Open 587 - Nightless Vengeful Mayhem [Game Over]

[Wisdom]

Vote Count 2.6

theslimer3 (3)

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pisskop, Green Crayons, Morgan

TheCow (2)

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texcat, BBMolla

Herodotus (1)

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Sup-Zero

Not Voting:

theslimer3, TheCow, Herodotus

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2015-03-01 01:15:23).

[pisskop]

I don't want to rely too much on this post because it could have included distancing, but it's enough for me to UNVOTE: theslimer3.

Damnit Hero.

[Sup-Zero]

Catching up tomorrow.

[theslimer3]

Theslimer3 ignores all three of the major pushes (vett, albert, teapot): http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p6587440

I wasn't on any of the wagons. What's that suppose to mean? Just because I'm not mainstream means that I'm scum for some reason?

It's not that you weren't on the wagons. My issue is that you didn't state an opinion on any of vett, albert, or teapot.

What?
Your logic fails to make any sense to me and is vaguely explained as if you want to continue this wagon on.

I don't understand your question. But I don't feel comfortable with your decision to vote for Teapot when your only mention of him is that he's testy and you're not sure his testiness is scum motivated.

@theslimer3: You said your questions have been ignored, but do you have any questions right now?
And a question for you: do you think that anyone voting you is intentionally trying to mislynch?

Well it'd probably be nice if you went back and answered something I've asked you. They still carry relevancy in investigation.

Searching for my name in your ISO, I see one question you have asked me before your last post, and I've already answered it. Who has been ignoring your questions, and why aren't you voting them?

1. Can you really say that's scummy at all? I don't normally say my opinion on anything for that matter. Just because I don't say something doesn't mean I have some ulterior motive of throwing the discussion off or trying to veer off it, so this speculation just seems pointless to me.
2. The deadline was coming up and I had already stated that I wouldn't want ABR lynched (which I was right about his non-gamble btw). Why on earth would I just vote on someone new when I wanted to keep ABR alive, which I've acknowledged as probably town.
3. Well I guess I didn't look hard enough for them to not see them, and unlike you all I don't vote someone for not answering a question (or being there to answer that question for that matter). In fact I'm pretty sparce with my votes if you haven't noticed.

Also still @Slimer, did you miss my questions? I saw your answer about Sup, but didn't see anything about Tea, nka GreenCrayons.

Neut on Tea, except that DayVig. It's possible that he was the one behind that, but there's no proof for that.
I don't like GC though. He voted for Pissop for pretty much a feeling and something that seems off. He also voted me because... Well I'm inactive. And dressed it up to make it seem like it's just a scummy motive behind it. Also It's been noted before that I'm scummy because I'm inactive. Quite possibly a piggyback.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TheCow

Slimer and Cow interactions with vettrock are like identical.

Looking back in my ISO, I have NO interaction with Vettrock (except for one post). What are you even talking about here?

@slimer:

is Post 661 your usual posting style? Several quotes followed by blocks to text?

No. But considering I have to catch up every time I get a chance to get on, there's really no choice for me now is there?

slimer: only problem I see is what could be considered active lurking (maybe due to real life issues, so not really alignment indicative), with using a bunch of catchup posts that, uncharitably, could be said are being used to look more active than she actually is. But maybe that's just because I have only skimmed the most recent pages and so haven't really delved into her posts.

How does one actively lurk then pretend to be more active than one really is? If I'm doing catchup posts, then clearly I'm not trying to seem active. I'm trying to stay relevant.

So, two biggest problems I see with slimer.

1.

Misdirection/fake contribution, telling town to look at a specific archaebob's post in order to divine why arch was killed, but refuses to actually provide any content on that point. Post 555.

2.

Her posting frequently/format resembles that of scum. She'll go inactive, come back with a massive quote/respond post, have a smattering of smaller posts, and then go inactive again for a few days. The inactive - sudden activity flurry - then inactive again allows her to not be in the center of thread consciousness. Her massive quote/respond posts make her look active, but most folks will probably only skim, and therefore she evades real scrutiny.

I'd be very very surprised if both hero and slimer were town

I also agree with this.

1.

I really don't understand

why that shot was fired.

This means that I'm speculating that there's a theory linked to something, but I have no way of making the actual link.

2. Hey, I have a theory for you. It's just a theory, and it miiiiiiiiiiiiight sound a littttttle farfetched, but I think that maaaybe that's actual inactivity. I mean... Maybe. Juuuust maybe. If someone else... Hope I didn't lose ya there... If someone else was unable to post frequently too... They may just have a little less posts all around, and more posts in one go. Juuuuust a theory. Thanks for giving it a lookie though!~

I'm not sure Sup is the best vengekill, although I'm not sure who is better. I'm leaning towards that not mattering since scum don't get a vengekill, but as this is D1, the probability of being wrong is still pretty high. Going with the lurkers: TheCow or slimer is one option. Teapot would give us some information as the other major wagon. It will be easier to determine when we actually see you flip, as us debating who the vengekill would be is potentially influencing scum voting (or even town that doesn't want to get killed even if they are scum reading ABR).

Looking back at vettrock's suggested targets for the venge kill makes theslimer a bit less suspicious. My first intuition says scum would generally tend to want to mention the names of townies, whether recommending against shooting them (sup-zero) or suggesting them (cow, slimer, teapot).

