We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[LucianRoy]

Lol, watch no-one claim neighbours.
So Ozgin wants to see Molla flip? Mmmm...
I personally think that neither Molla nor Ice are suitable lynch candidates for today. It doesn't really matter if I read them scum or town, I just don't think they're the best options for lynching.
I have this slight mantra that has to do with day 1 claims being somewhat untouchable, but I'm not going to hound people for not agreeing with me.

Better lynch option to come in a later post after I respond to everything.

[copper223]

The Beast laughs at your immediate jump to defensiveness over just an explanation. Your explanation would have sufficed for a defense, but you threw in the "NO U" spiel as well. This isn't about our majestic mafiacock, it was about you and your motivation to immediately discredit Nevermeltice.

I am trying to sort out your motivation for selecting a particular post in the interaction and forgetting about the rest, you are also putting your own spiel, to use the same word, to what I wrote which has very little bearing with reality, his initial request was scummy as many of us have already pointed out, most of us likely town as I have rarely seen scum jump on a claim unless it's a teammate of theirs, because they have the advantage of knowing the aligmment of the guy who is claiming whereas town usually starts to think about paranoid ways the guy is trying to screw us over, so I find your approach very unnatural for a townie, you can join my scumreads boys.

[copper223]

Now now, let's not use God to distract everyone from the real issue here: for some reason you guys are acting like I stuck a dick up your nostril instead of just asking for neighbors to claim so I can cop one.

All of these cunterpoints are minor and stupid, to be blunt.

They may be to you if you are town, I can guarantee it doesn't look that way when you don't know what the other players mitivations are and it looks like one of them is going on a setup fishing operation.

[Never-melt-ice]

So 326 pretty much reads as "there's more of US than there are of YOU so ha ha ha you're SCUM!" WRT reads that's the general reasoning anyway. Good show.

Also, my initial post was me claiming and asking for others to partial claim so that I could actually use my role. I don't see how that's scummy much less see how one could townread BBmolla's claim at the time that much more than mine.

[Never-melt-ice]

They may be to you if you are town, I can guarantee it doesn't look that way when you don't know what the other players mitivations are and it looks like one of them is going on a setup fishing operation.

What am I going to learn about the setup that scum probably don't already know? The first post already makes it clear multiple neighborhoods exist. If I were scum, what the heck would I have to gain from knowing who can talk outside the thread? I don't even need to know which neighbors are paired up if everyone simply cooperates and says if they are a neighbor or not.

And as I already worked out with Cerberus, if I was a scum role that negatively affects neighbors I'd be caught out for it right away. I see literally no reason to withhold a simple "I am (not) a neighbor" claim.

[Pirate Ika]

hey copper

yeah you

what think you of drixx, ozgin and the lurksacks?

[Never-melt-ice]

It's actually stunning, to the extent that I'm beginning to wonder if some of you just distrust real-world cops enough to subconsciously translate your feelings for them over to a cop in an online forum game.

[copper223]

@Ice
You yourself said you did not intend to ask for the pairs in the neighbourhood to out themselves 275, only that you needed to know who claimed to have a neighbourhood, which is different from your initial claim and request so let's not pretend you have been consistent this whole time and a bunch of us just randomly decided to go ham on you, that's problem number 1 I have with your claim. You then made a post on how knowledge of the pairs and members of a neighbourhood can be used to help town 288, although you say you don't want it anymore in 275 and just now in 329 which is an inconsistency I did not much care for and that's number 2.

Problem number 3 is I don't see your claim as strictly necessary if you are town, whereas BBmolla should claims as a miller so it's something I would expect and I was prepared for, so yes all in all I tend to believe BBmolla over you, with good reason.

[Pirate Ika]

oh cooooooper

[copper223]

hey copper

yeah you

what think you of drixx, ozgin and the lurksacks?

I am leaning slightly mafia on Drixx now, Drixx likes to play scum more than town and I don't see any of that confusion and attempt to figure out the game I'd attribute to him as town in his posts, I see self-confidence, amusement and a bit of an air of superiority which might indicate he is scum, I also don't like the hints he is dropping about his role being convoluted but that's just more of how I like to play the game so I don't know how indicative it is. If he is scum, Cerberus is more likely than not to be one of his partners.

I think Oz.'s response to Ice is pretty townie and that's the first post I liked from him, I still suspect Mastin though and Bulbasaur has failed to present any useful information.

Lurking is not alignment indicative, I find it strange that a new player like Dani who presumably doesn't have a lot else to do onsite would log in (as I have seen him do) and not post, either he is adapting to large games or he is scum, because the last time we played I like that he was willing to tango with everyone from the get go, more likely scum.

Boonskiies looks pretty scummy as well, but I just thought he was town in our latest game because he was making some sense D1 to me and it turned out he was scum so it's hard for me to say.

[LucianRoy]

"You can't see the forest through the trees."
Nobody better turn this into an innuendo. Swear to god.

[Pirate Ika]

"You can't see the forest through the trees."
Nobody better turn this into an innuendo. Swear to god.

don't you dare bring my shaving habits into this game.

VOTE: drixx

[Never-melt-ice]

@Ice
You yourself said you did not intend to ask for the pairs in the neighbourhood to out themselves 275, only that you needed to know who claimed to have a neighbourhood, which is different from your initial claim and request so let's not pretend you have been consistent this whole time and a bunch of us just randomly decided to go ham on you, that's problem number 1 I have with your claim.

In 275, I acknowledged that part of my initial claim, and retracted it partially. But as I said it was an implication that I assumed was obvious: if you're a neighbor and you claim but your partner(s) doesn't, you should reveal it because a neighbor trying to stay hidden in light of a claimed neighbor day cop is antitown as hell.

