Mini 1643: World of Mafiacraft (End)

[AngryPidgeon]

Also nero is town this game.

[TroubledTownie]

You think as scum, I would lie about House's behavior and our own history, to keep him from getting lynched?

If you had inside information that House wasn't scum (atleast not with you) I don't see why you wouldn't.

Think about it. Why would scum intentionally lie to try and prevent a mislynch? That's ridiculous. Scum

wants

mislynches, and scum

doesn't want

to have to lie.

Those aren't comparable situations. House was dead in that newbie game. Nobody else was getting lynched that day. That was House trying to manipulate the day to end more quickly(not AtE as you claim).

reading in context I can see that. Though I still find it a little iffy that you'd think that scumHouse would be above self voting to try and ATE his way out of a lynch. Which brings up the next portion of our discussion.

Can you explain how you got a meta town read on House. What games id you read?

I didn't think scumHouse would do it because I hadn't seen him do it. What's iffy about that?

Somewhere in that Newbie game there were 3 or 4 House games linked, those were the ones I had read.

[TroubledTownie]

@ABR -- That being said the fact Titus and TT opened out of the gate voting me is pretty suspicious so I'm holding my vote until I can reread the thread Sunday or unless something major happens.

It's suspicious of me to vote my biggest scumread?

Appeal to ridicule.

Can you tell me why Nero wants to lynch you? Serious question.

Not really. His case against me is that he thinks I intentionally lied to try and prevent a mislynch...

TT also remarks that house self voting is a town tell when at most, this it was null.

I actually find this fairly compelling. I can see scum saying that if they have reason to think House is town. Ok Nero, TT and TFL, we can do it.

As I've posted before, I had seen townHouse do that, but I hadn't seen him do it as scum. I even asked for a link to a game where he did that as scum.

[Titus]

@ABR -- That being said the fact Titus and TT opened out of the gate voting me is pretty suspicious so I'm holding my vote until I can reread the thread Sunday or unless something major happens.

It's suspicious of me to vote my biggest scumread?

Appeal to ridicule.

Can you tell me why Nero wants to lynch you? Serious question.

Not really. His case against me is that he thinks I intentionally lied to try and prevent a mislynch...

TT also remarks that house self voting is a town tell when at most, this it was null.

I actually find this fairly compelling. I can see scum saying that if they have reason to think House is town. Ok Nero, TT and TFL, we can do it.

What the fuck is up with that top quote? I opened out of the gate today voting Mathblade and that section isn't in 1648...
As I've posted before, I had seen townHouse do that, but I hadn't seen him do it as scum. I even asked for a link to a game where he did that as scum.

[Titus]

What the fuck is up with that top quote? I opened out of the gate today voting Mathblade and that section isn't in 1648...

Damn it... Fucking quote boxes

[TroubledTownie]

What the fuck is up with that top quote? I opened out of the gate today voting Mathblade and that section isn't in 1648...

Damn it... Fucking quote boxes

I dunno, it's really weird.

Sometimes I'll quote Post X and submit the reply, and later I'll quote Post Y, but it will take the header information from Post X.

[Nero Cain]

Scum wants mislynches, and scum doesn't want to have to lie.

Scum defend town all the time bro.

Somewhere in that Newbie game there were 3 or 4 House games linked, those were the ones I had read.

I will look at these. I assume that all these were town games he posted? If so how do you expect to have a good understanding metawise of House without reading his scum games?

[AngryPidgeon]

Think about it. Why would scum intentionally lie to try and prevent a mislynch? That's ridiculous. Scum wants mislynches, and scum doesn't want to have to lie

Ehhh, I can kind of see this being a caught-for-the-wrong-reasons vibe, but I'm not super interested in lynching this just yet.

[Nero Cain]

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=59204 <- Town game. Also where I learned that RQS is scummy. Note my interaction with the IC.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=58830 <- Scum game. Note the considerably more mellow tone and lack of confrontation. Note the overall towny behavior.

these?

I've also added the correct scum game link

I could MMMMAAAAYYYBBBEEE see where you get "I read a scumHouse game and he didn't self vote so he is town here b/c he only self votes as town.!" but I'm still a little skeptical.

[TroubledTownie]

Scum wants mislynches, and scum doesn't want to have to lie.

Scum defend town all the time bro.

Scum doesn't lie to try to prevent a mislynch. Seriously, there is

no

scum motivation to do that.

Scum defend town for towncred when the case against someone is crap, just like town does, but there's no need to lie to do it. Your case against House was crap, you kept badgering on and on about him not answering you, when he had(you just weren't satisfied with it).

Somewhere in that Newbie game there were 3 or 4 House games linked, those were the ones I had read.

I will look at these. I assume that all these were town games he posted? If so how do you expect to have a good understanding metawise of House without reading his scum games?

This is scummy. You're already trying to frame my meta-understanding of House as suspicious,

before you know a thing about it

. If you're town, then you are trying

very

hard to make the data fit your preconception.

[TroubledTownie]

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=59204 <- Town game. Also where I learned that RQS is scummy. Note my interaction with the IC.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=58830 <- Scum game. Note the considerably more mellow tone and lack of confrontation. Note the overall towny behavior.

these?

