Mini 1643: World of Mafiacraft (End)

[TroubledTownie]

I don't think him saying that he's not being emotional but getting emotional is a scumtell.

I agree, but that's not why I think he's scummy now is it?

[TroubledTownie]

For Nero:

Spoiler: Kiwi ISO

Cant really post something good and long right now but
Elusive I still can't understand your posts on me.
Where the fuck have I had an emotional outburst similar to bankais?
Please quote.
How the fuck have I sheeped ABR the whole game?
The only time I agreed with him was with bankai and even when he backed down I continued.
How the fuck have I been coasting?
Check my ISO and please quote.

Also anyone else curios why she's gone from short posts to god damn essays after people started voting for her?
And she calls me defensive ...

Ozgin, its a couple of things about him. I'm phone posting and will do a ISO case to tonight or whenever I can. Here's a quick summary to the best of my memory:
1. Bankai falls apart and kiwi eggs him on and gloats that Kiwi as scum could pull off an emotional gambit but bankai can't.
2. Kiwi claims he will decimate scum.
3. I put a vote on kiwi because of the gloat and something about the tone of that post felt smug, bankai had already erupted and kiwi chose him as a scum target after the fact. Also when someone boasts like that but doesn't pull through it pings me hard since what scum is is to talk without actual actions.
4. Kiwis reactions to my one single vote were ridiculously bad. Like I don't feel much pressure right now and I might be lynched toDay. Emotions are all steady, I've been tunneled pretty hard as town by town and scum so were still in the minor leagues.
5. Kiwi specifically mentions that he wasn't going to get emotional and gets really really emotional. For no reason which is why I called drama or theatrics. He just told a guy he's good at fake out frame then he does some totally crazy response to soft poke.
6. I refuse to answer his questions BC they are make a case on him and a parrot of my own questions. The answers he gave as I stated don't give any reads on his scum. I'm used to people making cases, if this is not the case in this game ya'll better lynch me quick because a person without cases...what is this Town of Salem?
7. Kiwi continues to get heated without reason. I may have poked hard but only after being called dumb ass scum which was part of the ongoing OMGUS. Oh and retard fight I didn't find that to be complimentary to me or bankai? Unclear who the second was.
8. His reaction to my deciding not to make a case, mostly because I was having technical issues makes him go off even more. Like patience.
9. His entire case on me is not answering questions and then going from small tiny posts to large ones. How does that make sense? What scum mindset can you figure out from those?

So therefore scummy acting scummy and petulant.

Oh and GGG, same thing for you. You find questions scummy, explain why. Then the post of yours that Ozgin quotes actually means that you can build a case on kiwi who believes that post lengths must conform or its scummy. Or at least take down his logic because thats what town does find areas where logic doesn't follow or where actions and words don't match up.

Rampage, what are you offering in return? The ability to spin straw into gold?

Yep, not voting elusive. That

is

a pretty convincing kiwi case however.

Let's see where this goes.

VOTE: kiwieagle

1. Bankai falls apart and kiwi eggs him on and gloats that Kiwi as scum could pull off an emotional gambit but bankai can't.

Don't see how this is scummy. Its the truth.

2. Kiwi claims he will decimate scum.

I am, son. This sounds like you scared.

3. I put a vote on kiwi because of the gloat and something about the tone of that post felt smug, bankai had already erupted and kiwi chose him as a scum target after the fact. Also when someone boasts like that but doesn't pull through it pings me hard since what scum is is to talk without actual actions.

This is just stupid. Check any of my games. I gloat because I find it funny, and its a null point anyway because I AM destroying scum like you.

4. Kiwis reactions to my one single vote were ridiculously bad. Like I don't feel much pressure right now and I might be lynched toDay. Emotions are all steady, I've been tunneled pretty hard as town by town and scum so were still in the minor leagues.

My reaction was to ask you explain your vote.
Which you haven't done.
Even these points are just confusing or simply wrong/bad.
Last time I checked, by page 8 or w/e RVS is not continuing so any votes must have a good reason.

5. Kiwi specifically mentions that he wasn't going to get emotional and gets really really emotional. For no reason which is why I called drama or theatrics. He just told a guy he's good at fake out frame then he does some totally crazy response to soft poke.

I also dont understand this. What the fuck is fake out frame?
How is asking for REASONS a totally crazy response?
Also, I have never gotten emotional. Heck, if you think WRITING like THIS is emotional you are wrong because I always write like THIS. I don't see why you continue to repeat the emotional shit because its obviously false.

6. I refuse to answer his questions BC they are make a case on him and a parrot of my own questions. The answers he gave as I stated don't give any reads on his scum. I'm used to people making cases, if this is not the case in this game ya'll better lynch me quick because a person without cases...what is this Town of Salem?

