We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[BRantz]

*he looks over to brats and sees hes on his phone*

"YOU, CLAIM YE NEIGHBORS"

You callin me a brat?

I'm not in a neighborhood, I just see no town reason to claim what ice claimed and to demand all people in a neighborhood claim.

[Om of the Nom]

oh
ok so my issue with oranje is just the reluctance to participate and then all of a sudden he just does a 180 and starts talkin about the game like its nothing

[copper223]

honestly right now its sounding like ur making excuses to townread my scumreads esp with drixx there

just list me ur scumreads apart from me with optional blurbs and then we can talk my friend

And why would you think that?

- I am leaning scum on Mastin (hence the commonwealth) for strongly townreading Oz. early on without giving much of a reason, the last time we played she got away as SK throwing reads without giving reasons so if I don't see explainations to back-up what she is saying I'll happily lynch her.

- I am not too fond of narninian's posting, 135 in particular indicates to me he may be more interested in setup spec rather than finding scum.

Like you I am also waiting for some of the inactive players to post, for some of them it's unusual not to have done so already, yes I'm talking to you Boon, and I am still mulling over what I think about Vonflair (whose playstile I unfortunately already dislike) and Ozgin.

[deathfisaro]

@death:
That's literally all you have to respond to?

JUST came out of a game involving copper223, drixx, Reubus, Dani and Lucianroy. I thought I'd start with these people since I have some data to cross reference their plays in this game.
Or were you asking me something else?

I like copper's reasoning behind testing the night skip N1. Ideally the nightskip triggers and we have a practically conftown.
But I just find it odd you'll appear as mafia when investigated. Is this type of PR used reasonably often enough to take his word? I've never come across such sort before.

[copper223]

Miller is not uncommon.

[Om of the Nom]

honestly right now its sounding like ur making excuses to townread my scumreads esp with drixx there

just list me ur scumreads apart from me with optional blurbs and then we can talk my friend

And why would you think that?

bc they sound more impulsive as opposed to logically thought out and it just feels like a kneejerk reaction

- I am leaning scum on Mastin (hence the commonwealth) for strongly townreading Oz. early on without giving much of a reason, the last time we played she got away as SK throwing reads without giving reasons so if I don't see explainations to back-up what she is saying I'll happily lynch her.

- I am not too fond of narninian's posting, 135 in particular indicates to me he may be more interested in setup spec rather than finding scum.

Like you I am also waiting for some of the inactive players to post, for some of them it's unusual not to have done so already, yes I'm talking to you Boon, and I am still mulling over what I think about Vonflair (whose playstile I unfortunately already dislike) and Ozgin.

im not agreeing with the mastin read but im not challenging it either, im rllyy bad at reading her so im just gonna abstain now and let others sort it out

see my issue with that reason for narninian is that while narninian has been lackluster in producing content other than semi-related remarks, i dont get a bad gut vibe from his posts and i also think soren is the offender in the interaction you pointed out. i think narnininaininaina is the kind of player who becomes sortable towards the end of the day as opposed to earlygame

i think vonflare is more likely to be scum than not and i think ozgin is pretty dang town

[BRantz]

oh
ok so my issue with oranje is just the reluctance to participate and then all of a sudden he just does a 180 and starts talkin about the game like its nothing

Where do you feel oranje was reluctant to participate? It looks to me like he has been participating since the game started.

[copper223]

bc they sound more impulsive as opposed to logically thought out and it just feels like a kneejerk reaction

That's a very curious statement considering I was paraphrasing from my notes there and it's really hard to call my Lucian read in particular impulsive, some pages and 1 day later.

see my issue with that reason for narninian is that while narninian has been lackluster in producing content other than semi-related remarks, i dont get a bad gut vibe from his posts and i also think soren is the offender in the interaction you pointed out. i think narnininaininaina is the kind of player who becomes sortable towards the end of the day as opposed to earlygame

i think vonflare is more likely to be scum than not and i think ozgin is pretty dang town

I haven't play with narninian so that may well be the case (about when to sort him), for now his play looks more scum than town indicative.

If you think Oz is pretty dang town then you should be contesting my Mastin read, as it's based on me not getting why Oz is pretty dang town or worthy of a chainsaw defence. Why does he look town to you?

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Oh, hey, mafblack when logged in!

I should synch with my hydra partners and read the thread soon.

-Venusaur.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Speaking of which,
VOTE: Drixx.

I have other reads a plenty, but I want to communicate with my hydra partners about 'em first. Lotsa goodstuff on the early page, and also stuff not so sure about.

But I do insist on this.

-Venusaur.

