Open 583: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Killa.

[Titus]

I have just read my role PM and was reminded of something.

If I hide behind someone and I don't die...they are confirmed town. I'm such a fucking idiot.

I hid behind Killa last night. Killa is conf town.

Found it.

If BBT is town, Killa is town.

If Killa is scum, BBT is scum.

If BBT is scum, Killa can be town.

If BBT is town, Killa was not targeted for the nightkill.

The above supposes BBT was not in jail night 1.

[Titus]

So who did Dodgy jail?

[Heartless]

A haiku with love:

I don't like penguins.
Go back to Antarctica.

Vote: killapenwin

The poem spells out Vig if you rearrange the letters.

vig crumb makes sense from an sk

doesn't do much for me

[Heartless]

So who did Dodgy jail?

if i had to guess, probably copper. dodgy thought that copper would be prime target for a scum kill and copper doesn't have an action to roleblock. ideal jailkeep.

[Titus]

So Tean realizes that Cooper is likely jailbait and inadvertently shoots the jailkeeper.

Then scum run up the vengeful?

Who is Cooper scumreading? Whatever it is, it's likely wrong.

[Heartless]

I'm starting with Titus because that's the role claim with evidence for it (the claimed dodgy kill).

The claimed specials are: vettrock, BBT, copper, and Titus.

If there's actually an even number of T's, Titus is confirmed town. In that scenario, one of the other special claims OR all three of the other special claims are lying. An odd number of T's would indicate that Titus may or may not be lying; there's the possibility of failed kills.

[Heartless]

Who is Cooper scumreading? Whatever it is, it's likely wrong.

This thought occurred to me to, but this is kind of a special case where the lynch pool is substantially narrowed. Because of the vanishingly small probability of all the special claims telling the truth, one of vettrock, BBT, and/or copper are practically confirmed scum. It wouldn't be a stretch for scum-BBT to want to squeeze in a mislynch on town-copper before he goes.

[Titus]

Odd number of vt rolls means three kills attempted.
Even means two.

We have one VT right now as things stand. Given the PR claims, Scum or an SK would have shot Cooper as there's no other method of protection.

If that happened, all the PRs can be telling the truth.


If Dodgy did not jail Cooper, then we have at least one lying PR or mafia blocked the serial killer with their joat or overlapping kills.

[Titus]

Who is Cooper scumreading? Whatever it is, it's likely wrong.

This thought occurred to me to, but this is kind of a special case where the lynch pool is substantially narrowed. Because of the vanishingly small probability of all the special claims telling the truth, one of vettrock, BBT, and/or copper are practically confirmed scum. It wouldn't be a stretch for scum-BBT to want to squeeze in a mislynch on town-copper before he goes.

Not if Cooper was going to shoot scum.

[Heartless]

Actually, Titus should

not

be today's lynch. If she's lying, it will become obvious as the other special claims start flipping. If she's really mafia fakeclaiming an extra kill, it's a foolish move and she'll probably be dealt with by someone who really does have a kill.

Who is Cooper scumreading? Whatever it is, it's likely wrong.

This thought occurred to me to, but this is kind of a special case where the lynch pool is substantially narrowed. Because of the vanishingly small probability of all the special claims telling the truth, one of vettrock, BBT, and/or copper are practically confirmed scum. It wouldn't be a stretch for scum-BBT to want to squeeze in a mislynch on town-copper before he goes.

Not if Cooper was going to shoot scum.

By all indications, copper was intending to shoot BBT.

[Titus]

So why would BBT, as scum, want to lynch Cooper if his goal is to live?

[Titus]

Lynching Cooper to shoot BBT may be the best play.

What tracker results do we have?

[Heartless]

So why would BBT, as scum, want to lynch Cooper if his goal is to live?

Now that the massclaim has occurred, his days are numbered anyway if he's scum. Taking down town with him would be optimal scum play.

Also, if you look at the recent posting, BBT's made some moves to try to pull out of the 1v1.

See especially

the last post I spoiler below:

Spoiler:

He's speaking to me Anen.

He's doing really well selling that he is actually vengeful. I'm beginning to doubt myself.

I'll lynch you happily now.

Thanks for that.

You know I'm town Copper. I can see it in your posts.

FU.

Get lynched.

Do it.

Self-hammer and shoot me you fucking idiot.

Banned for nailing scum?

Nah, that's town's job.

Why is Vettrock getting a free pass again?

[Heartless]

[float=][/float]

What tracker results do we have?

vettrock claims to have held onto his shot.

[Titus]

Ewww...why?

[Heartless]

Well, he wasn't exactly

claimed

at the end of Day 1. But copper and I and several others picked up on some fairly heavy-handed crumbs, so he wasn't exactly being subtle about it.

As a side note, I think vettrock's claim is far and away the most believable of the special claims. I would be extremely impressed at the foresight, execution, and balls it would take if vettrock planted those.

[Heartless]

Ewww...why?

Copper, I have my reasons and would like for vet to answer

I did not track last night, I thought I would be better tonight when there is less to pick from. Likely not the best choice In hindsight.

[Titus]

If his crumbs were not subtle, then why wouldn't he use his ability N1 so we could get results if scum killed him?

[Heartless]

If I had to guess, a little bit of a lack of self-awareness.

[Heartless]

I still think BBT is full of it.
VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

[beastcharizard]

What if we lynch Vettrock and see the flip. Then if it is scum all the PRs could be telling the truth but if it is town then Titus shoots someone and if Cooper is alive we lynch him since he is either scum or vengeful where he can shot someone scummy.

An idea would be to have BBT hide behind Me or Heartless. I want to be cleared and I think Heartless is scum so they are both good plays. It also makes scum guess who to shoot if BBT is actually a Hider.

Titus shoots someone of their own choosing who isn't me or Heartless or Copper slot.

Actually what if BBT hides behind Copper slot? If just BBT ends up dead then copper is scum. If just Copper is dead then BBT is lying. If both are dead then it is the same thing as what a lynch today would have done. If they are both alive then copper should be confirmed town. We would have to no lynch to make sure we aren't walking right into LYLO or MYLO though from my quick math. Titus could shoot anyone they wanted and Vettrock should someone random.

Opinions?

[Titus]

What's to stop scum from shooting cooper town?

[beastcharizard]

Nothing which is why I said we no lynch as to make them waste a kill. It would also narrow down the possible lynch tomorrow to you and vettrock if they did that meaning we would have atleast a 50/50 shot at hitting scum.

[Heartless]

Then if it is scum all the PRs could be telling the truth but if it is town then Titus shoots someone

NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE

Should we mislynch today, Titus should

not

shoot tonight because if she misfires it's a possible scum win. This holds true regardless of if she's an SK or vig.