or call me scum for X Y Z.
Not pretend you don't know scum has a NK.

Also I refuse to answer those questions.
Heres a tip.
They only serve to distract and are pointless.

[bankaikiller]

This is still a thing. I could think of other questions too. Obviously, scum need not apply.

Oh, these are more questions

all for town

and hopefully acryon approves:
1. Where is your avatar from and why did you choose it?

2. Where is your user name from and why did you choose it?

3. What is your mafia experience?

4. Highest accomplishment or most proud moment for you in a mafia game?

5. Saddest moment for you in a mafia game?

Seems pro town so I will fill it out in a bit

[GGG]

House and Fuzzykins, questions for you are waiting. Whenever you have a time.

bankai, #236 makes me worry a little if you were a town pr or rolled gear.

Ozgin, 60\40 is basically "null leaning scum" which isn't a strong read. Any other reads? That psychological profiling tho...I will refrain from commenting.

Oh and I went from Townsperson to Goon which is horrifying. How do I get to choose my own title or is that like a 1000 posts later?

TroubledTownie, hi. Don't be troubled, drink some apple juice. Or try some Kiwi.

Oh, these are more questions

all for town

and hopefully acryon approves:
1. Where is your avatar from and why did you choose it?

2. Where is your user name from and why did you choose it?

3. What is your mafia experience?

4. Highest accomplishment or most proud moment for you in a mafia game?

5. Saddest moment for you in a mafia game?

Dont like elusive color or his distracting from the task at hand

[Nero Cain]

Why are you asking them NOW? Like my point is that if you wanted to get to know ppl you could have asked those same questions early game. But we are now getting into the thick of the game so I feel like you asking some questions that have nothing to do with the game is sort of a derailment.

[elusive]

Vote: Kiwieagle

GGG, that's so harsh tho. Like you're hurting my feelings. Stop being so girly.

Nero, I usually ask them earlier. I tried a more game related question (Who would you vig shot right now) and acryon shut it down. So back to basics until I can think of other ones.

[eyestott]

This is still a thing. I could think of other questions too. Obviously, scum need not apply.

Oh, these are more questions

all for town

and hopefully acryon approves:
1. Where is your avatar from and why did you choose it?

2. Where is your user name from and why did you choose it?

3. What is your mafia experience?

4. Highest accomplishment or most proud moment for you in a mafia game?

5. Saddest moment for you in a mafia game?

1: I am modding a game offsite where the mafia can kill someone and steal their ability, and have it for the rest of the game. the concept is based off sylar. (I actually desperately need 2 replacements)
2: phonetally, eyestott is to do with my name
3: 4 completed games here, 2 offsite, and 100s of RL games.
4: surviving to 5p lylo in my first game here, as a newb scum in a team where the other scum kept replacing out, and i didnt communicate with them at all until N3. I was up against a town of Belisarius, Mastin, Antihero, and Malakittens, so i think i did pretty good, considering.
5: I chose wrong as a conf.town in 5p LYLO. that sucked.

Do you have any actual useful questions?

[bankaikiller]

Lol.

Bankai if for some ungodly reason you are not lynched today you better not be a pussy and NK me.

????? How can I NK you? And what More analyzing do you expect, it's pretty much self explanatory coming from you. Lol

See

this

seems so forced

????? How can I NK you?

Gee I don't know, I just called you scum.
Even if you are town (hint: no) why would you say "???? How can I NK you?"
The appropriate response would be to defend yourself or call me scum for X Y Z.
Not pretend you don't know scum has a NK.

Also I refuse to answer those questions.
Heres a tip.
They only serve to distract and are pointless.

I don't need to state the obvious through that one track, thick, delusional skull of yours. I'm town so how could I NK you.. for the last time..

[Ozgin]

Stop it, guys. This is clearly town vs. town. Lock your votes on Ozgen and let's get our 4 points.

Well, I suppose it would be a faux pas to claim myself as a "townie" and say how "innocent I am, please don't hurt me!"

But I think it's in order for me to at least assert my innocence before I go on.

Furthermore, when I die and am revealed as a townie, I really hope people catch on to you quickly and lynch you. Besides, I think my analysis on you was pretty spot on. Why would I bother to do any of that if I were scum? Why not just say "I vote ABR because I think it's obvious," and move on?