What do you mean I don't give reads? I EXPLICITLY stated my reads. You can even find a LIST.
The reason you don't answer my questions are because you DONT have answers. Which is scummy. If you are going to vote me and then CLAIM I am coasting and CLAIM I am being "emotional" (Maybe aggresive... which is my personality anyway) you better find some quotes or give legitimate answers.

7. Kiwi continues to get heated without reason. I may have poked hard but only after being called dumb ass scum which was part of the ongoing OMGUS. Oh and retard fight I didn't find that to be complimentary to me or bankai? Unclear who the second was.

Uhh ok so you are repeating the same stuff. I think this is going to be the third time I state that being "heated" is just how I play. Look at my previous games.

8. His reaction to my deciding not to make a case, mostly because I was having technical issues makes him go off even more. Like patience.

This is COMPLETE bullshit. You decide to mention "technical issues" until now. Also, you have made TWO god damn essays where you had the chance to answer MY questions and you didn't. Technical, my ass.

9. His entire case on me is not answering questions and then going from small tiny posts to large ones. How does that make sense? What scum mindset can you figure out from those?

My entire case is that scum lie, you lied. Scum avoid questions that may leave them vulnerable, you avoid questions. Scum invent cases with half-assed points, this post proves that. Scum change behavior, you went from question asker to defensive fluff poster in a matter of seconds.



Also, since acryon decided to support this complete bollocks case he better answer the damn questions I asked her.
Actually, you better build a DAMN good case explaining where elusive is right and I am wrong.
I DARE you to quote the time I coasted, the time I went into theatrics, all the times I sheeped ABR, the time I went crazy from soft-poke, and the time I failed to answer a question fully.

Acryon you prick you better not cop out right now

Youd be the second fool who refuses to answer me

Also I am telling you thats how I play its not emotional... just look how I argumented with bankai...


Pedit
"Waiting for a claim"
HAHAHAHA

Damn.

Okay.

Elusive's final posts look like generic flailing I would expect from both town and scum.
Don't see it as anything I should be convinced by.

BUT.

Acryon really fucked up with his defense of Elusive.
And that sucks because he can't defend himself.
But heres how I see it.

IF
Elusive is town.
Then Acyron is complete fucking scum.
And I am baffled Elusive thought he was town if she really is town
(oh look another reason why I dont think she is town).

Acyron looks like a scum who was finding an excuse to defend the townie being lynched to get them mad town credz and heres why

Ozgin, its a couple of things about him. I'm phone posting and will do a ISO case to tonight or whenever I can. Here's a quick summary to the best of my memory:
1. Bankai falls apart and kiwi eggs him on and gloats that Kiwi as scum could pull off an emotional gambit but bankai can't.
2. Kiwi claims he will decimate scum.
3. I put a vote on kiwi because of the gloat and something about the tone of that post felt smug, bankai had already erupted and kiwi chose him as a scum target after the fact. Also when someone boasts like that but doesn't pull through it pings me hard since what scum is is to talk without actual actions.
4. Kiwis reactions to my one single vote were ridiculously bad. Like I don't feel much pressure right now and I might be lynched toDay. Emotions are all steady, I've been tunneled pretty hard as town by town and scum so were still in the minor leagues.
5. Kiwi specifically mentions that he wasn't going to get emotional and gets really really emotional. For no reason which is why I called drama or theatrics. He just told a guy he's good at fake out frame then he does some totally crazy response to soft poke.
6. I refuse to answer his questions BC they are make a case on him and a parrot of my own questions. The answers he gave as I stated don't give any reads on his scum. I'm used to people making cases, if this is not the case in this game ya'll better lynch me quick because a person without cases...what is this Town of Salem?
7. Kiwi continues to get heated without reason. I may have poked hard but only after being called dumb ass scum which was part of the ongoing OMGUS. Oh and retard fight I didn't find that to be complimentary to me or bankai? Unclear who the second was.
8. His reaction to my deciding not to make a case, mostly because I was having technical issues makes him go off even more. Like patience.
9. His entire case on me is not answering questions and then going from small tiny posts to large ones. How does that make sense? What scum mindset can you figure out from those?

So therefore scummy acting scummy and petulant.

Oh and GGG, same thing for you. You find questions scummy, explain why. Then the post of yours that Ozgin quotes actually means that you can build a case on kiwi who believes that post lengths must conform or its scummy. Or at least take down his logic because thats what town does find areas where logic doesn't follow or where actions and words don't match up.

Rampage, what are you offering in return? The ability to spin straw into gold?

