Open 581: Making Friends and Enemies! (Game over)

[Green Crayons]

As expected, what you're pushing is just wrong. Instead of directly responding to you, because it's not my responsibility to correct your errors, I will simply state my development of thoughts.

1. Before D1 lynch, I thought the scum team was (in order of confidence): (1) Mala, (2) Ranger, (3) Kaboose.

2. Before D2, I read Kaboose's ISO and Titus's ISO.

3. At D2's start, I thought the scum team was (in no order): (1) Kaboose (dead), (2) Mala, (3) Titus OR swag. I said as much in my first post for today.

- That is, going into D2, I thought there are three scum candidates for two scum slots: Mala AND (Titus OR swag).

4. From the beginning of D2 until now, however, I am not sure that that is the actual lineup - but I am sure that they are all still scum candidates. Instead, whereas I previously thought Titus AND swag was an unlikely scum pair (being that I was suspecting both based off of interactions with/about Kaboose), I now think that there are additional developments since the beginning of D2 that alter the potential lineup.

- Specifically, Titus-scum has less of a buddy connection with Mala (per Ranger's Post 1782) AND Titus-scum has more of a buddy connection with swag (per GC's Post 1824). Consequently, if Titus flips scum, I would prefer a swag lynch over a Mala lynch. If Titus flips town, I have no preference between a Mala and swag lynch.

[Titus]

TLDR:

Green says I am wrong... but makes a long post proving me right.

Green opened Day 3 at point 3.

He changed based on LR's post according to him.

I ask him why...


He claims to never change...

That wall is a caught scum wall.

My bet is Mala is his partner.

[Green Crayons]

--> Lynch Titus. If scum, lynch swag. If town, lynch Mala.

--> Lynch Mala. If scum, lynch swag. If town, lynch Titus.

--> Lynch swag. If scum, lynch Mala. If town, lynch Titus.

[Green Crayons]

I never claimed to never have changed? I wanted you to specify what you were talking about, because usually you're speaking moon language despite the use of English words. I wanted you to be specific so you couldn't come back with some bullshit "oh I was saying something else."

[Green Crayons]

--> Lynch Titus. If scum, lynch swag. If town, lynch Mala.

--> Lynch Mala. If scum, lynch swag. If town, lynch Titus.

--> Lynch swag. If scum, lynch

Mala

Titus

. If town, lynch

Titus

Mala

.

Fixed. Maybe? I haven't really thought through if swag is lynched, as my reads based on associations are based on other players' (Titus's and Mala's) actions, not swag's.

[Titus]

@GC,

That chain does not make sense logically.

You say...

If Titus is scum, then Swag is her partner.
If Mala is scum, then Mala's her partner.
if Swag is scum, Mala's his partner.

The catch is we know you are flailing because scum have the same partner regardless who is lynched.

Now you are putting up wifom mists.

[Green Crayons]

You can't even repeat what I said correctly.

[Titus]

Pedit...

Seems like you parially but not completely fixed that

[Green Crayons]

Also, scum have the same partner regardless of who is lynched?

lol

Yes. clapclapclap.

We as town have better ideas as to who those partners are based off of the flip of the person who is lynched, though. Hence, a change in position depending upon the flip reveal.

[Titus]

Even in your umm "corrected" versions, all routes lead to lynching swag. Yet Swag is most likely town. If you actually believed your corrected version, you would vote Swag.

You just want to have two mislynches as viable but look as if you're solving the game.

[Green Crayons]

Yeah, I was thinking about the fact that if either Titus or Mala ends up scum, swag would be scum with them. So why not just lynch swag?

I'm not against it.

The problem, though, is that I'm not sure who between Titus or Mala would be buddies with swag. So if swag did end up being scum, I would still be in a 50/50 between Titus and Mala. (If swag ended up being town, both Titus and Mala would be scum.) So it's not like there's some magical scenario where there isn't a chance of town being lynched.

Also, I think between the interactions with/about Kaboose, Titus looks more scummy than swag. So that's another reason why he's not first on my list to lynch.