The comment about killing Teapot giving information -- if Teapot was scum, then that information would be positive for Morgan, texcat, thecow, and theslimer3 for their votes, and probably for vettrock for Teapot's vote. It would also be negative for the people who voted Albert - pisskop, vettrock, BBMolla, me. If Teapot was town, the information would only be that the main wagons toward the end of the day were town-town, and it would eliminate the person saying that vettrock was town for out of game reasons. Losing a buddy doesn't seem worth it to reveal a bus early that could have been revealed later, but Teapot wasn't a beneficial mis-vig for vettrock either. I think vettrock just included Teapot because he thought the suggestion would sound pro-town. Overall, this is a positive for Green Crayons.

I don't want to rely too much on this post because it could have included distancing, but it's enough for me to UNVOTE: theslimer3.

Personally I don't think naming who he thinks would be a good vig would entail that he would vig one of his scum buddies. I don't mean to debunk your reason of unvoting me, but personally, I don't think scum would care to say who because the WiFoM isn't too important that it'll be carried on.

vettrock probably mentioned slimer because it'd be weird to call out some lurkers but not others.

VOTE: slimer

Should be the third vote or something.

What even makes you all think I am lurking?


VOTE: BBMolla
I'm willing to bet here is where a scum lies

[BBmolla]

Looking back in my ISO, I have NO interaction with Vettrock (except for one post). What are you even talking about here?

Cool, glad we agree.

[Green Crayons]

Can we please move on this, now?

[Green Crayons]

BBmolla. Hero. Sup. Seriously. 728.

1. Super wall of "this looks like contribution, right?" Further reinforced by the fact that she keeps speaking but isn't saying anything.

2.

What She Said:

"Can you really say that's scummy at all? I don't normally say my opinion on anything for that matter. Just because I don't say something doesn't mean I have some ulterior motive of throwing the discussion off or trying to veer off it, so this speculation just seems pointless to me."

What She Means:

"No, this isn't scummy, trust me, I just always play anti-town."

3. "Teapot/GC is suspicious because <weak reasons>. However, I shall vote for someone who has no traction because that is safe."

[Green Crayons]

Also, I want to see slimer's flip because pisskop, holy crap.

[pisskop]

Also, I want to see slimer's flip because pisskop, holy crap.

Slimer's flip makes or breaks me as scumz? Meh, I can live with that. Let's Lynch It.

[Green Crayons]

Not quite that extreme, but I will double down or back off for a long while depending upon the flip.

[texcat]

I am not feeling the Slimer lynch, especially now that GCrayons seems to be pushing it so hard. Slimer has not been nearly as active as I would have liked, but I don't think he's been particularly scummy when he's been here.

I don't know what the Cow situation is, but I don't suppose that lynch is going anywhere.

Teapot was my preferred lynch yesterday, and GC replaced in and threw suspicions around, mostly based on replaced a few posts by replaced out players. He seems to have finally found one that stuck, but he's already preparing for the mislynch, throwing the blame off on Pisskop.

VOTE: Green Crayons

[Green Crayons]

texcat loves defending pisskop.

[Green Crayons]

If slimer flips scum, pisskop is likely town.

If pisskop is town, texcat is more likely to be scum.

Lynch slimer, let's see if this logic chain has teeth to it.

[pisskop]

You're forgetting the part where you and Tex have dichotomous alignments.
. Also Text is probs the dayvig.

[Green Crayons]

"dichotomous alignments"

???

[Wisdom]

Titus replaces TheCow, effective immediately.

[Titus]

Meep. Time to look at wagons.

[Titus]

"dichotomous alignments"

???

Opposing alignments.

[Titus]

vettrock (4)

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archaebob, Albert B. Rampage,

Sup-Zero, Teapot

Albert B. Rampage (4)

- droog, Zymf, Astinus,

vettrock

Not Voting: theslimer3,

TheCow,

Morgan

Before reading, I'm inclined not to lynch Sup-Zero or Teapot, now GC.

[Titus]

If slimer flips scum, pisskop is likely town.

If pisskop is town, texcat is more likely to be scum.

Lynch slimer, let's see if this logic chain has teeth to it.

You're forgetting the part where you and Tex have dichotomous alignments.
. Also Text is probs the dayvig.

Why?

[Titus]

Looking back in my ISO, I have NO interaction with Vettrock (except for one post). What are you even talking about here?

Cool, glad we agree.

This is wrong. Slimer and Vettock had interactions, even if they weren't direct with each other.

I looked through his ISO and he wants Texcat before Vettock and subtly tries to push the wagon away from there despite limited direct interaction.

[pisskop]

Show where? TheCow didn't inspire confidence.

I looked At Texcat login time directly after the Vig. She logged in 10 minutes before.

[pisskop]

This is wrong. Slimer and Vettock had interactions, even if they weren't direct with each other.
I looked through his ISO and he wants Texcat before Vettock and subtly tries to push the wagon away from there despite limited direct interaction.

Show where? TheCow didn't inspire confidence.


In Answer to your !:

I looked At Texcat login time directly after the Vig. She logged in 10 minutes before.[/quote]

[Titus]

#189, Texcat should be lynched before Vettrock. Given Vettrock was not the dayvig, if Slimer flips scum, Texcat is almost certainly town. He also avoids giving direct comment on the ABR and Vettock wagons here.
#76 Slimer and Vettock both push no real leads yet, but don't have interaction to determine alignment with each other. They both act as if they are both looking for scumslips to push, despite no clues. Huh?
#248 post trying to link someone as scum with Vett for putting ABR at L-1 (not sure who solely by looking at the ISO)
#555 implies that ABR's shot is something to be feared and a voter changed because they did not fear ABR's shot anymore. This implies town ABR. Someone who thought ABR was scum wouldn't fear a vengeshot on day 1.

[Titus]

Texcat login is a null tell. The vig shot depends just as much on mod availability as submissions.

VOTE: slimer3