Mini 1644: DOUBLE TROUBLE (Day 5) - IS THE GAME OVER YET?!?

[Kagamine]

great. didn't even let me claim. I was town cop. stupid fucks.

Chill. I've got your back. Marshawn needs to be lynched tomorrow.

[Whomping Willow]

Others ( ):
The Light, Aneninen, Kagamine,

Not true.

It is

[Aneninen]

If Vertigo's telling the truth (and I can't see a reason for not doing so), Marshawn is scum as f-ck.

Vertigo. Read back. I simply chose between you and Willow because of the Deadline. I examined both of you to find out who's scummier. I posted in a separate post that it was an L–1 so as to prevent a derphammer.

If your claim is real and Crab's not lying there must be a scum Roleblocker or something like that or else there'd be a "Follow the Cop" gamebreak.

What the fuck did you want me to do?

Intent to hammer? Tell Vertigo to claim? Set up a pigeon loft? Whatever but derphammering.

[Aneninen]

Others ( ):
The Light, Aneninen, Kagamine,

Not true.

That was about our votes. We were on vanity wagons.

[Aneninen]

so explain to me how you decided to vote ME. she has done nothing protown at all, and I have, and have not done something bad. basically based your vote on the thought that he is pine.

He IS Pine. He slipped. And yes, my vote was based upon that info.

[shos]

Official Votecount #10 - FINAL

SEVEN VOTES FOR LYNCH

• Crabalocker: (1)
  
  The Light.
  
• Fault: (0)
  
  
  
• Aneninen: (0)
  
  
  
• Gutenberg: (0)
  
  
  
• INAUFTA: (0)
  
  
  
• Vertigo: (7) - LYNCH!!!!
  
  Whompin Willow, Fault, Cursive, Gutenberg, INAUFTA, Aneninen, MarshawnLynch24.
  
• Whompng Willow: (3)
  
  Vertigo, Heads And Tails, Mr Unlucky.
  
• The Light: (1)
  
  Crabalocker.
  
• HeadsAndTails: (0)
  
  
  
• MarshawnLynch24: (1)
  
  Kagamine.
  
• Cursive: (0)
  
  
  
• Mr Unlucky: (0)
  
  
  
• Kagamine: (0)
  
  
  
  
  
  
• No Lynch: (0)
  
  
  
• Not Voting: (0)
  
  

A lynch has been achieved.

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Vertigo was a

TOWN

???.

Night 1 has started. Night deadline is in (expired on 2015-02-14 19:35:33).

[shos]

Night is over by scum decision. any actions not taken so far will be no-action.
I will open the day in a few hours.

[shos]

Night 1 has ended.

TheLight

, the

TOWN

Role Blocker, has been killed.

MarshanLynch24

, the

TOWN

VT, has been killed.

It is now Day 2.
There are 10 people alive. 6 votes are needed for a lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-03-01 00:11:11)

[HeadsAndTails]

VOTE: Whomping Willow

Also probably an SK this game, because of the two kills.

[Crabalocker]

VOTE: Whomping Willow
There's probably a Scum RB, or else there'd be a follow the cop game break thing.

[Whomping Willow]

Marshawn looks like a vig shot, why do you assume SK

VOTE: HeadsAndTails

[Whomping Willow]

Marshawn looks like a vig shot, why do you assume SK

VOTE: HeadsAndTails

[Whomping Willow]

VOTE: Whomping Willow
There's probably a Scum RB, or else there'd be a follow the cop game break thing.

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[Aneninen]

That Marshawn kill could mean anything.
Could be a Vig kill.
Could be an SK kill.
Could be a scum kill if there are more scum factions – and the name of the game suggests this version.

HeadsAndTails: why do you think it was an SK shot?

Crabalocker: I don't think we have enough information for speculating about a Setup, especially since it's a bastard.

Willow: why do you think it was a Vig shot?

[HeadsAndTails]

Marshawn looks like a vig shot, why do you assume SK

VOTE: HeadsAndTails

didn't think about vig. and why the vote on me? want to keep your successful mislynch streak up?

Could be a scum kill if there are more scum factions – and the name of the game suggests this version.

HeadsAndTails: why do you think it was an SK shot?

I don't think so; the rules say:

Nights will last as long as scum want them to. This means that nights might end before they started, or within 1 hour, or within 6 days.

So if this was multiple factions, it would be impossible. so I think there's only one scum faction; so probably either vig or SK.

