Open 583: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[mastin2]

mastin what made you change your read on me?

Part POE, part that you were pushing people in a way that made me almost positive that you had a scum agenda.

And what made you decide not to shoot last night?

Same thing which made me not shoot night one: because I was playing as if a vig (even with Titus being a vig), and the way I play vig is to...not shoot. I don't like killing people.

Plus I was thinking N1 that eyestott could track me, and N2 that vettock could.

[killapenwin]

I guess I should start looking for another game then, it was fun.

vote:wicked

[Jackal711]

The Serial Killer has agreed to the proposed joint win.

vettrock,

Town 1-shot Tracker

, and killapenwin,

Vanilla Townie

, depart in shame Day 3.

The Mafia team of:
Wickedestjr,

Mafia JOAT

Aneninen,

Mafia 1-shot Bus Driver

Heartless,

Mafia Goon

and mastin2,

1-shot Bulletproof Serial Killer

Have agreed to settle differences peacefully.

In game terms, the game is declared a draw between the SK and Mafia. Town loses.

[Jackal711]

Night 1 Actions:

Eyestott (Tracker): Mastin
dodgy (Jailkeeper): Anen
BlueBloodedToffee (Hider): Hide behind Killapenwin
Tean Samargo (Vigilante): Kill dodgy56 (succeeds)

Mastin (SK): No Kill

Mafia Actions:
Wickedestjr strongman kills eyestott (succeeds)

Night 2 Actions:
Vettrock (1-shot Tracker): BBT (told BBT visited Anen)
Titus (Vig): Shoot Vettrock (Fails due to roleblock)
BlueBloodedToffee (Hider): Hide behind Anen (Anen is Mafia, BBT dies)

Mastin (SK): No Kill

Mafia Actions:
Heartless kills Titus. (succeeds)
Wickedestjr roleblocks Titus. (succeeds)
Aneninen bus-drives Wickedestjr and killapenguin. (succeeds, no effect)

[Jackal711]

Setup Rolls:

20 - T 57 - I 57 - I 66 - P 83 - H 91 - K 95 - K

T II P H KK

Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
1-Shot Tracker
Tracker
Jailkeeper
Hider
Vengeful
Vigilante
Mafia Goon
Mafia 1-shot Bus Driver
Mafia JOAT
Serial Killer

[Jackal711]

Mafia Thread: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=60352
Graveyard: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=60353

Thread is reopened for post game discussion.

[mastin2]

Titus also shot when she shouldn't have; the mafia roleblocking her is what allowed me to have a joint win, so thanks for that, but had they not, that would've been an instant scum win.

Seriously, I messed up by townreading Anti and Anen (not to mention my earlier Wicked townread), but I know my theory, and HIDING WHILE IN MYLO and SHOOTING WHILE IN MYLO during the night are BOTH stupid ideas,

yet alone

doing both at once.

Town's ONLY shot at winning was for you to both do nothing, with me also doing nothing, leaving just the mafia's kill, and a 3v3v1 with the 1 siding with the town.

[mastin2]

(Which I default to, by the way, but given it was ANTI and ANEN with a side of WICKED, jointwinning with them is far more lucrative than siding with the town to ultimately lose. )

[dodgy56]

ughh n1 is what really screwed it for the town.

[mastin2]

Btw,
Nomination if you think they earned it.
I certainly do.

[mastin2]

And by the way, my plan was to claim SK only if a PR (other than Titus) died during the night, and just one.
Two would, as we saw, leave me not needing to claim; everyone would already know.
None (other than Titus) would mean a lylo where I'd have to struggle to determine whether the PRs were town or scum. If scum, I wouldn't need to claim, but if town, I'd need to claim SK just to stop town from voting them and allowing a scum quickhammer.

It's also another reason why I knew shooting nobody was the best option. Short of Titus and the scum both shooting me, I knew I was living, so what I needed to MOST do is avoid shooting town. Since I didn't know for sure who the scum were (even though I suspected Wicked), I simply couldn't risk the kill even if it was my wont to do so.

[Jackal711]

I agreed to the draw because it was painfully obvious to me it would happen anyway.

Even with one scum nailed due to the tracker, the 2 living town plus mastin is still only 3 votes, out of 4 that would be needed to lynch with the 6 alive during day 3.

