Mini 1643: World of Mafiacraft (End)

[shos]

*pagetop*

lol

[Titus]

@AngryPidgeon, please fucking vote. No more words without taking a stand.

I am voting.

vote out the scums based on something more than a slip and disagreement.

I dont see why you think Ozgin is town. And more worrisome, I dont see why you are snubbing a slip-case.

I like Kiwi push on me. I have been kinda lurking though it has been bc I have been kinda stuck. I don't see scum going after someone who is harder to lynch, I don't see me being likely lynched today. The push honestly feels like he suspects me for some reason.
I am thinking Kiwi might be town but I am not too terribly sure right now. His push on me seems to be from a town POV inho.

This is a ton of words but no real reason for them.

Deadline is in about 4 days I believe as I think deadlines are one week long...

Uhhh, why are you blatantly misrepping the DL with shos at L - 1?

Who are you voting for then? I don't know/

There's no reason to think Ozgin is scum. The so called slip case is wrong. I wouldn't snub as slip case if Ozgin had actually slipped. Just because you make cases based on behavior that does not mean you have to approve all cases based on behavior.

I also wasn't misrepping the deadline. I was figuring out when it was. I don't think anyone would have felt pressured to hammer even on my mistaken 4 day deadline.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: TFL

Still more confident here than anywhere else so I'mma help Kiwi out.

*sigh* Titus can't be bothered to look at people's ISOs. She usually isn't that lazy as town :/

I am telling you it is Titus Ozgin scum :/

[Titus]

Wow another doubt cast Math.

Ozgin's ISO is a town iso. What figments do you think are there?

[MathBlade]

Wow another doubt cast Math.

Ozgin's ISO is a town iso. What figments do you think are there?

My point exactly. You could have looked at the last three posts of AP's ISO to determine who he was voting. Instead you didn't.

Furthermore, you defend Ozgin naked again after me asking you why they are town multiple times. Each one is naked. Furthermore, you just label his ISO town without any points when you can't be bothered to read AP's ISO makes me think you aren't reading any and therefore you and Ozgin scum.

[Titus]

I am not looking over an ISO to determine who AP is voting for when I can ask and get more fresh relevant content.

I have said Ozhin is town because there is no reason to think they are scum. You are naked attacking. Your slip is disproven. I am not going through an ISO to make a strawman. If you think there's scummy behavior, tell me what specifically Ishould be looking for.

[MathBlade]

1) Ohhh but you will look over another player's posts in ISO even though it takes more time? Took me a whole sixty seconds to find who AP is voting for.

2) No you don't get more fresh relevant content. RTFT.

3) I see how it is I provide arguments and again you are too lazy to read them or look at my ISO so you ask me to do it again. Why would I when you have already said you don't read posts? :/ I don't waste my time on futility.

[kiwieagle]

If tt wants to be consistent with his attacks titus would have to be a suspect too

[kiwieagle]

"Wtf kiwi wheres your sources??"
"Stfu bitch"

I never read on subbing in anymore. It's a waste of time.

I am doing plenty.

[TroubledTownie]

If tt wants to be consistent with his attacks titus would have to be a suspect too

For what? Not reading the thread?

[kiwieagle]

"Kiwi what ludicrous claims.."

I don't see why.

On a scale from 1-10, a player lurking is about a 2. Things like elusive's over-defensiveness and Math's desire to push a lynch without easily-obtainable information are about a 6. You don't focus on the small kinda-maybe-ish reasons when you have large much-more-likely reasons.

I am having a hard time engaging with the game and have said so and have reached out to the players that I know so how exactly is this scumlurking?

If you're town, you're not doing us any favors. It's up to you to get in the game. If you can't do that, replace out. I'd much rather have a townie who reads the thread and contributes.

If you continue just posting, essentially, prod dodges, then I'm gonna take that as a scum tell.

I find the way that TT and fuzzy attack mollie scummy. It is hard ebough to replace into a 40-page game, moreso now that it is 70. The sinple answer to yiu two is give us time. You just dont policy lynch, is that hard? Use the info that you DO have.

Mollie, joon me on TT. Ive gotten a scumread on him earlier too.
VOTE: troubledTownie

I agree, you don't just policy lynch.