Yep, not voting elusive. That

is

a pretty convincing kiwi case however.

Let's see where this goes.

VOTE: kiwieagle

C'mon really?
How the fuck is that a convincing case?
I don't see how that could convince anyone.
Oh boo hoo I got emotional. Its part of how I play.
How does that make me scum?

I mean I personally don't believe Elusive was right on ANYTHING but of all things that suddenly convinced you? Just when she was going to get lynched?
Talk about scum taking advantage.

And thats why I can understand an Acyron lynch but it depends on if Elusive is town.
Which after all the flat-out bad attacks shes done makes it a BIG if.

[Nero Cain]

Still not convinced bro. Do you feel like Elusive's case was strong? Explain to me in a tl;dr fashion why YOU are voting him.

[kiwieagle]

Heres my final thoughts on this "issue"



What the fuck does emotional even mean? What does it mean to play emotionally?

Doesn't everyone play emotionally in their own way?


Doesn't Nero get frustrated here?

ZOMG I in a road to rome game

Whats going on here?

Where the fuck have I had an emotional outburst similar to bankais?

When you start swearing, insulting, and using

BIG BOLD UPPERCASE THINGIES

, that comes across as emotional.

Also anyone else curios why she's gone from short posts to god damn essays after people started voting for her?
And she calls me defensive ...

You know who else went from short posts to "god damn essays"? You did.

But that's a ridiculous bit of dirt to try and throw at somebody. Early in the game, there's not enough information out there for long posts. You're starting to look more and more like bankai, whose play you criticized and claimed you could pull off better.

Let's keep in mind we don't get to pick which role is purchased in the tier, it's random. We probably

won't

get cop if we buy Tier 1.

Buy: Tier 3

elusive, the point is that this early in the game, scum don't have to

massively

shift their gameplay.

Elusive. What do you think of TT claiming that I'm active lurking when I'm obv not?

Lol, just look at your ISO.

173 is your vote on ABR, barely enough reason to make it more than a random vote.
451 you were asked about your reads on other players, you post a little case against ABR and throw in some other names superficially.

Pretty much every other post(all 100 of them) is discussion of tiers, other game mechanics, jokes, off-topic, mindless pushing of the ABR train, etc etc etc. Everything

except

scum hunting.

I have only used bold in one fucking post?!?!!?

PEDIT

I EVEN SAY THATS HOW I PLAY.
I dont CARE if its emotional or not.
I personally dont think I play "emotionally".
But in the "Boohoo I got emotional" part you love to quote I WAS RESTATING WHAT ELUSIVE SAID ANYWAY. I never said I play emotionally I said she thinks I am playing emotionally woop di fucking do thats how I play

Also I am telling you thats how I play its not emotional... just look how I argumented with bankai...

Look here. The point I am making is that I don't have emotional outbursts. BECAUSE THIS IS HOW I PLAY CONSISTENTLY.

Uhh ok so you are repeating the same stuff. I think this is going to be the third time I state that being "heated" is just how I play. Look at my previous games.

Where do I deny that I play emotionally?

CLAIM I am being "emotional" (Maybe aggresive... which is my personality anyway) you better find some quotes or give legitimate answers.

I ACCEPT WHAT SHE THINKS IS EMOTIONAL IS MY PERSONALITY ANYWAY.

Also, I have never gotten emotional. Heck, if you think WRITING like THIS is emotional you are wrong because I always write like THIS. I don't see why you continue to repeat the emotional shit because its obviously false.

Clearly WE HAD DIFFERENT DEFINITONS OF EMOTIONAL. I deny I play to my definition of emotional but sure if she thinks THIS is emotional then w/e I play emotional according to her and not continue to argument a bullshit point.





Your WHOLE case is bollocks.

[TroubledTownie]

I don't think elusive's case was very strong. Not sure on the timing with the earlier wagon, it might have been an attempt to divert some heat.

My case:

Kiwi made a big deal about clarifying, multiple times, that he didn't do X(get emotional).
In his response to elusive's case, he used the argument not-X to ridicule elusive's post.
I find that very scummy.

[kiwieagle]

I had already accepted her definition of emotional as my playstyle there is NO contradiction at all.

[kiwieagle]

Fuck this im voting TT

unvote

VOTE: Troubledtownie


jesus christ thanks TT. By reading what I had posted I realize there is no contradiction at all.

[kiwieagle]

People might be confused when reading the quotes but to clarify I was arguing to Elusive's claim that I had a emotional outburst hence why I say things such as

Also I am telling you thats how I play its not emotional... just look how I argumented with bankai...

CLAIM I am being "emotional" (Maybe aggresive... which is my personality anyway) you better find some quotes or give legitimate answers.

