We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Never-melt-ice]

And I'm not a fool. ;)

Or am I? :o

[ActionDan]

How nice that you removed the part where I give a reason for the vote

Both your reason and vote are terrible. Not that that excuses orange crush

[Oranje Crush]

How nice that you removed the part where I give a reason for the vote

Both your reason and vote are terrible. Not that that excuses orange crush

It was a horrible vote so I responded to it with a self-explanatory vote.

[BRantz]

I already said I am not in a neighborhood ice. Let's go back to a question you were asked but ignored. Why do you care about people claiming who their neighbors are? Shouldn't you just need to know if people are in neighborhoods?

[Narninian]

I can see neighbors being motivated to not come out with it
They know their own alignment but not everyone else's, so its strictly better to have somebody else investigated even if you are town, unless you think you might be a lynch target.

[Drixx]

I don't know anything about neighborhoods, and if I have a neighbor that would be news to me. As for miller theory, it's interesting that the claim rate is so high. In the smaller playgroup I come from, miller claiming isn't considered good play.

For some reason, every time I see Oranje post, I think of

The Fault in Our Stars

.

[Never-melt-ice]

I already said I am not in a neighborhood ice. Let's go back to a question you were asked but ignored. Why do you care about people claiming who their neighbors are? Shouldn't you just need to know if people are in neighborhoods?

Let's go back to a post where I already addressed this but you ignored it.

I agree that neighbors should claim on their own. But what I implied and thought was clear was that if you're a neighbor and you claim but your partner(s) refuse to, you should out them yourself. The only reason why you would refuse to claim as a neighbor would be if they didn't want to be investigated.

[Never-melt-ice]

I can see neighbors being motivated to not come out with it
They know their own alignment but not everyone else's, so its strictly better to have somebody else investigated even if you are town, unless you think you might be a lynch target.

So what are you saying? I should just take a shot in the dark?

The benefits of being confirmed town to others are greater than the benefits of keeping that confirmation to yourself.

[Oranje Crush]

For some reason, every time I see Oranje post, I think of

The Fault in Our Stars

.

Wat

[Narninian]

I can see neighbors being motivated to not come out with it
They know their own alignment but not everyone else's, so its strictly better to have somebody else investigated even if you are town, unless you think you might be a lynch target.

So what are you saying? I should just take a shot in the dark?

The benefits of being confirmed town to others are greater than the benefits of keeping that confirmation to yourself.

No I agree it would be much better for you to have them revealed (and better for the town to have some revealed), I can just understand on an individual level I would understand that not all neighbors would want to reveal themselves, even if they are town, because with only 1 lynch per day, and 2 games worth of scum activity at night, its much better to find a guilty result.

[Jackel98]

I somewhat agree with Narninian about the neighbour-claim. I personally wouldn't claim neighbour unless I was a neighbour and close to being lynched.

[BRantz]

Sorry I missed that post from you Ice.

I like that explanation, but disagree with the conclusion.

I think ActionDan accusing others of being opportunistic is ridiculous. Pot meet kettle.

[vonflare]

No activity for 3 hours what has the world come to have you all died irl or wat

[LucianRoy]

Writing essays n' stuff.
I'm almost all caught up with the thread.
I'm not a neighbour.

[God of Power Outlets]

I am a Neighbor Day Cop.

All neighbors need to claim and name their other neighbors now.

I don't like this claim or demand at all.

VOTE: Never-melt-ice

The Beast swings around his MASSIVE Scumrod, dripping in anticipation and settling on Brantz. "Unhelpful" The third-head says. "Crying about outing information is an easy thing scum can do to pretend to be town, without anyone gaining anything. You bring shame upon you and your loins."

[God of Power Outlets]

I am a Neighbor Day Cop.

All neighbors need to claim and name their other neighbors now.

I don't like this claim or demand at all.

VOTE: Never-melt-ice

I agree with this, wtf is that claim ice?

