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[TierShift]

Wait wtf I missed something why the f was boon selfvoting?

Pie was referring to me being scum and doing that.

VOTE: Boonskiies

Fuck it. Don't care.

Just wtf is this ate.

Oops.

VOTE: Tier

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I hate boon's vettrock vote. Can pie get in here and talk to me about my reads?

Also, can we state why we don't like this vote? You posted in your reads list that you are town reading my slot, and scum reading Vettrock's, so I fail to see why you hate this vote. This seems a bit contradictory to me, and I'm not sure how your thought process is really working.

I thought wisdom was town because of how he interacted with notmaf, although I had a few reservations about that as the blacklisting thng seemed totally unwarranted. Wisdom did make good points on notmaf, though, and in general showed clear thought processes. I'm not superb at reading him, as you can see from this paragraph.

You, however, do not strike me as being town. Your vettrock vote for PoEing off a lynch is pretty laughable and it looks like an easy vote with a tiny teensy explanation tacked on that doesn't even make sense.

And now thay I actually ISO'd you I see weird stuff like completely unwarranted selfvoting and a townread on flames. Why are you townreading him?

[TierShift]

inb4 the vett/tier/pie team takes advantage of Fishy/Flames votes and hammers and pushes it off as a "oh, was just Boon, totally understandable of a lynch". Which, I mean it is, but yeah.

I'm contemplating doing this, actually.

LLLL....If Flames and I were the scum team. HAHAHA.

Haha, very funny...what prompted you to say this?

[TierShift]

I don't get why I'm possible scum in a few players' readslists; no one is givng reasons for that.

[TierShift]

On the selfvoting thng: not sure if it's a trust tell. If he keeps it up and refuses to self-vote as scum and is town now it could become one, I guess. It doesn't work yet because no one believes him.

I absolutely don't think he's town for it. He just came in, got a few votes, but hadn't been under stress this game or anything. It doesn't look like the genuine 'fuck this, lynch me'. He gets away from it really quickly and just uses it as a trust-tell-esque thing. I don't see real rage or him being fed up with the game.

[Formerfish]

"The player insists that they only do this behavior as a certain alignment, and never as any other alignment."

I have never insisted that I only do this as town. Just showing facts.

Only scum have a reason to self vote. Feeling better about my vote already.

I can show you around 3 times (possibly 2, possibly 4, I don't remember) where I've done it as town. I can show you 0 times where I've done it as scum.

i.e.- "I only self vote as town."

[TierShift]

Well, if he does an effort in his scumgames not to selfvote, it would be a trust tell. A sample size of 5 in towngames is way too little to say anything about, in any case. If I wanted, I could probably find some behaviour I have only exhibited in towngames as of yet and replicate it as scum and call myself town for it. Wouldn't be a trust tell, unless I specifically constructed it during scumgames.

All in all, I don't thnk he hasn't self-voted in scumgames on purpose so he could trust tell, so it's not a trust tell.

[Bert]

Well blimey

It's the boon show

So tempted to vote him but will resist. Back in a bit

[Bert]

Is that this day phase you've spent all ur postings completely fixated on explaining your role and abilities, and any kind of relevant discussion about who you think is scum has been absent

Weird right?
At least that's the way it seems

They ask question -> I answer
But I'll stop talking about it from here since it has gone on for a while

re:boonskiies
seems rather "lol reactions", but the reason for people voting him also seems to be just based on his playstyle. I'd prefer not to policy lynch.

feelin' nauseous again so i'll be back later

Still nothing. What's your read on boon then?

[pieguyn]

My reads. Why is seohyun not under consideration and what d you think of wis-nm interactions?
What do you think of vettrock's play?

I'm ruling Seohyun out bc I'm pretty sure she would be aware that she didn't actually have the same role as NM if they both were scum here. it's kind of gut, but the whole shitstorm that happened earlier came off genuine to me.

as I said, I don't particularly think Wis-NM interactions look like scum x scum. I think scum Wis would not be likely to suddenly get apathetic after bussing a partner the whole game, plus I took a quick look through his meta and the way he handled NM doesn't particularly fit with how he handles partners.

