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Post Post #250 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:14 am

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Oranje Crush wrote:I don't know, my brain felt like voting you randomly and then proceeded to think up some sarcastic fake reasoning, as must RVS votes are.


But you had a relatively non-RVS reason. You claimed he voted your townread.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Brantz
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Post Post #251 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:17 am

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Toon Fighter wrote:
In other news, and following the same line of thought, I think Never-Melt Ice needs more pressure. Even if his claim his real, I don't like how he does it immediately and without obvious motivation to do it. He could even be a Scum (Neighbor Day Cop)

So, UNVOTE: VOTE: NeverMeltIce


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Post Post #252 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:47 am

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BBmolla wrote:Honestly we should probably just wait for a cop claim or investigative claim to nightskip

Double day is a lot more useful with more information

And if I die before then I'm okay with that


I'm sure there is plenty of investigative roles, no reason to force their claim to get the night skip

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Post Post #253 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:40 am

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Oranje Crush wrote:Copper's it's a bastard game, mods make abilities which force the player to play awkwardly. Like mafia having to be voted to charge or activate a power (or a miller).
I don't think it's worth risking it, let Ice the so called day-cop investigate him. That would be a start, then if we have any role-cops (likely) they can avoid the miller and see BB's abilities.


Interesting how you say "bastard game" but automatically assumes all cops are sane.
Care to elaborate on your definition of "bastard"?
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Post Post #254 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:48 am

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Oranje Crush wrote:BB, I'm hesitant to fully trust you. I would prefer more info, your role could prove vital late game. (Like skipping a mylo, night giving us another chance.)


I'm inclined to believe bbmolla, no one would claim that role if they didn't actually have it, because its so easy to verify.
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Post Post #255 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:01 am

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@mod: is cop sanity garenteed?
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Post Post #256 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:07 am

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Narninian wrote:
BBmolla wrote:Honestly we should probably just wait for a cop claim or investigative claim to nightskip

Double day is a lot more useful with more information

And if I die before then I'm okay with that


I'm sure there is plenty of investigative roles, no reason to force their claim to get the night skip

Vote: BBMolla


he obviously meant when someone claims a guilty.
I'll give you a moment to let that sink in
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Post Post #257 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:09 am

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Narninian wrote:
BBmolla wrote:Honestly we should probably just wait for a cop claim or investigative claim to nightskip

Double day is a lot more useful with more information

And if I die before then I'm okay with that


I'm sure there is plenty of investigative roles, no reason to force their claim to get the night skip

Vote: BBMolla



There are so many things wrong with this.

Pedit: lol u2
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Post Post #258 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:15 am

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Vote Count 1.02

Three-Pronged Trouser God (2)
- vonflare, Pirate Ika
Never-melt-ice (2)
- BRantz, Toon Fighter
Drixx (2)
- Bulbasaur Commonwealth, Om of the Nom
Pirate Ika (2)
- Soren, BBmolla
vonflare (1)
- Three-Pronged Trouser God
Bulbasaur Commonwealth (1)
- copper223
Soren (1)
- Oranje Crush
Oranje Crush (1)
- Jackel98
Boonskiies (1)
- deathfisaro
deathfisaro (1)
- Drixx
ChriVi (1)
- LucianRoy
BRantz (1)
- ActionDan
BBmolla (1)
- Narninian

Not Voting (8)
: Ozgin, ChriVi, Boonskiies, PeregrineV, Cerberus v666, Never-melt-ice, VysePresident, Reubus Swagrid, Dani

With 25 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-03-17 11:57:34).

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Post Post #259 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:19 am

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Hi. So, Never-melt-ice and Soren are both supportive of, to varying degrees, D1 claiming, full in the case of Soren and partial in the case of Never.

Never: How does sharing information involving some sort of pairing between players help town *more* than it helps scum? Beyond the obvious argument that scum already has knowledge of those pairings they are part of, so you're removing the advantage they gain from that bit of information.

Hypothetically, would it ever be the case that scum would be paired with scum? Likely? Unlikely?

Soren: D1 full claims? Because you want us to all lie so your lies don't stand out?

Vote: Soren


This is made with absolutely no knowledge of how any of you play, other than Drixx. Maybe Soren always pushes for D1 claims. I wouldn't know.
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Post Post #260 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:24 am

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@Vyse: Are you seriously telling me that you can't see the obvious scum motivation for getting all of the neighborhoods (if there are any) to out themselves is?

Between that and ice's disappearing act after the claim (I realize it had only been a day, but that seems like something you would stick around to discuss) I have serious scum vibes there.

Also how are you going to complain about my commitment to the game and then go on to talk about how lazy you are being/intend to be?

I think molly is probably trustworthy, if he has limited "shots" we probably shouldn't test him today. If he had unlimited "shots" I don't see any harm in doing so.

Om and copper both seem town based largely on their argument over their reads.

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Post Post #261 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:25 am

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Ebwop: that should say molla not molly.
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Post Post #262 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:25 am

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@Cerberus
What do you think of Drixx?
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Post Post #263 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:34 am

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BBmolla wrote:you're a day cop who is in a neighborhood, or you're a day cop who can only check neighbors?


The second one. I only get a result if my target is a neighbor.

