Mini 1643: World of Mafiacraft (End)

[Ozgin]

Lol so hard at "orginz".

Anyways, I'm kinda liking shos as scum more and more as TT and shos interact.

gonna lol
what interaction are you talking about?
him rambling on stuff we've already covered and me ignoring?

this ogzin guy is definitely worth the voat

The interaction of TT bringing points to you and you kinda just saying "meh" and ignoring it.

[shos]

I've already addressed them, I believe, and they are pretty much shit. so yeah, *ignore*
I have more stuff to do than address those shitty arguments. TT's ignored a 60-page game just to follow a trail of "oh there are two peeps who replaced in and haven't done enough yet". I can't see how you can't see that.

[Titus]

Math, you rarely vote the scums as town. Your play might as well make you an honorary scum member. We all have off games but yours is nearly every game. You resist every good idea, as town. Playing with elements was really fucking bad.

Ozgin, I think Math is town but lynching her eliminates a vote the scum team wants anyway. She could be scum. Her default play is so anti town it is hard to tell.

[Titus]

I've already addressed them, I believe, and they are pretty much shit. so yeah, *ignore*
I have more stuff to do than address those shitty arguments. TT's ignored a 60-page game just to follow a trail of "oh there are two peeps who replaced in and haven't done enough yet". I can't see how you can't see that.

Well what are your reads?

[TroubledTownie]

I've already addressed them, I believe,

You haven't addressed a thing.

I have more stuff to do than address those shitty arguments. TT's ignored a 60-page game just to follow a trail of "oh there are two peeps who replaced in and haven't done enough yet". I can't see how you can't see that.

No, I've been involved for the whole game. All you've done is put up this horrible townie facade backed by the worst scumhunting of the game.

Lynch all liars, shos lies by making up crap about me, now lies about having addressed my points, all of which he's ignored.

[MathBlade]

@Ozgin -- You lied pure and simple. You said you'd vote me. No pressure in between then you didn't. If you think I am scum you should be trying to convince people.

@Titus -- Bullshit. Caught you and Mala when I replaced in on DLP and caught Alch d1 with a funky post. That was the last two games. I agree when I was learning forum mafia I was off. Oh and when I caught you last time you tried saying "It's MathBlade she's never right."

Look again same damn thing. If you think he is town defend him and say why. Don't attack the attacker and doubt cast me. It only hurts town at best. At worst you are trying to defend Ozgin without trying to be aligned to him.

[Titus]

On day 1 you were all wgerts is scum. Titus is scum. On mafia scum, you suck.

I have defended Ozgin repeatedly, including dismantling your so called slip.

You should learn to work with others.

[MathBlade]

I said wguertz or Alch but went after wguertz b/c top scumspect of ye of bad memory but am I perfect no.

I am working with others in that the explanation of why not a scumslip is crap. I try to convince people of my point. Whereas you are too busy doubt casting me than providing any useful argument for town. And no you really haven't defended Oz at all.

Titus and Ozgin.

[Titus]

Tough shit. Provide more than he slipped and you will get more of a defense.

Or you could realize Shos has provided no content and be useful.

[shos]

I've already addressed them, I believe, and they are pretty much shit. so yeah, *ignore*
I have more stuff to do than address those shitty arguments. TT's ignored a 60-page game just to follow a trail of "oh there are two peeps who replaced in and haven't done enough yet". I can't see how you can't see that.

Well what are your reads?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p6620645

I've already addressed them, I believe,

You haven't addressed a thing.

I have more stuff to do than address those shitty arguments. TT's ignored a 60-page game just to follow a trail of "oh there are two peeps who replaced in and haven't done enough yet". I can't see how you can't see that.

No, I've been involved for the whole game. All you've done is put up this horrible townie facade backed by the worst scumhunting of the game.

Lynch all liars, shos lies by making up crap about me, now lies about having addressed my points, all of which he's ignored.

But I haven't been here the whole game. in the part of the where I *have* been here, aka page 60+ or so, you haven't done shit but complaining about me and mollie, one at a time or both. it's like the 'whole game' didn't happen!

and re: what I have done, what do you mean 'townie facade'? last I checked, I was defending mollie from your bullshit for a long while; and I read up from page 43 and onwards, and from that I got a scumread on you, a townread on kiwi and a townread on math. the fact that you pushed me and mollie like a duckface only helped promote my read on you.

and you clearly have no idea what lying means. I *lie* by making up crap on you? learn your english, lol.