And why am I so methodical? So specific?

Simple. I'm a towny who, if people want to kill me, attracts the attention of scum. Scum hate people who can figure other people out. The pool of people who attack me specifically will either be one of two things (yes I know I use the duality thematic often): A scum who wants me out or a townie who was mistaken. The townies know who they are, and it helps them identify the scum.

Simple, easy breezy logic.


Unless...
The mafia kill me at night. Then I'm boned. The only real flaw in my plan, and I'm opening my Kimono to you for it.

Now then, let me open my Kimono further:

I am a Night Elf Rogue with the ability Shadowmeld. I can change the colour of my votes and vote text (Obviously, considering my name in the last patch notes; check back ) once every two days.

Whether or not you believe me is fine, but consider this: I'm probably a target of the scum for my over-analyzing of situations. Therefore, I expect to be targeted early, and that's fine. I'm assuming that, once you all realize that I'm a regular old townie with no ability other than to "purtify" my name in logs, then you'll hopefully help keep me away from the scum and simultaneously use me and the events that will transpire in the next few days as a tool to win.

Man, I feel like I have to sell myself, like some kind of town prostitute.

_{(If you're wondering, I charge a token per hour).}

This is scummy.

Why would we vote out Albert if his strong push on bankai is wrong.

If his push on Bankai is wrong, then he'll most likely have done it to eliminate another townie. If he's right, I'll apologize for doubting his ability to target a scum, but still consider that this is all a ploy; sacrifice one, get on good terms with everyone, and sneak around trooping as a 'hero'.

[kiwieagle]

Jesus and now the other new guy is emotionally attached to his beloved questions.

[Nero Cain]

she's a chick

[TroubledTownie]

Ozgin, it was clear you were a night elf with shadowmeld, but why reveal your class?

[elusive]

^

[Ozgin]

Ozgin, 60\40 is basically "null leaning scum" which isn't a strong read. Any other reads? That psychological profiling tho...I will refrain from commenting.

Yeah, it's low odds. But it's the best I can do considering we're early game. It's not like I have buckets of statistics at my disposal here, I don't

know

any of you because this is my first mafia onsite. All of my mafias offsite (roughly 9 or 10, "large theme" would be the considered term) were with people who I knew in a chat room and a game for which the forums belonged.

[GGG]

@oz
A townie is only slightly more likely to push scum than scum is. If you want to lynch everyone who is wrong scum will win quickly.

However,

Elusive is the most scummy right now
VOTE: elusive

[Ozgin]

Ozgin, it was clear you were a night elf with shadowmeld, but why reveal your class?

^

Opening my Kimono. Literally exposing myself to you all as much as I can. I have great trust in you all, so trust in me.

[Ozgin]

@oz
A townie is only slightly more likely to push scum than scum is. If you want to lynch everyone who is wrong scum will win quickly.

However,

Elusive is the most scummy right now
VOTE: elusive

But to push this hard? And this soon? I dunno, it's all shady to me.

I also have my reasons for thinking elusive is a towny, but that's something else, and would require another semi-tl;dr analysis.

[kiwieagle]

Ozgin look none of us have any clue what classes do (or at least I don't) so this "trust" bull shit is a terrible reason to do it.

If anything it makes you look like scum.

I have great trust in you all, so trust in me.

Oh look who did the same.

I'll reveal anything about me even if it's not much, to prove that I'm town.

Maybe I did not get the memo that stated "if you claim your class and role you get insta town credz."

[elusive]

1: I am modding a game offsite where the mafia can kill someone and steal their ability, and have it for the rest of the game. the concept is based off

Do you have any actual useful questions?

eystott, what level of posting is needed? I only had the past three days off due to the blizzard so tomorrow its back to regular programming and a handful of posts\catch up in the eveningish or weekend. I could replace, is that okay with the rules and Mod stuff on here? You can PM me.

As for the second part, you're breaking my heart. I'll try very hard to come up with useful questions such as:

1. What do you think of Rampage and his detractors (House, Nero, Fuzzy)
2. Who are the people you think need to post more to get a solid read on?

Idk, what are some examples of really good questions?