Open 583: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[Teapot]

Uh, mod you just accidently slipped my role.
I'm continuin the catch up today.

@BBT,
I'm not going to say who I'm an alt of, hence I made it.

[Wickedestjr]

Wicked, 1708 – so, do you think that I wanted to save Copper's Day because I mentioned

one

possibility amongst many others, when I summarized all of the possibilities that came into my mind? Do you think that

one

single thing is more important than all of my posts about scumreading Copper?

It's not so much the fact that I think you're trying to save copper. My issue is that it feels like you're giving copper a pass when, as town, you have no reason to be. I honestly don't know why you would do that as scum, but it feels like bad town play. I don't care if it's just one possibility, it was a weird thing for you to say and I'm not going to just ignore it. I'm reading everything carefully...

I know it's off but why do you think that Copper had to be replaced (without a warning)?

He broke a rule;

You are not forced to like each other, but the fact that you badly want so and so offed does not give you the right to insult him or her. Please keep your hatred of people or groups thereof to yourself unless you want a warning. Three warnings

(or an offensive enough post)

and you will be replaced.

BBT wouldn't have responded in a similar manner if not for copper's initial insults. Plus I think copper's posts were more offensive - several were offensive enough to warrant no-warning-ejection.

Wicked, 1710 – your logic is perfect... IF Vettrock is town. But that doesn't proove that Vettrock is not scum.

I wasn't arguing that he is town: I was just trying to show you how vettrock was bread crumbing the 1-shot tracker specifically - you seemed to not understand that.

Here's my argument for vettrock town: it is very unlikely that vettrock scum would set up this fake claim in the way that he did. It makes perfect sense if he's town, but there's no reason for him to do it as scum - nothing provoking the idea.

[Wickedestjr]

BBT, wouldn't we know if Teapot's main got replaced by Teapot? Not understanding your idea.

...

[killapenwin]

@wicked: I would have to check but I do remember vettrock being very slow to post the first day, did those crumbs come before or after Eyestotts claim? Also it is not to much of an impossibility for them to have done it as scum, for one they would know Eyestott was town and two given the mafia set up they would be aware that PR's were in the game.

[Wickedestjr]

2) Not important now, but he had given me a kill choice via PM at time of replacement that I would have used if no replacement found before the slot's lynch.
Finding someone to replace into a 60+ page game for the single purpose of making a venge-kill would have been difficult given how long Tean's replacement took to find.

Wow... I am not sure that I have ever seen this happen before. This is an extremely unfair advantage for us... kinda ironic how copper's rule breaking incidentally led to his own town confirmation...

What do we do now?

Mod?

This information, despite undeserved, is very helpful (we all seemed ready to lynch Teapot and this accidental confirmation could save us a lynch). I need to process this... *back to the drawing board*

[Wickedestjr]

@wicked: I would have to check but I do remember vettrock being very slow to post the first day, did those crumbs come before or after Eyestotts claim?

The crumbs came after. Order: Eyestott claimed, vettrock town read the claim as soon as he saw it, eyestott still has people suspecting him, vettrock crumbs that he knows eyestott is town.

Also it is not to much of an impossibility for them to have done it as scum, for one they would know Eyestott was town and two given the mafia set up they would be aware that PR's were in the game.

Firstly, I am assuming your use of the words 'they' and 'them' refer to vettrock alone rather than his hypothetical scum team as a group. If vettrock is scum, this is something that he decided on his own. From what I have seen, vettrock is a savvy player but he doesn't seem like the super-crafty type. There was no reason for vettrock to set himself up for this fake claim unless he wanted to get crafty. Especially considering the risks;
-There could be a counterclaim for 1-shot tracker.
-vettrock is deciding his 'fake role' for the rest of the game on day 1, limiting his options for later on.
-1-shot tracker is potentially testable.
Sure, it's possible that vettrock is scum, but I would bet a lot of money that he isn't.

[mastin2]

VOTE: BBT.

As a starting point.

Mind's not in the game right now, not really. But I want BBT lynched.
-Many players said BBT vs. Copper wasn't townVtown.
-BBT being a hider confirms killa as town, a result I'm now doubting a bit.
-Gives us a ton of info aside from that, on the setup and therefore other claims.
-Plus to some extent POE. If copper's not scum, who can be?

Not Heartless. (They're town, no matter what.)
Not Anen. (Basically the same.)
I've leaned against Wicked. (Will need to relook.)
I've thought vettock was town since the claim. (Again need to relook.)
And Titus if scum would be a serial killer, not groupscum.

