Open 583: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[Heartless]

I have just read my role PM and was reminded of something.

If I hide behind someone and I don't die...they are confirmed town. I'm such a fucking idiot.

I hid behind Killa last night. Killa is conf town.

PEdit - I chose Killa because I felt good they were town but not town enough that they would get killed and thus we would both die.

if you forgot hiding behind scum kills you, why would you thinking killa was town influence your decision in any way?

[vettrock]

Unless we are in the 5%, one of copper and BBT is scum. If we are in the 5%, there is another town PR out there. I am leaning towards BBT being the scum rather than copper, however consider this:

If we lynch copper and he is telling the truth and is vengful, he can shoot BBT, who is then most probably scum. If copper flips scum, BBT can hide behind someone, and that would make him, killa and who ever he hides behind confirmed town. Either way, we have one scum dead.

The problem with copper's vengful power role is it is only really useful if we lynch him. Thoughts?

[copper223]

I would be fine with it if I knew 100% that it is not you.

[Wickedestjr]

Catching up right now.

And, yeah. Wagon on me, scummy-as-hell.

All the players on it basically are saying "Oh, yeah, mastin's scum", while giving each other as my partners...and not pausing to join anyway.

Not all scum, obviously, but absolute MINIMUM of two.

This is an interesting thing for you to say given Organic Chemistry, the game where your bandwagon was all town. Why do you think this bandwagon is different?

[Wickedestjr]

Wicked, 1202 – nice summary. But, you should read the recent posts too! After doing so
(1) Do you STILL think that Vettrock is town?
(2) What do you think about Coppers posts I mentioned in this post?
(3) Also, read my case about Mastin too.
(4) As for your next post: why do you think a massclaim would be useful?

(1) Yes
(2) The setup point looks valid. I disagree with your eyestott point.
(3) Your last three points are good. I think your first point is just a mastin tell rather than a scum tell.
(Bonus) Why are you asking me for my thoughts on your points against copper and mastin? I already scum read them.
(4) I like to have mass claim occur a day before lylo, because I believe that can help prevent counter claims. I'm not too concerned about scum killing power roles because the benefits (possibly clearing people and breaking the setup apart) outweigh the disadvantages (the power roles might only have one night left to use their actions anyway) - we sort of have to put all our information on the table to prevent another mis-lynch.

[Wickedestjr]

Vengeful doesn't seem a great fake-claim for scum to make.

I disagree with this. He was getting votes at the time of his claim. Now, he has lived to day 2 (because his claim made him a terrible day 1 lynch) and, at the time of this post, I don't think anyone was voting him. If he's scum, seems like the claim worked for him.

[Wickedestjr]

For the record, I noticed vettrock's breadcrumbs as well. This was the basis for my strong town read on him - I cannot envision any clear scenario where he's faking this claim.

[mastin2]

Also, I claim Town Hider.

Yeah, this is bullshit, especially given you didn't claim a N1 target.

[mastin2]

I hid behind Killa last night. Killa is conf town.

Okay, to be fair, you did here, butstill, why did the thought of using your hide as an investigate not occur until this post, AFTER you had already done the hide?

When using it as an investigate (with a 'crumb) is standard hider play?

(That said, fully believe killa's town, just not you in claiming killa's town.)

[copper223]

Sure, just gambling my life as scum on the chance that there is no vig. with 2 or 3 votes on me D1 and while reassessing Dave the main wagon of the day and 1 of those votes was such good scumplay.

[mastin2]

I'm a creature of change. Nevermind. BBT's town. I can buy the derp behind the hide, and given this...

VOTE: BBT

...is probably not a bus, BBT is looking much better.

...Okay, so second-guessing my revision, so not "BBT is town", so much as "BBT can be town". In other words, I'm not sure BBT's town, but I no longer think BBT's scum.

Copper, however, remains scum to me.

[Wickedestjr]

Anen, I like your post w.r.t. copper.

That is a misrep worthy of a lynch, I said I missed part of the setup where it says only 7 roles are determined and the rest is filled in, I never said I did not read it,

Really? You seemed to be doing the math correctly on day 1...

[mastin2]

Scum can't have a hider alive to have the chance of confirming another person as town.
Watch my wagon.
PEdit - I don't give a fuck about set-up.
Regardless of claims, you and Vettrock are fucking scummy.

Fuck my second-guess of calling BBT town, I'm liking his posting so much here that I'm calling him town for now and don't give a damn if it's wrong; I don't support a lynch on him today.

[Wickedestjr]

Don't have time to finish catching up right now, but I will try tomorrow night.

At this point, I'm actually growing more confident in my beast/copper/Tean guess. From the five/six pages I read, copper looks slightly worse, mastin actually looks a little better (one or two posts gave me town vibes, can specify upon request later), and Anen is upgraded to a PROB TOWN read. Not sure who the SK is anymore... could be mastin...

[mastin2]

This is an interesting thing for you to say given Organic Chemistry, the game where your bandwagon was all town. Why do you think this bandwagon is different?

Because I'm mastin and my ego can't fit in the entirety of the internet.

(But seriously, because Organic Chemistry was the exception proving the rule: when I am town, damn right any attempt to lynch me is gonna be scumdriven. Organic Chemistry had odd circumstances surrounding it, which are absent from this game. There, players knew me but I had just changed my style. Here, most do not, thus, this is their first full introduction to me. Thus, scum're going to think, "Hah, don't know why she's held to be so high and mighty, she looks awfully mislynchable here", and hop on...only to later realize it's a trap. )

[copper223]

Anen, I like your post w.r.t. copper.

That is a misrep worthy of a lynch, I said I missed part of the setup where it says only 7 roles are determined and the rest is filled in, I never said I did not read it,

Really? You seemed to be doing the math correctly on day 1...

I did not connect the dots when thinking of the whole setup and I forgot about it, there is no reason for me to write that post about the T's and how there where 13 players so we could be at 5,6 or 7 like I did if it was not an honest mistake, regardless of my alignment, in fact I'm far more likely to go back and check as scum but that's unprovable.

[mastin2]

At this point, I'm actually growing more confident in my beast/copper/Tean guess.

Could buy that, actually.

[mastin2]

Umm...hello, guys?

[Heartless]

why are we fiddle fucking around on the massclaim?

[Heartless]

like.... we're sitting here with a game waiting to be broken and everyone's shitting out all ass cheeks acting like there's nothing to do

LET'S
GOOOOO
ALLLLLREADYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[killapenwin]

VT.

[Jackal711]

Prodding

beastcharizard

[beastcharizard]

VT

I was 11 minutes too slow to avoid a prod. I was doing my taxes.

popcorn: cooper

[Heartless]

well i hope you're paying more attention to your taxes than you are to this game b/c if not, the irs is going to shove a nightstick up your ass

[beastcharizard]

Well, at this point in time I want to be CPA in the future so I kind of have to know taxes well.