That's why I haven't been pushing a policy lynch.

Yes, it's hard to replace into a 40-page game, but mollie refuses to read those 40 pages, then complains about not knowing what's going on. Please, explain to me how that's not anti-town? I don't want to PL her, I want her to contribute or replace out.

Do you always play this bad? You think it's scummy that I don't like anti-town behavior?

No, but I think the level of delegitimization and attention you gave mollie for simply not playing

how you want

is just a way to appear like you're hunting scum.

FIFY

You're being ridiculous. I'm not focusing only on mollie, but

I will not leave a player alone if they refuse to RTFT, and don't contribute

. In the last 10 days, she's basically done nothing but prod-dodge.

It sucks having to wait for players to catch up. I want Math lynched, but I need you and mollie to read through Math's play in D1 before we can discuss it.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok... I knew ABR had posted ingame stuff outside the game but I didn't know he tried to contact Pirate....Somehow I missed that part.

No one ever said it, but you can kind of piece it together if you read her posts.

There votes are exactly the same starting with 1.6
Maybe its me but there is something fishy there

I think its pretty unlikely that scum would do something so blatantly coordinated. Most people tend to try and avoid doing what their buddies are doign because they dont want to be connected so easily. I'd maybe buy one of these being scum though.

I haven't seen him attack anyone that isn't me or PM the entire last 40 pages. basically, it's like the 40 pages we weren't here weren't there. he keeps saying that is false but all he points out is to before that.

Frankly and/or objectively, I agree with you about what TT is doing, but I don't think its scummy exactly. I kind of like the conviction he has, it reads like he really believes what hes saying and he looks confirmation biasy to boot. I might revisit him at some point, but I don't really want to lynch him Today, Nero aside.

Alright so ive been thonking in bed and i think this deserves the immediate phonepost.

I'm glad shos makes posts like this because they remind me that hes town.

Amount of time and effort invested by TT is way too much to be faked.

Ya, this is kind of where I'm at with him.

Titus seems to understand that we could have a pretty hard time getting a lynch today, and is trying to move town in that direction.

Disagree? She misrepresented the deadline and she isn't interested in compromising at all. Its aggression sure, but I wouldn't say she is worried about or fixing a NL scenario.

I am not looking over an ISO to determine who AP is voting for when I can ask and get more fresh relevant content.

LOL. Yes let me restate my entire ISO in the thread again then. Or I could just direct you to relevant posts:
1611
1613
1911
1912
1915

[TroubledTownie]

"Kiwi what ludicrous claims.."

You could just answer the question. I'm guessing you think I should be suspicious of titus for not reading the thread... but titus is contributing.

[AngryPidgeon]

Kiwi and TT's attitudes read pretty town. They are both being spazzy and transparent in a way that screams town to me.

I feel pretty confident about these 2.

I've been thinking that math and Shos are town. Math I'm definitely a little biased towards because I agree with her Ozgin pressure and I kind of lean towards Titus's interaction with her being S/T. Shos is more gut at this point, I liked that his opinion on TT mirrored my feelings a bit. I thought his entire progression on that slot, starting with the Nero NK spec looked really natural.

TFL/Ozgin/Titus/mollie-slot are my picks for scum. Mollie read not really that strong in hindsight and I want to see something from the replacement. Kind of becoming a potential PoE read at this point.

[TroubledTownie]

AP, you don't have any problem with all the crap shos made up to attack me with?

[AngryPidgeon]

AP, you don't have any problem with all the crap shos made up to attack me with?

What is his scum motivation for making stuff up just to take it back all of a sudden? Do you think he is backpedaling because the house of cards he built for himself is tumbling down. OMG how could he not have foreseen factually incorrect data being shotdown.

Honestly I kind of see his progression on you as the towniest thing about him.

[MathBlade]

Kiwi and TT's attitudes read pretty town. They are both being spazzy and transparent in a way that screams town to me.

I feel pretty confident about these 2.

I've been thinking that math and Shos are town. Math I'm definitely a little biased towards because I agree with her Ozgin pressure and I kind of lean towards Titus's interaction with her being S/T. Shos is more gut at this point, I liked that his opinion on TT mirrored my feelings a bit. I thought his entire progression on that slot, starting with the Nero NK spec looked really natural.