You then made a post on how knowledge of the pairs and members of a neighbourhood can be used to help town 288, although you say you don't want it anymore in 275 and just now in 329 which is an inconsistency I did not much care for and that's number 2.

As. I. Just. Said. If you have a neighbor claim. It is only natural. That the neighbor's partner(s) will be revealed soon as well, either of their own accord (which will allow them to keep secret who they're partnered with, though I doubt this will happen because people like you are so opposed to the idea of a neighbor claim, which gives scum neighbors room to get away with not claiming) or by force (which will be done by a fellow neighbor, and surprise, to know someone's a neighbor you have to be partnered with them).

You can't just have one neighbor all on its own. Wtf is the point of the role then?

Problem number 3 is I don't see your claim as strictly necessary if you are town, whereas BBmolla should claims as a miller so it's something I would expect and I was prepared for, so yes all in all I tend to believe BBmolla over you, with good reason.

I can't believe I have to explain this again.

When I got my Role PM, I realized I had two options.

Either I could stay silent and try to find a neighbor day 1, most likely only find out that they're not a neighbor and I can't cop them night 1, do the same day 2, get the same result night 2, and so on with the risk of not having any results for a long time...

or I could claim, get neighbors to claim, and maximize the utility of my role from the start.

I chose option 2. There's more benefit to having neighbors claim early so we can get confirmed alignments early and corner scum early. It's risking scum nightkill me right away, but taking that into account with the likely scenarios presented above, it's either:

1. force scum to decide to kill me, potentially revealing just how scared they are of my role, or
2. have my role be completely useless the whole game and then having to say sorry, I could have gotten some results, but I decided to fucking hide in the corner all day and be a scared piece of shit, my bad.

[LucianRoy]

Wowee

[BBmolla]

Not even just that, but think about his claim. The claim says Miller so if we investigate him, he'll report back scum. So we can't really check for his alignment. Then he tries giving us a reason to keep him alive by saying we could skip the night phase double day, but being honest, someone probably has the ability to kill someone during the Day 2, and he'd probably instantly die. Him claiming literally puts a massive target on his head if we're really to believe he is this valuable. But if he's scum, he's given us a reason to keep him alive without questioning him, and has already created an alibi as to why he returns scum when investigated. He's pretty much got us in a deadly WIFOM with his second fucking post of D-2 (after confirms, that is).

I really don't like either of you, but I feel like molla has put us in a more precarious position than we need to be at D-1.

VOTE: BBmolla

Also, sorry I'm late, RL is happening. My dog died today, I start work tomorrow, and school is a thing. I'll keep up with reading and such, but I won't post very often during the day and even less than that during the week. I can really only post late at night or on weekends when I'm off.

Are you bad or scum

[BBmolla]

Like what the fuck are you talking about

[BBmolla]

I'm pretty fucking fine being nightkilled as a

fucking miller

How does "He claimed and made himself a nightkill target! Lynch him" make any fucking sense?

[BBmolla]

As a miller I'm probably going to be lynched eventually just by nature of my role, why in the fuck would you lynch me before using my

fucking confirmable ability

.

How stupid can you be like holy fuck

[BBmolla]

Sorry about your dog, but stop playing like a god damn moron, thanks.

[Never-melt-ice]

...

Who do we need to send back to the kiddie corner? Anyone fail those third grade logic sheets, logic tests? Half the playerlist? Because goddamn it if that isn't what it feels like here.

[BBmolla]

I really don't like this. It's like you're basically saying, "Hey, I have an ability that will help the town if you all give me the names of your neighbors and tell me that you're a neighbor! Go ahead, throw it out there, I'll be able to help the town with that information, I swear!" Yeah, and a Nigerian Prince emailed me and told me and told me it would benefit me if I sent him $1,000 because I'd be rich within the year.

I am 100% opposed to roleclaiming this early. For some people, it'll just put big ol' targets on their foreheads.

Jesus fuck you're terrible. Or scum. Hopefully the latter.

[vonflare]

I have to submit the action during the day

, then I get a result at night. I wouldn't normally ask for claims so early, but the mod won't tell me if my target is a neighbor or not when I submit. So I would rather know all my options now, instead of guessing blindly and then if wrong have to wait for the next day before I can even try again.

When I got my Role PM, I realized I had two options.

Either I could stay silent and try to find a neighbor day 1, most likely only find out that they're not a neighbor and I

can't cop them night 1

, do the same day 2, get the same result night 2, and so on with the risk of not having any results for a long time

im confuzzled. do you cop them during the day or night? or did I miss something?

not calling you out or anything, just confused.

[copper223]

@Ice
There is nothing obvious about what you post in a game of mafia because you have a different set of information from most of the rest of the playerbase, to me it was not obvious at all that you meant what you said later in your first post if that's the case, I also did not have the time you had to mull over your presumed role and try to find out the best way to use it.

If you follow our conversation you will notice that after you clarified your stance and I had time to think about how you could use the information you were asking for both for and against town, I decided to go ahead and tell you, so although I do still believe BBmolla over you, I think it's more likely that your claim is town trying to make the best use of his role rather than scum fishing, I still maintain that the way you want about it was poorly done if genuine.

[Reubus Swagrid]

Playing my second game with 22 other people can sure be intimidating. Will read up tonight and post accordingly, annoyed because any actual content only started coming out after I fell asleep last night

[BBmolla]

The obvious scum motivation for outing all the neighborhoods is that you as scum will then know exactly who else gets to communicate outside the thread and who they get to communicate with. This is very beneficial for scum.

Also I see really easy way that your role has utility as a scum role. All that is required is that you are a role cop instead of a normal one.

Pedit: Why molla?

Because who fucking cares about neighbors claiming, they're neighbors, it literally doesn't mean shit except they can talk

And it stops our cop from being fucking useless

Are you fucking serious?