We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[BBmolla]

Couldn't you instead of posting this just ask lurkers questions*

sorry all nighter

[Oranje Crush]

VOTE: Boonskiies

So is people voting without much reasoning/argument attached a trend in larger games?
I don't know if I want them to get away with such, it'd be too easy for scum?

pedit: My vote's staying there, but it's no longer a random vote.

Why are you voting boonskies, what makes it "non-random"?
Who are your other scum reads and who do you think is town?
Also please provide oppinions on soren/ice/brantz.

[Oranje Crush]

Better?
~yoghurt

[copper223]

@Oranje
If Deathfisaro is scum he is not making it to the endgame so I'm not too worried about him, his scumgame is all about flying under the radar and playing safe from what I saw playing scum with him, look at how he behaves during important moments like a cc battle.

Early on he is a hard read cause he is likely not going to try and further a scum agenda, just sit happy and let someone else get lynched, the fact he at least voted this game and started to ask some meaningful questions makes me think he may be town but that's like 51/49.

[Drixx]

Be specific Oranje! If you believe certain people are lurking, then ask them directly to answer some questions. A blanket "lurkers should stop lurking" isn't usually very productive.

Couldn't you instead of posting this just ask lurk questions

When I feel like pushing lurkers, I'm sure I will single them out, starting with the most egregious. Right now there's enough interesting going on that I haven't really noted who is hardcore lurking, which is actually a bit odd for me to realize. I played so many years with 48 hour days and I've already become super spoiled by the much longer days here. There's a lot of time to be thorough and whilest I still despise lurking, I find that what I view as lurking has radically changed in my ~3 months here.

[Oranje Crush]

26 players.

I hope there's a lot of nightkills....

And vonflare, all his votes have been based of no content besides ice. This post quoted also feels

really

wrong.

[BRantz]

I am a Neighbor Day Cop.

All neighbors need to claim and name their other neighbors now.

I don't like this claim or demand at all.

VOTE: Never-melt-ice

Answer the following with a simple yes/no:

Do you consider yourself an idiot?

No I do not consider myself an idiot. Just because I have a different opinion on neighbors than you do doesn't mean you should consider me one either. You should notice that after arguing with ice about it for a while I still answered his question, and whether you believe it or not, truthfully.

@copper: Drixx could tell you all about my confrontation/disciplinarian approach, but that game is ongoing. Suffice it to say, I certainly have more than one playstyle in my bag as well depending on a lot of circumstances.

[copper223]

I am giving away cookies to anyone joining me on Bulbasaur btw, what is the town motivation for all 3 of the experienced players on the hydra not posting after claiming they have a wonderful set of reads to give us?

[vonflare]

26 players.

I hope there's a lot of nightkills....

And vonflare, all his votes have been based of no content besides ice. This post quoted also feels

really

wrong.

Dude I'm saying there's a lot of players and it will be easier when there's less. it was a joke.

[Oranje Crush]

I am giving away cookies to anyone joining me on Bulbasaur btw, what is the town motivation for all 3 of the experienced players on the hydra not posting after claiming they have a wonderful set of reads to give us?

What's the scum motivation?
Not doubting you, howver I'm intruiged.

[copper223]

Getting away with giving as little as possible which helps them be flexible when they finally have to give reads and explain them, while hopefully some poor townie screws up in some way and gets himself lynched, then coming in tomorrow saying they were unfortunately busy but oh that guy was for sure town blah blah, I want their reads on record and that is good regardless of their alignment so I think it's a great spot to place your vote at the moment.

[Pirate Ika]

we are spartacus

[copper223]

I also wouldn't mind a tête-à-tête with Mollie as we have both played scum together and an svt game so our crossreads may be useful, I have no idea how to read Ika yet.

[BRantz]

Ika is an oddball. The only time I have seen him get invested in a game was when a wagon formed on him.

[Soren]

Go on then, explain it in more than one paragraph. Until then:
VOTE: Soren
Why the heck do you see him as town?