I'm not sure if I like the way you flip flopped on Boon, but another part of me thinks it's completely understandable (bc lolol). I was having problems bc any scum team I could think of would be shooting themselves in the foot right now, but what you just did was the kind of thing I was thinking scum might do here and it sets off a red flag. what is making you doubt that Wisdom/NM's interaction doesn't look like partners?

[pieguyn]

oh and I think vettrock's play looks town more or less for how he walked in here, immediately cleared me, and then cleared all the other ppl I was clearing (which is the kind of thing I refer to when I say scum would be shooting themselves in the foot), plus most of what he did makes sense even if I disagree with some of it.

[TierShift]

wisdom's pushes feel pretty genuine, he was on notmaf first basically all the time but gets distracted by shinier things such as micc and me. He's consistently wanted notmaf dead and I think that if he were doing this as scum he'd just hard bus day 1 and get all the credits instead of this soft bussing that eventually contributes to his lynch.
Then again the 'remind me to blacklist you postgame' is really, really weird.

Boon's play always is chaotic, but I feel it's rather geared to scm survival than to town figuring things out chaoticly here.

So it's weird: I've never had this large a townread on wisdom, but I still think the slot might very well be scum. In my earlier evaluation, I didn't really take day 3 play into account a great deal.

I think I want to pursue flames today, that scumread is a lot more substantial.

[Flames682]

Why are you townreading him?

That's what I asked with his townread out of nowhere

[Bert]

It's in my mind that boon came under fire immediately after the vettrock vote, at a time when messiah complex was pushing for Seo with flames backing that vote

And I might have been voting flames at that time (albeit weakly)

[Formerfish]

Why do you keep calling me Messiah? Most people don't even realize I'm a part of that hydra.

[Bert]

yikes not thinking clearly lol, i think my oldest and most resonating memory of you was in that faraday game which lasted forever

for some reason i keep slipping up and referring to you as That hydra =O.

[Bert]

I agree about Wisdom's push on not_mafia (and most of Wisdom's stances in general) seeming very half-hearted. I don't think it means much for his alignment, he just seemed bored like he did in my last past game from right before Xmas.

[Bert]

Boon
Flames
Bert/Fish
Seo
Pie
Tier
Vett

is my town to scum read list. skimmed over ISO's. Subject to change when I figure out more of this game.

in comparison with

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p6504335

hey boon im looking for something like this

[TierShift]

flames, response to 1305?

[Flames682]

I'll agree with that first quote Tier on 1305 but what is your thought of my push on Boon and vettrock today?

2nd, I'm not sure where you got the indication where I'm vocal about my reads, I can be vocal about my scumreads (like Boon and vettrock) but unless I'm hard townreading someone I'm not gonna comment about it.

[Flames682]

Also why did you continue to townread me in the past considering everything you said on 1305?

[Flames682]

Gonna phrase that clearer.

This is exemplaric of flames's game. All of it has been easy votes, such as MS, BBT and this one.

If this was my entire game since the beginning then why did you keep saying I was town?

[Seohyun]

I'm also curious to know what ppl think about him replacing out due to apathy. I don't think it makes sense he'd be bussing a partner the whole game, and then suddenly get apathetic for no reason after doing it.

The game was getting dull, I can understand it. I didn't think he was scum.

Still nothing. What's your read on boon then?

I townread wisdom, and I'm not getting scumvibes from boon yet.
It's like the only replacement where my read didn't change. Because before I scumread bbt, pieguyn im seeing more as town though. And with kbw, he seemed like he might be scum after reading through isos, but formerfish doesn't seem like scum to me. Marquis I leaned scum but vettrock is more null.

[Bert]

What type of actions give you scumvibes, generally speaking?

[Seohyun]

something that doesn't just feel like he's trying to explain that he's not trust telling and other people trying to get a policy lynch on him

[TierShift]

V/la till sunday evening