And as seen in the mafia thread, they had figured out the SK was mastin. If day 3 had gone no lynch, they most likely would have shot a townie, which if mastin no-killed again would trigger their wincon.

[Jackal711]

Anyway thanks everyone for playing and being patient through the long wait for Tean's replacement as well as the resolution of the whole copper debacle.

[Antihero]

JEEZ, JACKAL, THANKS FOR THE LABYRINTH OF FUCKING TOWN PRS, YOU THINK YOU MADE IT HARD ENOUGH?

[Antihero]

lol, in all seriousness, that was fun.

...and stressful...

[Antihero]

I need to start having some conviction in my reads.

ARGGGGHHHHHH!!!!

it's not that you didn't have enough conviction

it's that by the time copper's slot flipped, your credibility was shot

[Aneninen]

Thanks for modding, Jackal !
Also, greetings for my team, we were having a really good time ^_^
And thanks Mastin for the nomination. You deserved that joint win anyway. I had known before Day2 ended that you were the SK but I couldn't do anything about it without drawing too many FoS on myself.

I think I managed to spam so much Setup speculation that noone actually thought that I wasn't about to solve the game at all ^_^
Also, it worked out well that basicly, Wicked, Heartless and me never agreed on anything during the game.

I feel a bit sorry for the Copper-BBT fight and for Davesaz... I bet next time either Heartless or I show up in a game with him he'll try to insta-lynch us.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It goes without saying but if I had just pushed Anen harder (gained a little more support from town) then this game would have been completely different.

I'm annoyed I let go of that read.

I'm also annoyed that town focused so much on probability and completely stopped scum-hunting. That was seriously pissing me off.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I also let my ego get the better of me vs Copper.

I knew he was town, it was evident from my posting about him (I think someone questioned the development of my read on him to try and get me lynched) but I didn't care. I wanted him lynched so badly.

[Aneninen]

It goes without saying but if I had just pushed Anen harder (gained a little more support from town) then this game would have been completely different.

...I've felt the same soooo much times. I stop because "what if it'd be a mislynch"?
...and in other cases I push the case until I manage to convince all the others, only to achieve a ...mislynch.

I'm also annoyed that

town

scum focused so much on probability and completely stopped scum-hunting. That was seriously pissing me off.

FIFY ^_^

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't usually let go of a scum-read when I get one. This has taught me to trust my instincts.

Town allowed for the game to be controlled based on probability.

[Titus]

Mastina, I figured SK was not in the game. Given I was pretty confident in BBT's scumread of you, shooting Vettock was the right play. Bah!

[vettrock]

If BBT would have hidden behind me, we would have had three conftown, and Anen as confirmed scum.

[killapenwin]

Meh, when you have players like beast looking scummy as hell when town, a town vig that only shoots at town because they are away for most of the game, then you are pretty screwed from the start. Copper painting a target on his back and their slot subsequently being mod-killed didn't help much either.

So many dumb plays by town, scum were practically handed the game.

[davesaz]

Dave, who are your top 3 scum-reads and why?

Mastin -- throwing out empty reads that get wagons started but not backing them up with anything.

Heartless -- I really can't see town being this stubborn. Yes, scum can wiggle their way out and it looks a little like what I'm doing. But when scum flail, they don't openly admit to half the things that people see as scummy. Scum try to deny the charge, not accept it with a "and so what". They'll reject this post too as yet another thing that scum would say to look town. You can lead a horse to water but you don't usually need to make them drink.

I thought Tean might be the next scum read, but my re-read said no they're leaning town.

I'm not a PR worshiper, especially not the roles that eyestott and copper claimed. Copper's behavior leads me to question earlier scum reads and say he's probable town, eyestott is still scummy if it weren't for the claim. That said, I'd much rather consolidate on someone else and let scum have the task of eliminating them.

Wicked is strong town. Of all the people voting me, he's actually saying something concrete about it. I have to swallow my pride and retract the "nobody said why I'm scummy" position.

Beast or vettrock as scum, perhaps? So little to go on...

I got two right (Mastin and Heartless) and one completely wrong (Wicked). Couldn't read Anen at all.