Kinda only leaves BBT, beast, and killa. (Though I'll admit, Wicked and vettock need another look.)

[mastin2]

If one of my townreads is wrong, it's Wicked.

[mastin2]

Right, did some basic number-crunching.
I pretty much ignored previous number-crunching, since I'm stubborn that way and like to do it my own way.

IPKK is, if Titus is town, confirmed.
IIPKK is, if both Titus and Vettock are town, confirmed.

So assuming Titus is town. (Safe assumption.) Assuming vettock is town. (Not as safe an assumption.)
IIPKKH is only possible with three VTs if I'm doing my math right, but given that it'd require killa to be one and I trust Anti and Anen to both be town, it's impossible.
Thus, BBT is almost certainly a liar.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wow, Copper is town.

Either way we'll have a confirmed townie going into tomorrow.

If you lynch me, you'll see I'm town and that will confirm Killa. Scum will have to choose one of Killa/teapot to kill.

Lynching me is fucking dumb though. I think both Mastin & Heartless are scum. Seems to be the best explanation for the way they have interacted with each other.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mastin/BC/Vettrock/Heartless is where the scum are.

Guaranteed.

[Teapot]

Lets compromise Vettrock for now, Mastin/BBT are both odd reads however we seem to be fine with Vettrock. I'm probaly going to die tonight saving any other living PR's. I'm at page 50 right now, why was Copper replaced? He seemed active.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'd much prefer Heartless I think.

VOTE: Heartless

[Jackal711]

Um, yeah...

I'm going to lock the game while I seek advice on how to resolve the situation.

[Jackal711]

My biggest apologies to the player involved, but the best resolution seems to be removing the slot from the game.

Teapot

copper223

,

Town Vengeful

, leaves the game due to mod error Day 2.

As there are now 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Resetting day 2's deadline due to the 3 days this took to resolve. New deadline will be Wednesday, February 11th at 12:00 pm PST which is in (expired on 2015-02-11 12:00:00)

[Titus]

So we have IPK???. BBT claims hider. Vettock claims 1shot tracker. I am the vig. For sake of arg, I am included.

That leaves the following as possible.

TTT = Mafia Goon, Mafia Goon, Mafia JOAT, Serial Killer

TT = Mafia Goon, Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver, Mafia JOAT

T = Mafia Goon, Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver, Mafia JOAT, Serial Killer


From my perspective, the most likely setup is either BBT or Vettock is lying but not both (TT). While it is possible the SK was in jail, rbed or crosskilled, I do not really see that happening here.

0 Ts = Mafia Goon, Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver, Mafia JOAT

[Heartless]

I'd much prefer Heartless I think.

VOTE: Heartless

LOL

VOTE: bbt

[Heartless]

From my perspective, the most likely setup is either BBT or Vettock is lying but not both (TT). While it is possible the SK was in jail, rbed or crosskilled, I do not really see that happening here.

hint: it's bbt

[Jackal711]

VOTE COUNT 2.11

killapenwin (0) -
BlueBloodedToffee (2) - Heartless, mastin2
Heartless (1) - BlueBloodedToffee
vettrock (0) -
Aneninen (0) -
Wickedestjr (0) -
beastcharizard (2) - killapenwin, Titus
Titus (0) -
mastin2 (0) -

No Lynch (1) - beastcharizard

Not Voting: Aneninen, Wickedestjr, vettrock

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Sunday, February 11th at 12pm PST which is in (expired on 2015-02-11 12:00:00)

[Titus]

From my perspective, the most likely setup is either BBT or Vettock is lying but not both (TT). While it is possible the SK was in jail, rbed or crosskilled, I do not really see that happening here.

hint: it's bbt

V's not using the track I find rather suspicious though....

[beastcharizard]

Teapot gets an honorary win I hope.

VOTE: BBT

Regardless of opinion this is what cooper would have wanted and thus I am not voting anyone else. I am pretending like this is the vengeful shot.

[mastin2]

Teapot gets an honorary win I hope.

Given that it was mod error and technically not a modkill, Teapot should.

But we have to win first, and your BBT vote is an excellent place to start. (Though frankly, I think it's bussing, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.)

[Titus]

Given dodgy's comments at the end if the day, I would expect Beast or Mastina to have been jailed, so if there is an SK, I would look there with a strong beast lean.

[killapenwin]

I have not checked the math but are we now at mylo or lylo now that copperpot died?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Watch the wagon on me.

Both Mastin and Heartless are scum. If they are as I suspect, I don't see town winning because they're pretty much in control of this game.