[Om of the Nom]

oh
ok so my issue with oranje is just the reluctance to participate and then all of a sudden he just does a 180 and starts talkin about the game like its nothing

Where do you feel oranje was reluctant to participate? It looks to me like he has been participating since the game started.

the whole spiel about im not going to do anything until it actually becomes meaningful bc of votes and then he goes against his word right after that despite the game not actually moving into a vote-counting phase

bc they sound more impulsive as opposed to logically thought out and it just feels like a kneejerk reaction

That's a very curious statement considering I was paraphrasing from my notes there and it's really hard to call my Lucian read in particular impulsive, some pages and 1 day later.

the lucian read is ur most thought out read imo so im lettin u slide on that and also ur geurts read but the soren read and drixx reads are not vry good

see my issue with that reason for narninian is that while narninian has been lackluster in producing content other than semi-related remarks, i dont get a bad gut vibe from his posts and i also think soren is the offender in the interaction you pointed out. i think narnininaininaina is the kind of player who becomes sortable towards the end of the day as opposed to earlygame

i think vonflare is more likely to be scum than not and i think ozgin is pretty dang town

I haven't play with narninian so that may well be the case (about when to sort him), for now his play looks more scum than town indicative.

If you think Oz is pretty dang town then you should be contesting my Mastin read, as it's based on me not getting why Oz is pretty dang town or worthy of a chainsaw defence. Why does he look town to you?

oz is basically gut read but also ever so slightly tied in with the fact that i dont like nearly everyone that was involved in the earlygame wagon thing
i havent seen anything of his that ticks the scum clock in my mind so i am ok with the townread on him and i actually feel vry strongly about this

[Om of the Nom]

Speaking of which,
VOTE: Drixx.

I have other reads a plenty, but I want to communicate with my hydra partners about 'em first. Lotsa goodstuff on the early page, and also stuff not so sure about.

But I do insist on this.

-Venusaur.

i like this im going to join u
VOTE: Drixx

[copper223]

When you can give me a read which is not based on how your gut feels about it we can talk about how well developped mine are...

[Om of the Nom]

sorry that u think gut reads are not legitimate, i hope you find the light soon
im praying for u

[Oranje Crush]

Have we considered that BBmolla may have an ability that charges with votes?
And that it could be mafia?
No, I thought not.

[copper223]

@Om
I think they are a good starting point, but since this game is also about convincing the rest of us of the merit of said reads I always try to figure out why my gut is telling me what it is and to verbalise it as soon as possible.

@Oranje
Yes, but I have very seldom seen a scum ability that it is worth getting lynched for in order to activate so I am not too worried about that.

[Om of the Nom]

ok great so we're on the same page then
any more questions copper?

[Oranje Crush]

Copper's it's a bastard game, mods make abilities which force the player to play awkwardly. Like mafia having to be voted to charge or activate a power (or a miller).
I don't think it's worth risking it, let Ice the so called day-cop investigate him. That would be a start, then if we have any role-cops (likely) they can avoid the miller and see BB's abilities.

[copper223]

@Om
Nope, I'd say it's more likely we just disagree on some of our reads for now.

[Om of the Nom]

there we go
this is the conclusion you've been needing to make the entire time
glad i could be of service :)

[Drixx]

@Copper - You immediately noticed that I was behaving differently. That's the point. Feel free to look at my profile and check my games to date on site. My guess is you'll be able to see a different approach at work in each game. That's intentional so that I am not immediately identifiable as {VT/PRT/VS/PRS}, and also because I'm experimenting and figuring out the culture on the site here. I expect it to be awhile before I have any sort of easily identifiable meta that people can rely on, and I don't think it's at all alignment indicative since I freely say that I'm doing it on purpose as soon as I get into a game.

Why not establish an easy to identify VT meta and just imitate that when you're not VT?
Considering how many people saw your VT play (and it was good too) I'm not sure why you'd throw away the opportunity.
Perhaps... it's because you can't do a good town play because you aren't one =)?

Ask Copper whether I can fake town when I'm scum or not. On the other hand, I might not want to antagonize him too much ... after all, he gave me a brilliant compliment last page. The starting phase of large games is quite amusing around here.

[copper223]

Copper's it's a bastard game, mods make abilities which force the player to play awkwardly. Like mafia having to be voted to charge or activate a power (or a miller).
I don't think it's worth risking it, let Ice the so called day-cop investigate him. That would be a start, then if we have any role-cops (likely) they can avoid the miller and see BB's abilities.

- Why would you want to waste a cop check on a claimed miller?
- I disagree wrt the risk assesment but that's up to you.

[BBmolla]

Have we considered that BBmolla may have an ability that charges with votes?
And that it could be mafia?
No, I thought not.

give me an example role I could have as scum that this would actually make sense go

[Oranje Crush]

Gain votes, gain a stronger power for more votes on you, vig charge up.
Shall I go on.

[BBmolla]

Okay and then the night doesn't get skipped

then what