What?

[Soren]

VOTE: oranje

Stop spamming the thread.

I don't like this reason.

[ActionDan]

Just because I have a different opinion on neighbors than you do doesn't mean you should consider me one either.

When your opinion is neighbors > cops wrt the value of each your opinion is worthless

[Soren]

Oh, he's voting for me because he has better read on me than the other guy.

[BRantz]

Tell me dan where I ever said neighbors are more valuable than cops? I said I didn't like his claim specifically. There is a large difference between those two things.

[copper223]

Oh, he's voting for me because he has

better read

on me than the other guy.

Did you just scumclaim?

[vonflare]

Oh, he's voting for me because he has

better read

on me than the other guy.

Did you just scumclaim?

Lol

I think he means the read is, in the voters opinion, stronger.

[Soren]

Oh, he's voting for me because he has

better read

on me than the other guy.

Did you just scumclaim?

I should have said "he

thinks

he has a better read".

[copper223]

@Lucian
Do you still think Soren might be scum here and why do you think so or why did you change your mind?

[deathfisaro]

VOTE: Boonskiies

So is people voting without much reasoning/argument attached a trend in larger games?
I don't know if I want them to get away with such, it'd be too easy for scum?

pedit: My vote's staying there, but it's no longer a random vote.

Why are you voting boonskies, what makes it "non-random"?
Who are your other scum reads and who do you think is town?
Also please provide oppinions on soren/ice/brantz.

1. 106 was RVS, I thought that was super clear in a game where first couple pages are "/confirm." I stated in 401 that my vote is no longer a random vote because I hate players (mostly scums) adding a vote to a wagon under the disguise of RVS, OMGUS or PL. They don't have a good reason to attach to the vote (because the victim is town and the scum knows it) and RVS/OMGUS makes it too easy to get away with, like "it was just an RVS/OMGUS, I didn't think the wagon'd actually go all the way to lynch". It'd be quite hypocritical of me to hate such votes and yet do one myself.
As for why Boonskiies? I didn't like the tone of 400. And because of the wording in

Oh, yeah. I'm town most of the time. People who push me are usually scum.

I have no reason to withdraw my vote at current point in time.
EVERYONE is statistically town most of the time. Even if someone played 75 games and was scum all 75 games in a row, eventually the law of big numbers kicks in and even that someone will be town most of the time. This statement is globally true, like stating the obvious.
And if you're town and get mislynched, majority of your wagon is town by game design so people who voted you are statistically usually misguided town. So this statement is misleading.
I see the quote as a clever way of mindgaming people so he is more likely to survive; say something obvious, follow up with something misleading, when the readers read the first part they're so strongly in agreement that the second part will be absorbed without filter. Now when a town catches him for being scum, he can redirect the attention to the attacker because by then it should be clearly obvious in everyone's head that 'people who push me are scum'.

2. Other scum reads are Oranje Crush for 403, I explained why a few lines above. If Boonskiies wagon picks up any momentum, you have me as a scapegoat, you didn't need a good reason to vote him by claiming it's a policy lynch. Didn't respond to 253. Cop sanity was confirmed but you still didn't answer my question.
The other is Ozgin for 322. Considering how many 13 player vanilaless games don't have daykill PRs, simply mixing 2 games together doesn't make it that probable to have one either. Too confident in the existence of such role, as if someone from the same faction told him about it pregame in another thread.
Don't have strong townreads.

3. I'm incapable of matching posts with posters in this game. I recognize ice but I'm like who's soren and brantz? I just read what's being talked about and notice certain things, then realize the poster. It's not like I know many people's style anyway. Do you want me to ISO them?

[copper223]

@deathfisaro
What do you think of BBmolla and never-melt-ice wrt to their claims?

I think Oranje is most likely town because of the strong hydra dissonance on their reads, I don't see scum getting in a spat over who to vote like they did in the middle of the thread as very likely and it did not seem orchestrated.