[TroubledTownie]

But I haven't been here the whole game. in the part of the where I *have* been here, aka page 60+ or so, you haven't done shit but complaining about me and mollie, one at a time or both. it's like the 'whole game' didn't happen!

and re: what I have done, what do you mean 'townie facade'? last I checked, I was defending mollie from your bullshit for a long while; and I read up from page 43 and onwards, and from that I got a scumread on you, a townread on kiwi and a townread on math. the fact that you pushed me and mollie like a duckface only helped promote my read on you.

and you clearly have no idea what lying means. I *lie* by making up crap on you? learn your english, lol.

You've ignored every point I've made, and continue to just make shit up.

You never explained your scumread on me, until you lied about my position re:mollie. You said I was scummy for pushing for a policy lynch, but I was explicitly speaking out against one. Then you jumped to a new piece of bull, then a new one, then a new one. Like claiming that I only attack people who scumread me... complete and utter bull.

Because of the crap facade you've put up, you're my biggest scum read, so get used to it. I'm going to push until you're lynched.

You lost the chance to prove yourself a member of town long ago, you've shown literally no interest in sincere scumhunting.

You lie when you say you've responded to all my points, you literally ignored all of them.

[TroubledTownie]

and you clearly have no idea what lying means. I *lie* by making up crap on you? learn your english, lol.

EBWOP

Yes, that's called lying.

a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

If I did the same thing, and made something up about you(like, you're so scummy because you called mollie partner), then that would be a lie as well.

[TroubledTownie]

Math, how are you fixating so much on one small thing, and ignoring shos? Almost every post he's made has been complete crap, but you and others are letting him coast off that.

[MathBlade]

Because labelling something crap doesn't make it so.

Titus you and Ozgin seem to be a well oiled machine agreeing on who to attack then switching when no one agrees. First me then shos. Who next I wonder?

Titus -- Already did. Too bad you're too lazy/tunnel driven to want to read it.

[TroubledTownie]

Because labelling something crap doesn't make it so.

Titus you and Ozgin seem to be a well oiled machine agreeing on who to attack then switching when no one agrees. First me then shos. Who next I wonder?

Titus -- Already did. Too bad you're too lazy/tunnel driven to want to read it.

I've been very specific about what is crap, and why. I can't see how any townie could, or would, ignore it.

I'll look at Titus and Ozgin again, but do me a favor and look at shos. I've outlined each problem of his play twice now.

[TroubledTownie]

One point at a time then Math. I'll do all the work too.

I also find ozgin scummy for joining my wagon. At this stage pf the game, voting a replacement because they don't catch up in the way you think everyone ahould is scummy enough(TT)

shos is saying I voted him for not catching up in the way I think he should have. Here is where I voted for him:

Oh FFS, laptop crashed right before I submitted my post.

I was looking at shos' ISO, and it doesn't look very townie. Posts only naked, or effectively naked reads, on NC, kiwi, titus, Math, and myself. His only decent-looking scumhunting is his push on me, but I can't believe a townie could possibly be that lazy. Look at the reasoning he uses.

• 1 - I'm scummy for my pressure on mollie(trying to get a non-contributing slot to contribute is scummy?), because "You just dont policy lynch, is that hard? Use the info that you DO have." At no point was I pushing or encouraging a policy lynch. On the contrary, I specifically stated multiple times that I
  didn't
  want one, and that was why I was pressuring mollie to contribute or replace.
• 2 - When I pointed out his error to him(remember, this is the
  only
  reason he's provided for me being scummy), he ignores it. Completely. Now he says I'm scummy because my pressure on mollie is "just a way to appear like you're hunting scum." This is similarly ridiculous, since I never said or did anything to try and pass that off as scumhunting, and it's not the only thing I have been talking about.
• 3 - When I corrected him again, showing how mollie hadn't contributed, he starts white-knighting her by pointing to her vote on House as proof that she's playing well for town. Problem with that(which he conveniently ignores as well) is that mollie's vote was "blatantly sheeping" nero, who she pulled a town read on "out of her ass" after refusing to RTFT.
• 4 - In an ironic twist, the only other little thing he posts that vaguely resembles scumhunting, is a criticism(Appeal to Ridicule) of my insistence that mollie contribute and read the thread.