TFL/Ozgin/Titus/mollie-slot are my picks for scum. Mollie read not really that strong in hindsight and I want to see something from the replacement. Kind of becoming a potential PoE read at this point.

Awesome. Then we lynch either Titus or Ozgin today (prefer Ozgin but Titus as a backup) and if either of them lynch scum then come after me. As I'm town and I'm that sure about my Titus/Ozgin reads it will help.

[TroubledTownie]

AP, you don't have any problem with all the crap shos made up to attack me with?

What is his scum motivation for making stuff up just to take it back all of a sudden? Do you think he is backpedaling because the house of cards he built for himself is tumbling down. OMG how could he not have foreseen factually incorrect data being shotdown.

Honestly I kind of see his progression on you as the towniest thing about him.

He didn't take it back, he's just ignored corrections.

What's the town motivation for making stuff up?

[AngryPidgeon]

I don't think he made anything up. I think he misremembered some things.

Yes he did take it back because he called you town! I mean why go through all that hoopla as scum just to do that? I can see that coming from town way more.

[TroubledTownie]

I don't think he made anything up. I think he misremembered some things.

Yes he did take it back because he called you town! I mean why go through all that hoopla as scum just to do that? I can see that coming from town way more.

No, he didn't take a single accusation back. If he just misremembered, then why didn't he acknowledge when I corrected him, with quotes? He just made up new crap over and over again.

Yeah, he did finally call me town, I'm guessing he found out his push against me wasn't going anywhere, but he never once acknowledged that he had been lying and misrepping me this whole time.

I think he was thinking I would be an easy lynch. Nero was scumreading me(and he tried to use Nero's death against me, as if I were actually worried about someone who acknowledged he was conf-biasing against me), others had voiced suspicion of me...

Your defense of him is lame. Town doesn't just misremember, and keep pushing when they get corrected. Town would say something like 'Oh, my bad'.

[AngryPidgeon]

Nero was scumreading me(and he tried to use Nero's death against me, as if I were actually worried about someone who acknowledged he was conf-biasing against me), others had voiced suspicion of me...

I did this too....

I still think you make the most sense for the Nero kill, but I'm townreading you outside of that.

Alright, I'll look over Shos. What do youthink of Titus's interactions with him?

[MathBlade]

Oh you mean how my lynch wasn't going anywhere and you and Titus both abandoned me and Titus's only provided reason for town reading me is that I don't do what she wants. She selectively reads Ozgin's ISOs and not AP's yet you don't attack her again? When she does the same things you attack shos for if I believe you (which I don't)

[MathBlade]

Ebwop my post is @TT

[TroubledTownie]

Nero was scumreading me(and he tried to use Nero's death against me, as if I were actually worried about someone who acknowledged he was conf-biasing against me), others had voiced suspicion of me...

I did this too....

I still think you make the most sense for the Nero kill, but I'm townreading you outside of that.

Alright, I'll look over Shos. What do youthink of Titus's interactions with him?

I must have missed that.

Titus seems to have picked up on what I picked up on regarding shos, I haven't noticed any problems.

[TroubledTownie]

Oh you mean how my lynch wasn't going anywhere and you and Titus both abandoned me and Titus's only provided reason for town reading me is that I don't do what she wants. She selectively reads Ozgin's ISOs and not AP's yet you don't attack her again? When she does the same things you attack shos for if I believe you (which I don't)

Please quote what you're referencing if it's not like the immediate previous post.

I don't know why you're talking to me about Titus' reasons for townreading you, I think you're scummy.

Titus hasn't done what shos did, I can't believe you still don't get this. I never attacked shos for not reading the thread or not contributing. Titus should have just looked at AP's ISO to see where his vote was, sure, but there's nothing scummy about asking instead.

I attacked shos for misrepping me consistently, making up crap consistently, ignoring corrections consistently, and pushing a lynch because of a supposed pattern I've followed in this game(without checking to see if that pattern actually existed).

For your point to be valid, titus would have needed to scumread somebody for their behavior in the early game, while simultaneously admitting she hadn't read the early game. That's obviously scummy.