I have to submit the action during the day, then I get a result at night. I wouldn't normally ask for claims so early, but the mod won't tell me if my target is a neighbor or not when I submit. So I would rather know all my options now, instead of guessing blindly and then if wrong have to wait for the next day before I can even try again. :P
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Post Post #264 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:37 am

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Cerberus v666 wrote:Never: How does sharing information involving some sort of pairing between players help town *more* than it helps scum? Beyond the obvious argument that scum already has knowledge of those pairings they are part of, so you're removing the advantage they gain from that bit of information.


I'm not sure what you want to know. Besides my action alone, what you stated as "the obvious" is still a major reason to go through with it. Just based on my role I'm pretty sure there's at least one neighbor scum, so I really can't see any downside to neighbors claiming.
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Post Post #265 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:43 am

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Cerberus v666 wrote:Hi. So, Never-melt-ice and Soren are both supportive of, to varying degrees, D1 claiming, full in the case of Soren and partial in the case of Never.

Never: How does sharing information involving some sort of pairing between players help town *more* than it helps scum? Beyond the obvious argument that scum already has knowledge of those pairings they are part of, so you're removing the advantage they gain from that bit of information.

Hypothetically, would it ever be the case that scum would be paired with scum? Likely? Unlikely?

Soren: D1 full claims? Because you want us to all lie so your lies don't stand out?

Vote: Soren


This is made with absolutely no knowledge of how any of you play, other than Drixx. Maybe Soren always pushes for D1 claims. I wouldn't know.

What do you mean by full claim? That everyone claims? I never said that. All I said is me, myself and I, wouldn't mind claiming.
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Post Post #266 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:44 am

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What do you guys mean by neighbour?
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Post Post #267 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:45 am

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Toon Fighter wrote:This post and other BBmola's make me believe in his claim. Although this IS the game for crazy claims to be believable, BB's seems ok. I see no scum motivation to make such a verifiable fake claim right of the bat D1.

In other news, and following the same line of thought, I think Never-Melt Ice needs more pressure. Even if his claim his real, I don't like how he does it immediately and without obvious motivation to do it. He could even be a Scum (Neighbor Day Cop)

So, UNVOTE: VOTE: NeverMeltIce


This is ridiculous. If you're considering how my claim can both be real but a scum role, what's the point of that?

And while I don't see scum motivation in BBmolla's claim either, I don't see how you can so readily believe his but not mine, and even say I have no motivation to ask for neighbors to claim.

Neither of those statements of yours make any sense at all; it's almost like you're making up points as excuses to vote and join a bandwagon on me.

VOTE: Toon Fighter

BRantz wrote:Are you seriously telling me that you can't see the obvious scum motivation for getting all of the neighborhoods (if there are any) to out themselves is?

Between that and ice's disappearing act after the claim (I realize it had only been a day, but that seems like something you would stick around to discuss) I have serious scum vibes there.


Pray tell, just what is this "obvious scum motivation"? And I have other sites I play on, I just joined this one for only this one game so far so I'm not going to just spend my whole day here. Neither should you expect me to.
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Post Post #268 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:46 am

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Soren wrote:What do you guys mean by neighbour?


Neighbors as I'm used to are players who can talk in private at night, and can be town or scum, and have other parts to their roles as well. As far as I know, it's the same here.
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Post Post #269 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:47 am

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Soren wrote:All I said is me, myself and I, wouldn't mind claiming.


If this is for the reasons I'm thinking (which is likely), I'm fairly sure you're town.
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Post Post #270 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:54 am

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@Ice
Never-melt-ice wrote:
Soren wrote:What do you guys mean by neighbour?


Neighbors as I'm used to are players who can talk in private at night, and can be town or scum, and have other parts to their roles as well. As far as I know, it's the same here.


It doesn't have to be at night, daytalk neighbourhoods exist. What would you say if a cop started D1 and asked for a mass claim in order to narrow down his check pool?
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Post Post #271 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:54 am

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Never-melt-ice wrote:
Soren wrote:All I said is me, myself and I, wouldn't mind claiming.


If this is for the reasons I'm thinking (which is likely), I'm fairly sure you're town.



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Post Post #272 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:56 am

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copper223 wrote:@Cerberus
What do you think of Drixx?


I think he's a gentleman and a scholar, and less wall of texty than he has been in the past. If you're asking for a read on him, I don't really have one yet. I wouldn't mind an early lynch on him though, just so if he is scum and they win, he can't claim to have had any part in their success. ^^ Gotta keep his ego in check.

Never-melt-ice wrote:
BBmolla wrote:you're a day cop who is in a neighborhood, or you're a day cop who can only check neighbors?


The second one. I only get a result if my target is a neighbor.

I have to submit the action during the day, then I get a result at night. I wouldn't normally ask for claims so early, but the mod won't tell me if my target is a neighbor or not when I submit. So I would rather know all my options now, instead of guessing blindly and then if wrong have to wait for the next day before I can even try again. :P


That is a reason to request said information that could benefit town. My issue is you asked for neighbors to name their partners. Why would they do that? From how you described your role, it should make no difference to you how the pairings go, but only the fact that someone is part of a pair. Wanting to know the exact pairings is scummy.

When do you get the result from your investigation?
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Post Post #273 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:16 am

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I have no issue with neighbors claiming.
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Post Post #274 (ISO) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:18 am

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The obvious scum motivation for outing all the neighborhoods is that you as scum will then know exactly who else gets to communicate outside the thread and who they get to communicate with. This is very beneficial for scum.

Also I see really easy way that your role has utility as a scum role. All that is required is that you are a role cop instead of a normal one.

Pedit: Why molla?
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