Open 581: Making Friends and Enemies! (Game over)

[Titus]

I'm not ruling out lynching her, I'm just saying a quick lynch based on she hasn't contributed is stupid.

[Heartless]

well yeah

eating a bowlful of rusty nails would also be stupid, but like quicklynching mala, no one is suggesting it

[Green Crayons]

Nobody has ever said that we should suspect Mala for failing to contribute.

[Titus]

It sure has been banded a lot from my perspective. Otherwise, I'm not "defending" her at all. Rather it's more of a BOLO for Mala content.

I also find this VERY hypocritical since Dave has posted next to nothing, but it's ok because he just magically happens to agree with everyone else.

[Titus]

Nobody has ever said that we should suspect Mala for failing to contribute.

Now that is utter shit.

[Green Crayons]

lol, you're wrong

Mala lynch because the slot's contribution - both awesome and Mala - amounts to fencesitting and lurking. Plus, Mala's D1 play is coextensive with scum not wanting to be on a town lynch (this does not make Mala scum, but it explains why Mala-scum would have acted the way Mala did on D1).

I looked at Kaboose's ISO for interactions. The Kaboose vs Awesome/Mala interaction is interesting.

Awesome was the player who responded to Kaboose's "wah nobody voted me in RVS" in 155.
In 520 and 565, Kaboose is defending awesome.
In 735, Kaboose questions a fast town read on Mala.
In 759 Kaboose posts about LR's reads and notes that awesome as scum was erased by 5 Mala posts.
In 767 and 768 the interaction with LR makes me think LR could also be on the team but this is weaker.
In 945, Kaboose is prompting Heartless that LR townread Mala.

When I looked through awesome and Mala I don't see a whole lot of town there.

VOTE: Malakittens

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[Green Crayons]

Oh, is "lurking" now "failing to contribute"?

BAH

I guess it is.

[Green Crayons]

WELP I WAS WRONG

[Green Crayons]

Anti gave a great reason why dave is likely town, actually. Somewhere in the 54ish page range.

[Titus]

You actually just proved me right again.

The first quote is pretty much Mala hasn't taken a stance, which equals lack of content.

Again, that's not Mala's posting. You have posted nothing but Kaboose defended her and she has no content. Well you know what, you ever hear of whiteknighting?

You certainly are pushing the lynch Mala before she can talk.

[Titus]

WELP I WAS WRONG

Great, well if you are town, you can actually start reassessing. This is the second time. Now, give me a break with the Titus is obvscum because I was wrong and Kaboose was all up in my ass.

[Green Crayons]

hahaha

You like to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Failure to take a stance is not lack of posting caused by a blizzard or VLA.

Also, blizzard and VLA wasn't during D1.

[Heartless]

Kaboose was all up in my ass.

o_O

[Titus]

Day 1 town was run by idiots as y'all mislynched. So, I actually think Mala's absence (which I still think was IRL motivated) was detrimental to town.

You are just baselessly tunnelling now.

[Titus]

Kaboose was all up in my ass.

o_O

Yeah, did he ever even hint I was scum at all since I subbed in? Nope. He pushed all the arguments. I figured it was because he was town who hated being fakeclaimed on. A shitton of his posts say Titus was right.

[Green Crayons]

You're using buzzwords... as if... they have extra power.

[Heartless]

exactly zero of his posts say that

[Titus]

Green,

Your case on me is Kaboose argued I was town.

Well, duh he'd argue I was town. I was doing what scum would want me to do. Defend from the fakeclaim that was obviously fake.

Heartless,

I know he's got it wrong. He's most likely scum.

[Green Crayons]

Also, part of your D2 suspicions on me (that I went from my #2 suspicion Ranger vote to my #1 suspicion Mala vote, instead of my #3 suspicion Kaboose) makes sense from a pre-Kaboose flip only if you knew Kaboose would flip scum.

[Grib]

Hi.

Still really want to lynch Mala.

[davesaz]

Heartless, Swag: I think I'm still waiting for an answer on the GC vs Kaboose interactions. Did I pick out the same things that you were talking about, or not?

Titus: I actually do put some weight on the blizzard, but I also know pretty well when the impact started and ended given part of my work team lives in that area. Not all of Mala's inactive time corresponds with weather events.

It's actually kinda funny that you're talking about not being in a hurry to lynch Mala. Unless I missed an unvote, you're sitting at L-1.

[Heartless]

Heartless, Swag: The posts that GC pointed to look like misdirection to me. I looked at things Kaboose said about GC. In particular, I looked at the progression of 323 (K hasn't noticed GC), 447 (no opinion), 756 (defends), 763 (K defends GC, over Mala).

Also we have GC not wanting to be recruited in 802/807, and in 1711 seems to be voting Kaboose against his will, possible bus. Then we have the deflection in 1842 posted above.

Are these the same observations? Please post pointers to the things you're seeing.

I also see plenty where GC could be distancing from Mala.

i looked at this again and it's all kind of circumstantial. and if you repeat the exercise w/ riddleton/titus slot and mala you find equally sketch stuff. i think what you're seeing dave is an artifact of kaboose just being scum. of course kaboose has an artifical reads progression: he's scum.

[davesaz]

Just search Kaboose's ISO and Ctrl+f "gc" or "green". You will see why they are partners.

just did this and i see what you're saying

I'm looking for you to say exactly what you meant by this.

[Heartless]

IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER AT THIS POINT

then, i was just thinking "oh well, the interactions are really limited to... pretty much nothing and the reads progression makes no fucking sense."

that's not really conclusive when you think about it though

[davesaz]

Thanks. It wasn't clear if you were downplaying the stuff I was seeing, or confirming that it was the same stuff and downplaying it.
Sometimes that kind of thing is all there is to go on.

Moving along, I posted some stuff on Mala. I presume that you find it weaker than the Titus case? Beyond Titus who would be your next scum reads?