I've also added the correct scum game link

I could MMMMAAAAYYYBBBEEE see where you get "I read a scumHouse game and he didn't self vote so he is town here b/c he only self votes as town.!" but I'm still a little skeptical.

Those are two. I think I've looked at 5 of his games total.

You've got such a bad conf bias against me, lol.

[Nero Cain]

my conf bias against House worked out p well I'd say.

[AngryPidgeon]

This is scummy. You're already trying to frame my meta-understanding of House as suspicious, before you know a thing about it. If you're town, then you are trying very hard to make the data fit your preconception.

If hes town, then hes not trying to actively do that. I'd be a bit more peaceful about you if you hadn't kind of sat on the fence here after calling Nero scummy directly.

For the record, What you are describing sounds like what I'd expect from town Nero

[TroubledTownie]

my conf bias against House worked out p well I'd say.

You're going to brag about your own confirmation bias?

This is scummy. You're already trying to frame my meta-understanding of House as suspicious, before you know a thing about it. If you're town, then you are trying very hard to make the data fit your preconception.

If hes town, then hes not trying to actively do that. I'd be a bit more peaceful about you if you hadn't kind of sat on the fence here after calling Nero scummy directly.

For the record, What you are describing sounds like what I'd expect from town Nero

I don't know his meta, but if that's his town play, it's crap town play.

I'm not fence sitting, Math is just much higher on my list. That would be clear to you if you were caught up...

[Nero Cain]

Why were you willing to meta House but not me?

[Albert B. Rampage]

So everyone wants to lynch tt?

[Nero Cain]

idk. do you?

[TroubledTownie]

Why were you willing to meta House but not me?

I don't meta read every player, I only do that if their meta becomes a factor.

If you and AP are going to say that your conf bias is just part of your town play, then do me a favor and link some examples.

[Nero Cain]

Your case against House was crap, you kept badgering on and on about him not answering you, when he had(you just weren't satisfied with it).

My case was actully really good. I know it was good b/c it was right.

In this conversatiion (1274-1279)

^^
that is specifically not town. He

WAS

dodging giving me a straight up answer for why he thinks Math was town. Yes, 1148 was kinda sorta an answer but "Because it's easy as hell for scum to rationalize voting me when I'm town." is really really looks like "Math is voting me b/c she would if she was scum" and if that's not what he meant its ambiguous as hell. Tell me what you think he meant.

[TroubledTownie]

Your case against House was crap, you kept badgering on and on about him not answering you, when he had(you just weren't satisfied with it).

My case was actully really good. I know it was good b/c it was right.

B doesn't follow from A in this instance.

In this conversatiion (1274-1279)

^^
that is specifically not town. He

WAS

dodging giving me a straight up answer for why he thinks Math was town. Yes, 1148 was kinda sorta an answer but "Because it's easy as hell for scum to rationalize voting me when I'm town." is really really looks like "Math is voting me b/c she would if she was scum" and if that's not what he meant its ambiguous as hell. Tell me what you think he meant.

We've been over this.

[Nero Cain]

We've been over this.

not really. In 1148 House says "Because it's easy as hell for scum to rationalize voting me when I'm town." My understanding of this was he's townreading Math for not voting him. Maybe I am being dense here but that's the only thing I'm getting from this post. I asked you yesterday what this was meant to say and you didn't respond so I'm asking you again today what do you think that House was saying in 1148?

[kiwieagle]

I really want to suspect you, because you've been harassing me the entire game, but I don't see you as scum. Stop voting for me and direct your attention at Titus.

Yeah I guess I'm some kind of special space cadet because I still suspect you but honestly that first bit of aggression I felt was missing in your posts. :/ I kinda missed it.

Unvote

ABR -- as a heads up I generally want to lynch all liars unless there is some huge proof hence my scum read on you. I still don't get it tbh.

If you thought he was gambitting why not just vote him and be done with it? Why the fake claim? That I don't get.

@Kiwieagle -- What was ABR fake claiming good?

@ABR -- That being said the fact Titus and TT opened out of the gate voting me is pretty suspicious so I'm holding my vote until I can reread the thread Sunday or unless something major happens.

I agree that somewhere in this group there's probably scum but I need to reread the thread.

Oh look.
Scared.
Scummy.

And to your question, it was a good move because I wanted to lynch House. It was obvious it was a lie since the start. I thought no one voiced it because they didn't want to "spoil" the surprise.

[TroubledTownie]

He was saying what he said. It's easy for scum to use House's town play against him. Math wasn't doing that, and House took that as a town-tell.

[kiwieagle]

Like really, did anyone honestly believe there would be a "vigilante" or a "jailkeeper"?
Bullshit was met with bullshit so they like canceled each other out.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm not fence sitting, Math is just much higher on my list. That would be clear to you if you were caught up...

I mean you called him scum and then proceeded to give yourself a way out of the read by going after his townplay in the way you are.

If you and AP are going to say that your conf bias is just part of your town play, then do me a favor and link some examples.

Not that motivated / have better things to do in this thread with my time.