[Gutenberg]

Thoughts:
I wouldn't be comfortable speculating as to where either shot came from - in fact, neither makes much sense from an actual scumteam, as either could pretty easily have been run up today.
I wonder if this is one of those bastard games where there is no informed minority.
Personally I'd speculate that the name of the game is more due to the fact that this is shos' second alts-only game, but idk.
I really don't think shos would court the danger of 2 RBs, even in a bastard setup.
Given that this is a bastard game, and given the ?? in the D1 flip, I'll repeat that I'm taking every mod-spoken word with a grain of salt.

Vote: Mr Unlucky

[Gutenberg]

INAUFTA worries me with how below the radar he is also, but Mr Unlucky has held his counsel for far too long.

[INAUFTA]

Can someone give evidence pointing to WW being Pine, or everyone can drop that thing.

Pine was Not Mastin (emails match), and whatever else doesn't matter.

[vpte]Aneninen[/vote]
I'm still suspicious of that post last time, and the vote can therefore sit back there until I figure out stuff people that will get actually work with other people.

[Kagamine]

VOTE: willow

So, it was surprising that Marshawn wasn't scum.

[Kagamine]

What is a ???

I thought that Vertigo was a cop. Psh, bastard games

[Whomping Willow]

What is a ???

I thought that Vertigo was a cop. Psh, bastard games

Fake

VOTE: Kagamine

[Aneninen]

Can someone give evidence pointing to WW being Pine, or everyone can drop that thing.
Pine was Not Mastin (emails match), and whatever else doesn't matter.
[vpte]Aneninen[/vote]
I'm still suspicious of that post last time, and the vote can therefore sit back there until I figure out stuff people that will get actually work with other people.

I thought that 43 and 44 belonged together. While I was catching up with the game I saw that someone had been mentioned that Pine = Willow.
If I'm wrong about this, please, point it out, why. Because if so, my Pine-read is worth pigeon poop.
Also, fix your vote tag. ^_^


For those who're voting for Willow: can you summarize your case against him? (Regardless of whether he's Pine or not.)

[Cursive]

Well Re-evaluing

based on today alone HT and Gutenburg look towny for trying to figure out the game/setup

My bruised ego wants Vertigo to be scum and the ?? flip to be some sort of death miller role
But I was more likey just dumb
Gonna assume Vertigo was town And figure out if WillowCompetingWagon was on scum or if Both wagons were on town

Unlucky and Kagamine are good places to start to figure out

[Whomping Willow]

VOTE: Anenineneneneneneneneneonenenenonenenenen

Given up on your whiteknight?

[HeadsAndTails]

Spoiler: spoilered by request

Confirm

N0 guilty on Vertigo btw

VOTE: crabalocker

Serious vote

Altslip alert

Altslip buttfaces

@mod I'm voting crabalocker

VOTE: Fault
PT?

Eh. I don't really see the case on Not Mastin, actually. However I shall OMGUS Whomping Pine Tree.

VOTE: Whomping Willow

This is the real scum guys

Crabalocker is a better option than Kagamine

^ Good posting

^ Bad vote

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Whomping Use Your Words
no one can read you, let alone have a conversation with, when you play at being silent

Don't feel like it

Vote crabalocler and we'll be one step closer to lynching scum

Crabalocker is still scum

You're a main

So, anyone on the wagon on crabalocker wants to explain how and why that wagon happened, and why we practically made the town doctor claim still in RVS?

Because he's not the town doctor

Scumalocker
Crabascum

So, anyone on the wagon on crabalocker wants to explain how and why that wagon happened, and why we practically made the town doctor claim still in RVS?

Because he's not the town doctor

is this a CC? if it is, speak it directly.

No

All of my posts have a purpose

Crabalocker wagon dying

Vertigo/Crabalocker/?

VOTE: Vertigo

I was already scumreading you

WW, you have 23 posts, all are one-liners, the longest is 11 words, and the only mention of me is "N0 guilty on vertigo" when there wasn't even a N0.

you are basically talking out of your butt

Nope

WW, you have 23 posts, all are one-liners, the longest is 11 words, and the only mention of me is "N0 guilty on vertigo" when there wasn't even a N0.

you are basically talking out of your butt

Nope

You're making this too easy for me bud bud

Your post was counterfactual

Anyway Marshawn showed a tiny tiny bit of re-evalution on Crabalocker

going from Claim = ConfirmedScum to MaybeClaimTooBad MaybeUnvote

Which is decent Shows doubt in your read

So does this make you think he's town or scum? this can be taken either way.