VOTE: shos

That having been said, let me ask this question: Is what shos said in 2037 crap, or not?

[TroubledTownie]

@titus, does MathBlade resist commenting or voting their scumbuddies?

[Titus]

The completed game I am aware of she death tunneled her buddy.

[kiwieagle]

fuzzy and ap should seriously come because they are getting a free pass especially fuzzy

[kiwieagle]

VOTE: fuzzylogic

distracted by ozgin the scumbuddy right when I was about to put pressure and then he just goes poof.

[kiwieagle]

also I feel tt is making better points than shos but shos like tumbled into the game and is trying to get up but tt kicks him back down

still if I had to choose I would vote shos

[TroubledTownie]

also I feel tt is making better points than shos but shos like tumbled into the game and is trying to get up but tt kicks him back down

still if I had to choose I would vote shos

BS. He's making stuff up about me, refuting that isn't 'kicking him down'.

If he wanted to get up, he would stop using made-up reasons to vote me, and he would have a response for my calling out his crap. Instead, he just ignores it.

[Titus]

also I feel tt is making better points than shos but shos like tumbled into the game and is trying to get up but tt kicks him back down

still if I had to choose I would vote shos

The last part doesn't sound true Kiwi. You had every option to vote Shos. Shos is the leading wagon.

I don't like Fuzzy not posting any more than you do but it can be circumstantial.

AP also is not posting anywhere either.

Can we get prods?

[kiwieagle]

Yeah, I mean I don't want to vote shos. But I feel that if I had to choose between shos and TT I would vote shos.
How doesn't that sound true lol?

[MathBlade]

Response in the quote b/c phone posting

One point at a time then Math. I'll do all the work too.

I also find ozgin scummy for joining my wagon. At this stage pf the game, voting a replacement because they don't catch up in the way you think everyone ahould is scummy enough(TT)

shos is saying I voted him for not catching up in the way I think he should have. Here is where I voted for him:

Oh FFS, laptop crashed right before I submitted my post.

I was looking at shos' ISO, and it doesn't look very townie. Posts only naked, or effectively naked reads, on NC, kiwi, titus, Math, and myself. His only decent-looking scumhunting is his push on me, but I can't believe a townie could possibly be that lazy. Look at the reasoning he uses.

• 1 - I'm scummy for my pressure on mollie(trying to get a non-contributing slot to contribute is scummy?), because "You just dont policy lynch, is that hard? Use the info that you DO have." At no point was I pushing or encouraging a policy lynch. On the contrary, I specifically stated multiple times that I
  didn't
  want one, and that was why I was pressuring mollie to contribute or replace.
• 2 - When I pointed out his error to him(remember, this is the
  only
  reason he's provided for me being scummy), he ignores it. Completely. Now he says I'm scummy because my pressure on mollie is "just a way to appear like you're hunting scum." This is similarly ridiculous, since I never said or did anything to try and pass that off as scumhunting, and it's not the only thing I have been talking about.
• 3 - When I corrected him again, showing how mollie hadn't contributed, he starts white-knighting her by pointing to her vote on House as proof that she's playing well for town. Problem with that(which he conveniently ignores as well) is that mollie's vote was "blatantly sheeping" nero, who she pulled a town read on "out of her ass" after refusing to RTFT.
• 4 - In an ironic twist, the only other little thing he posts that vaguely resembles scumhunting, is a criticism(Appeal to Ridicule) of my insistence that mollie contribute and read the thread.

VOTE: shos

That having been said, let me ask this question: Is what shos said in 2037 crap, or not?

No I don't think it is total crap. I think what you are saying is out of context.

1) IMO it isn't that you're scummy for poking Molloe it is that you were doing it to the exclusion of all others. It feels like you are just throwing stuff around and hoping it sticks and I don't like it.
2) I think he counters when someone misrep a pretty well actually.
3) Most replacements I know don't read the thread. Sometimes they just do VCA and move on if that especially one that size. People are allowed to have gut reads.
4) I think shos is doing a lot more Scumhunting than you give credit for. Dominating the thread like what you are doing doesn't necessarily mean Scumhunting.