Also, I have never gotten emotional. Heck, if you think WRITING like THIS is emotional you are wrong because I always write like THIS. I don't see why you continue to repeat the emotional shit because its obviously false.

[kiwieagle]

TT is trying to argue about my playstyle when saying "emotional" but he uses sources where I am arguing about Elusive's claim I had an emotional outburst when I started arguing with her.


Talk about misrep.

[TroubledTownie]

Heres my final thoughts on this "issue"



What the fuck does emotional even mean? What does it mean to play emotionally?

Doesn't everyone play emotionally in their own way?

Classic self-defense, try to minimize or abstract the issue.

Doesn't Nero get frustrated here?

...

Red herring, it has never been about the show of emotion, but he

continuously

tries to redirect the focus back to that.

Also, trying to compare my instances of single, lower-cased, bolded words for emphasis to his emotional/not-emotional playstyle is a smaller red herring.

Where do I deny that I play emotionally?

Really? Post 485, Post 497, Post 637

Talk about misrep.

No misrepresentation. I quoted you taking both sides of the issue, and your attempts to defend yourself have only made you seem scummier to me.

[TroubledTownie]

EBWOP

Eh, forgot. You didn't 'accept' her definition. You

STATED

very

BOLDY and UPPER-CASEY

that the way you post

ISN'T

emotional, it's just how you play.

To go from a 17.5 on the

I-WASN'T-EMOTIONAL-RICHTER SCALE

to

Oh boo hoo I got emotional. Its part of how I play.
How does that make me scum?

doesn't make sense to me if you're town. Lastly, you keep trying to say you were quoting someone else or those weren't your words. Revisionism. You didn't say anything like

Oh boo hoo, you think I got emotional. That's just how I play.
How does that make me scum?

If you had, I never would have been suspicious of it.

[kiwieagle]

Post 485 and post 497 are obvious misrepresentation because they are in answer to ELUSIVE CLAIMING I HAD AN EMOTIONAL OUTBURST. (As in not playing emotional... then suddenly bursting)

ahh ok so you are repeating the same stuff. I think this is going to be the third time I state that being "heated" is just how I play. Look at my previous games.

Here I refer to my actual play style and ACCEPTING HER POINT.




Your last post just shows how desperate you are because it was an obvious joke.

[kiwieagle]

to last post I refer to Post 637.


Also, I just quoted where I accept it. Don't know why you deny the truth. I denied I was BECAME emotional.

[kiwieagle]

I denied I BECAME emotional^

[TroubledTownie]

Now you're resorting to a semantics argument between 'was emotional' and 'became emotional'? That's just sad.

To everybody else:

Does anybody else think it's scummy for someone to adamantly and repeatedly state X in their own defense, and then later state not-X trying to ridicule someone else?

[kiwieagle]

jesus I could do this all in one post but my stupid cellphone doesn't let me

EBWOP

Eh, forgot. You didn't 'accept' her definition. You

STATED

very

BOLDY and UPPER-CASEY

that the way you post

ISN'T

emotional, it's just how you play.

To go from a 17.5 on the

I-WASN'T-EMOTIONAL-RICHTER SCALE

to

Oh boo hoo I got emotional. Its part of how I play.
How does that make me scum?

doesn't make sense to me if you're town. Lastly, you keep trying to say you were quoting someone else or those weren't your words. Revisionism. You didn't say anything like

Oh boo hoo, you think I got emotional. That's just how I play.
How does that make me scum?

If you had, I never would have been suspicious of it.

I have explicitly stated I was satirizing what she said? Why would you claim I am revising "Oh boo hoo I got emotional." to "Oh boo hoo, you think I got emotional" when thats obviously not true since how can you satirically restate something by adding "you think... etc"?



PEDIT:
Became emotional = emotional outburst

Talk about semantics.
This is an obvious attempt to misrep me by claiming I contradicted myself.

[TroubledTownie]

Another lie.

You said you 'accepted' that definition, and used a partial quote to prove your point... but you never conceded that. You stated it was 'heated', but not emotional.

A few posts later, you

AGAIN

clarified:

Also I am telling you thats how I play

its not emotional

... just look how I argumented with bankai...

[kiwieagle]

Another lie.

You said you 'accepted' that definition, and used a partial quote to prove your point... but you never conceded that. You stated it was 'heated', but not emotional.

A few posts later, you

AGAIN

clarified:

Also I am telling you thats how I play

its not emotional

... just look how I argumented with bankai...

Right. Here I refer to the emotion outburst.
"... just look how I argumented with bankai..."
I am trying to show how this playstyle is consistent and not just an emotional outburst.