Knowing about Whomping Willow's main, I can tell this: I've already seen his scumplay and it was very different. Contentless, yes, but with less frequent posts and more content-looking objects.

mark to self: if WW is scum, lynch aneninen. This is an unrefutable and unprovable claim in this game, and well really that ISO is really bad.

I'll join this one actually. WW doesn't look like he's trying to do anything but piss vertigo, and it's 2 days to deadline. Town wouldn't do that.

I would and am

And Vertigo is going after obvious angles on Willow

obvious as they may be, are they wrong? or are you just sayin he's obvscum?

It is you sir! Who is obvscum

You're making this too easy for me bud bud

Your post was counterfactual

oh is it? I dunno, I just said that you're doing shit and you answerd me with 'yeah'

Yes it is. No I didn't.

@Cursive 240: yes I'm backing him up. As far as I can tell, he is the most townie persona in the game, and his push on willow is completely legitimate, ISO willow.

@Aneninen 245: why would you be dead?

@Gutenbeeg 249: how can you ask me for content when a person like WW exists, AND vote neutger of us nearing deadline, in favor of a nonexistent wagon?

why am I town, and why am I the "most townie persona in the game"? and 100% agreed for the last line.

I find it suspicious that Kagamine did not cast a vote.
{Kagamine, Fault, Whomping Willow} for scumteam, remember I called it first

Scum scum interaction

I just said why. And it wasn't omgus, I was already scumreading him, I already explained this.

Vertigo and Whomping Willow are the only viable lynches, anyone not voting one of them should be.

Hint: Vote Vertigo he's scum

Sure, I can even not-summarize my case against willow.
Basically, it is the same case as Vertigo had said.

Take a look at Willow's ISO. there's 42 posts in there; you'd expect there to also be content, right?

wrong.

Just go through the ISO. I was going to say something like 'in his first X posts, he basically does nothing', but then the ISO ends, you see?
post 78, the 7th in the ISO, is the first post that one may actually claim that is not just a heap of nothing. Don't make the mistake of thinking that this post is NOT a one-liner - it IS - but it also has two quotes, so it looks like a post with some volume. his RVS post was a crab vote, which in that post he just quoted him and said 'omg real scum'.

then there's four posts with "good" "bad" "!" and "." (literally!), and a blantant refusal to actually talk. up until now - all one liners, yea? yea.

post 182 (his 17th(!!!) post) is the first post that actually has content, saying that he doesn't believe the doc claim. another 'no' post. Then there's the first time someone says that WW is doing nothing, and the first time WW answers with 'nana banana'.

AND THEN, FINALLY....vertigo starts attacking him, in post 216. It doesn't make any sense, I really don't get it, how of all this *VERTIGO* was the one who got lynched. I mean FFS, guys, there's precisely one person who actually does any scumhunting and you lynch him. This *HAS* to be because scum pushed that wagon. can anyone even tell me why they were voting vertigo?

by post 217, voth INAUFTA, Crabalocker, and vertigo have called WW for his active lurking.

in post 220, immediately after being voted by vertigo, he omgus's and starts calling vertigo scum with the excusation that "I was already scumreading you"(this is another one liner, post 223).

in his 28th post, post 243, comes his first not-one-liner post!!! WOAH! this has three quotes and three one-line answers to them. one is a response to me, explicitly admitting that he was just trying to piss vertigo, and not looking for scum; the next is to vertigo "im not scum u are", and the last is to vertigo, saying the equal to 'lalala'.

by the time he next posted, I've already voted him, so I've turned to scum too. then, there's this:

I just said why. And it wasn't omgus, I was already scumreading him, I already explained this.

This could actually be an actual post by an actual town player, if not for the fact that he did not say why, he did omgus, only said he was scumreading vertigo AFTER the attack of vertigo on him, and did not explain anything.

then I'll just drop this here

What I don't like is his vote in 221 with the only explanation (which arrived later:

"I was already scumreading you"

.) No. He was voting for Crab and calling Crab scum. Nothing about Vertigo before.

False. If you only look at one side of the story, you'll never see the whole picture, you must look to the soul within.

which is fourth person saying the same on WW, again getting a 'look to your soul' style for an answer.

how the fuck did we lynch a town cop over this.