[Titus]

You had eliminated Titus/Mala based on LR's posting but that magically comes back if Swag is town. Nope. You want to artificially restrict the lynch pool.

[Green Crayons]

lol

Narrowing the pool of scum candidates based off of suspicions is "artificially restrict<ing> the lynch pool."

[Green Crayons]

Sorry I'm not sorry that I have narrowed my scum candidates based on suspicions, and then have subsequently tried to determine who are the likely buddies based on associations dependent upon how those scum candidates should flip.

OH NO PLAYING THE GAME IS SCUMMY.

[Titus]

Well work calls. Shread you another time GC.

When your suspicions are not suspicions but the three least popular players and you cannot even come up with a coherent partners case for them, yup.

I am not claiming to know who the last scum is. I just know you are scum.

[Green Crayons]

When your suspicions are not suspicions

but the three least popular players and you cannot even come up with a coherent partners case for them, yup.

False.

[Green Crayons]

And, lol, p sure I'm the least most popular player so WAH WAH WAH ATE.

[Heartless]

As expected, what you're pushing is just wrong. Instead of directly responding to you, because it's not my responsibility to correct your errors, I will simply state my development of thoughts.

1. Before D1 lynch, I thought the scum team was (in order of confidence): (1) Mala, (2) Ranger, (3) Kaboose.

2. Before D2, I read Kaboose's ISO and Titus's ISO.

3. At D2's start, I thought the scum team was (in no order): (1) Kaboose (dead), (2) Mala, (3) Titus OR swag. I said as much in my first post for today.

- That is, going into D2, I thought there are three scum candidates for two scum slots: Mala AND (Titus OR swag).

4. From the beginning of D2 until now, however, I am not sure that that is the actual lineup - but I am sure that they are all still scum candidates. Instead, whereas I previously thought Titus AND swag was an unlikely scum pair (being that I was suspecting both based off of interactions with/about Kaboose), I now think that there are additional developments since the beginning of D2 that alter the potential lineup.

- Specifically, Titus-scum has less of a buddy connection with Mala (per Ranger's Post 1782) AND Titus-scum has more of a buddy connection with swag (per GC's Post 1824). Consequently, if Titus flips scum, I would prefer a swag lynch over a Mala lynch. If Titus flips town, I have no preference between a Mala and swag lynch.

lol?

if titus is scum, i think mala is FAR more likely to be scum

[Heartless]

wow, reading the argument this page is like watching a two player qwop race

[Heartless]

so...

much...

derp

[Jingle]

so...

much...

derp

[Lone Ranger]

Can't decide between Titus and GC. Feels too good to be true.

[Green Crayons]

Ain't a life decision.

[Green Crayons]

if titus is scum, i think mala is FAR more likely to be scum

Disagree for the reasons already stated.

Also, this:

@Green, so you think I come into the game and tunnel my partner who claimed a guilty on our third partner?

If pretty priceless, particularly if Titus is scum. Titus and I recently played a game (Murder on the Orient Express) where D1 was Scum 1 attacking Scum 2 for attacking Scum 3. Titus refused to believe that scum would do such a thing, and therefore refused to vote the last remaining scum.

Titus is now saying that scum would never do such a thing. Tee. Hee.

[davesaz]

Just search Kaboose's ISO and Ctrl+f "gc" or "green". You will see why they are partners.

Just search Kaboose's ISO and Ctrl+f "gc" or "green". You will see why they are partners.

just did this and i see what you're saying

Spoiler:

swag already made his GC-is-scum-because-of-Kaboose-interactions in Post 1061.

I responded in Post 1064.

Heartless, Swag: The posts that GC pointed to look like misdirection to me. I looked at things Kaboose said about GC. In particular, I looked at the progression of 323 (K hasn't noticed GC), 447 (no opinion), 756 (defends), 763 (K defends GC, over Mala).

Also we have GC not wanting to be recruited in 802/807, and in 1711 seems to be voting Kaboose against his will, possible bus. Then we have the deflection in 1842 posted above.

Are these the same observations? Please post pointers to the things you're seeing.

I also see plenty where GC could be distancing from Mala.