YOU TOO

[copper223]

@TPTG
Meanwhile I've tried to hash out a way for him to safely gather the information, different from his initial request, to use his claimed role effectively, if he is telling the truth, and started the process... you were saying about being helpful and where exactly is your contribution?

[God of Power Outlets]

The Beast laughs at your immediate jump to defensiveness over just an explanation. Your explanation would have sufficed for a defense, but you threw in the "NO U" spiel as well. This isn't about our majestic mafiacock, it was about you and your motivation to immediately discredit Nevermeltice.

[BRantz]

@trouser: If all I cared about was complaining about outing information why would I interact with ice to sort it more than that

[God of Power Outlets]

Then why make that post in the first place if your intention was to 'sort it out'?

[BRantz]

Because his initial post was scummy.

[God of Power Outlets]

The obvious scum motivation for outing all the neighborhoods is that you as scum will then know exactly who else gets to communicate outside the thread and who they get to communicate with. This is very beneficial for scum.

Also I see really easy way that your role has utility as a scum role. All that is required is that you are a role cop instead of a normal one.

Pedit: Why molla?

Not to make it all about you, because The Beast should always be the sexy center of attention. But this is figuring things out? What makes you think scum have the type of information to fakeclaim such an odd role? What makes you think scum knowing who else might be able to talk outside the thread is important enough to out themselves?

[Ozgin]

I am a Neighbor Day Cop.

All neighbors need to claim and name their other neighbors now.

I really don't like this. It's like you're basically saying, "Hey, I have an ability that will help the town if you all give me the names of your neighbors and tell me that you're a neighbor! Go ahead, throw it out there, I'll be able to help the town with that information, I swear!" Yeah, and a Nigerian Prince emailed me and told me and told me it would benefit me if I sent him $1,000 because I'd be rich within the year.

I am 100% opposed to roleclaiming this early. For some people, it'll just put big ol' targets on their foreheads.

Have we considered that BBmolla may have an ability that charges with votes?
And that it could be mafia?
No, I thought not.

Not even just that, but think about his claim. The claim says Miller so if we investigate him, he'll report back scum. So we can't really check for his alignment. Then he tries giving us a reason to keep him alive by saying we could skip the night phase double day, but being honest, someone probably has the ability to kill someone during the Day 2, and he'd probably instantly die. Him claiming literally puts a massive target on his head if we're really to believe he is this valuable. But if he's scum, he's given us a reason to keep him alive without questioning him, and has already created an alibi as to why he returns scum when investigated. He's pretty much got us in a deadly WIFOM with his second fucking post of D-2 (after confirms, that is).

I really don't like either of you, but I feel like molla has put us in a more precarious position than we need to be at D-1.

VOTE: BBmolla

Also, sorry I'm late, RL is happening. My dog died today, I start work tomorrow, and school is a thing. I'll keep up with reading and such, but I won't post very often during the day and even less than that during the week. I can really only post late at night or on weekends when I'm off.

[BRantz]

The obvious scum motivation for outing all the neighborhoods is that you as scum will then know exactly who else gets to communicate outside the thread and who they get to communicate with. This is very beneficial for scum.

Also I see really easy way that your role has utility as a scum role. All that is required is that you are a role cop instead of a normal one.

Pedit: Why molla?

Not to make it all about you, because The Beast should always be the sexy center of attention. But this is figuring things out? What makes you think scum have the type of information to fakeclaim such an odd role? What makes you think scum knowing who else might be able to talk outside the thread is important enough to out themselves?

I was responding directly to a question he asked me. He asked me to explain the obviously scummy thing I was talking about. Are you even actually reading the game trouser?

[Never-melt-ice]

Now now, let's not use God to distract everyone from the real issue here: for some reason you guys are acting like I stuck a dick up your nostril instead of just asking for neighbors to claim so I can cop one.

All of these cunterpoints are minor and stupid, to be blunt.