Again, trying to misrep.

[kiwieagle]

Does anybody else think it's scummy for someone to adamantly and repeatedly state X in their own defense, and then later state not-X trying to ridicule someone else?

Adamantly and repeatedly.
I mean I just proved you completely wrong and you still use that to convince those who still are confused by the clusterfuck you created?
Desperate.

[TroubledTownie]

jesus I could do this all in one post but my stupid cellphone doesn't let me

I have explicitly stated I was satirizing what she said?

And I have explicitly stated that I don't buy that.

Why would you claim I am revising "Oh boo hoo I got emotional." to "Oh boo hoo, you think I got emotional" when thats obviously not true since how can you satirically restate something by adding "you think... etc"?

Good lord. It's just painfully pathetic that you insult my intelligence when you repeatedly show you can't grasp what I'm saying. I never said you revised your statement. Read it again. Words matter. (Hint: I said the second quote is an example of what it should have said if you were being consistent)

PEDIT:
Became emotional = emotional outburst

Talk about semantics.
This is an obvious attempt to misrep me by claiming I contradicted myself.

I don't even... you sound so much like a politician caught cheating.

It all depends on what the definition of is is...

[kiwieagle]

jesus I could do this all in one post but my stupid cellphone doesn't let me

I have explicitly stated I was satirizing what she said?

And I have explicitly stated that I don't buy that.

Why would you claim I am revising "Oh boo hoo I got emotional." to "Oh boo hoo, you think I got emotional" when thats obviously not true since how can you satirically restate something by adding "you think... etc"?

Good lord. It's just painfully pathetic that you insult my intelligence when you repeatedly show you can't grasp what I'm saying. I never said you revised your statement. Read it again. Words matter. (Hint: I said the second quote is an example of what it should have said if you were being consistent)

PEDIT:
Became emotional = emotional outburst

Talk about semantics.
This is an obvious attempt to misrep me by claiming I contradicted myself.

I don't even... you sound so much like a politician caught cheating.

It all depends on what the definition of is is...

So you don't buy I simply restated her claims?
"Oh boo hooo I got emotional"
When she just wrote like a paragraph of how she claimed I got emotional.
How the fuck is that not me just trying to restate what she just said?
How the fuck does that even relate to consistency what I have said?
I am RESTATING what she said that shouldn't even factor to what I say or have said. EVEN if for some ungodly reason you are not bright enough to understand that I HAD ACCEPTED I PLAY TO HER DEFINITION OF EMOTIONAL LONG BEFORE THAT ANYWAY.

Look:

Uhh ok so you are repeating the same stuff. I think this is going to be the third time I state that being "heated" is just how I play. Look at my previous games.

Uhh ok so you are repeating the same stuff. I think this is going to be the third time I state that being "heated" is just how I play. Look at my previous games

.

Uhh ok so you are repeating the same stuff. I think this is going to be the third time I state that being "heated" is just how I play. Look at my previous games.

Uhh ok so you are repeating the same stuff. I think this is going to be the third time I state that being "heated" is just how I play. Look at my previous games.

Uhh ok so you are repeating the same stuff. I think this is going to be the third time I state that being "heated" is just how I play. Look at my previous games.

Uhh ok so you are repeating the same stuff. I think this is going to be the third time I state that being "heated" is just how I play. Look at my previous games.

All the other stuff you quote are COMPLETELY unrelated since they are answering to her claim I suddenly emotionally BURSTED. Which I proved wrong here

Also I am telling you thats how I play its not emotional... just look how I argumented with bankai...

By stating:

just look how I argumented with bankai...

Officially the dumbest argument I have ever had.

[kiwieagle]

PEDIT:
Became emotional = emotional outburst

Talk about semantics.
This is an obvious attempt to misrep me by claiming I contradicted myself.

I don't even... you sound so much like a politician caught cheating.

Reading this carefully and having some sort of reading comprehension is defense enough for this statement.

[Titus]

VOTE: bankaikiller

To whoever replaces that slot I think it is scum after a quick read. Will do more later.

I think I am replacing bsnakiller so you scumread me before I even post.

Wait, wouldn't you get the same alignment as bankai, regardless of when you replace? So if bankai is scum, and you replace bankai, then you'd be scum -- He was probably scumreading bankai, you just happen to be the poor bastard who got the heated slot.

That's one hell of a coincidence since Math and I subbed in at the same time.

[MathBlade]

Reading the thread more carefully tomorrow for their alignments before commenting on whatever this is.

[Titus]

Seriously...over emotional crap, what the fuck...call me back when you want to scumhunt. Social engineering ain't my thing.