Mini 1649: Jabberwocky Mafia (Game Over)

[Valkyrie Mollie]

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Why is this not dead yet seriously

1 thing I absolutely loathe

is not playing in your hydra

[TierShift]

I don't know if maybe he saw the deadline creeping up and then self preservation kicked in or what.

No it was actually
Deadline is comng
Vla is coming
I cannot mess up this game for others by not contributing

What's the case on Valkyrie, Tier? Is it just gut? I wouldn't call those two a town read but I don't see scumminess there.

Gut is not an explanation, it's just a placeholder. I saw a few of gif's posts thst remind me of scum-him. Would go into more detail if I had time for that.

Brantz is town I think but not sure
He feels more like his towngame I've seen from him than his scumgame
His scumgame is not this opportunist methinks

[AxleGreaser]

First dealing with some stuff, so it does not stick in my craw

I see I'm being wagoned.

Nothing really changed, except you got to see I was not as tunneled on you D1, as I was on TSO last game.

Playing eventually, because your being wagoned is not a good look. If we dont lynch you today do we have to wagon you or you wont play tomorrow?

I cannot mess up this game for others by not contributing

This didnt change, you were already choosing not to contribute to this game.

other AtE in 328 etal duly ignored.

sick of axle

dont feel bad, I am sick of you, and perhaps more accurately of that schtick too.

[goodmorning]

All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

Votecount 1.13

TierShift [L-3] - Titus, AxleGreaser, Witness Protection, BRantz

BRantz [L-4] - Valkyrie Mollie, hi im Yakko, Elbirn
Valkyrie Mollie [L-4] - farside22, T S O, TierShift
Belisarius [L-6] - Seraphim
hi im Yakko [L-6] - Aeronaut
Aeronaut [L-6] - Belisarius

Not Voting [0] -

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2015-03-10 20:00:00).

Elbirn, Axle, and farside are V/LA.

[AxleGreaser]

I'm being wagoned for posting in this game without reading for a few days, which is a very shitty tell, especially during the first few days. I agree that I have no content up to today, but that isn't indicative of alignment.

Its now longer than the first few days. You are being wagoned by me for the reasons I posted, (

oh but you conveniently claim not to have read my posts past page 2...

) not just that one tell.
and the tell was, 91 implicitly claiming

not to have read

yet posting a question about content

you had read

. Which is not a shitty tell.

and now you argue

hiding

in the lurkers is indicative of others alignment?

A last general remark is that there is an insane amount of lurkers; I'm pretty sure

scum is hiding in them

. It is really awful to have been a part of this and it will not happen again. I really think we need to look at the lurkers since I have pretty weak reads overall while the active players have really been quite active. I think there just hasn't been enough scum talking

I will be responding to some of your posts but an actual judgement, I will leave until i get back Monday. (I think I am a bit, biased today)

Different things are alignment indicative at different levels of player. While I would like that you asked questions in your catch up. That you then go VLA, and the shot gun load of questions thus lack purpose direction and followup is not so good. If the question had been asked at the time, and responded too, that ship sailed.
That you have stated an intention not to read my responses to your posts... not so good.

Indicating you have us on drip feed " I feel like I've given enough with my catchup here," providing only as much as is required... not so good.

"And this game is shitty omg a lurker is still the biggest wagn" as I said above the wagon is for lurking

and

being scummy in the little you did post.

I'm sorry, what responses do you want from me?

I thought I was clear

I want Tier to play or die.

So is tier playing? is the content he has now posted alignment indicative or is it the stuff he can too easily fake?
That I will decide on Monday.

Spoiler:

2 pages in and I'm already sick of axle

I feel like I have a negative presence on this game.

QFT

[AxleGreaser]

Why is this not dead yet seriously

I can see that being surprising.
I was dumbfounded.

When i asked

@WP: Farside moved up to my top scum read because she accuses me of not saying anything, ...

@Brantz

who was your top scum read before that?

I was looking for an insight into BRantz's thinking. BRantz: "moved up to my top scum"
Indicates a claim about an existing set of reads. It reads just like the kind of thing lot of people say.
However it didnt really gel with

Spoiler: Brantz Quotes

WHAT IS HAPPENING?!

I feel like nothing has happened for two pages.

VOTE: Tiershift just cuz.

WHAT IS HAPPENING?!

lol idk tldr

Well at least I'm not the only one who is confused!

Which claim being lost? and confused. Which sounds like claim to NOT have list of scum reads where there are some people not at the top. (After all nothing has happened)

Basically "moved up to my top scum read" does and did not not feel like genuine representation of what happened.

However... another reactionary flip flop? !

[Seraphim]

This is my number 1 priority tomorrow, I swear.

[TierShift]

ughh this axle fella

mod I'm vla up to sunday

[Witness Protection]

I have little energy and am waiting for something major to happen.

I'm going to try and get into this game. I will reread later tonight.

I guess I've been prodded, so I should probs read and post in this game huh.

Beli was a gut vote I believe. I have not been reading this game so I'll have to get on that and provide some actual reads.

This is my number 1 priority tomorrow, I swear.

This type of play makes me sad. (InB4 I'm blasted for calling a lurker a lurker.) Is it a reasonable expectation that Town can figure alignment from this type of play?

Would scum use this play style? Absolutely. It's hard to counter, and some players say scum hunting lurkers is a scum tell. Empty promises to post

soon

is something I'd bet everyone here has seen scum do before.

Everyone with less posts than the Mod (excluding alt slips) are effectively scum reads until further notice.

@ Town Why don't we throw questions at low post posters along with our other conversations, try to jump start something with them. We're running short of time with most of it a weekend.

@ Aeronaut When you replaced in did you expect to be more active? You haven't given one read yet. Unless calling yourself scum counts.

[BRantz]

Jesus, are we really going to rehash that again? Axle: Go back and actually read, not just iso me. Specifically when I am arguing with farside we addressed those posts multiple times. You are going to need to do more than bring up a joke that I made in RVS.

[hi im Yakko]

catching up, ask me things. got some time.

[AxleGreaser]

catching up, ask me things. got some time.

I dont.

You are voting Brantz and were even before Tiers catchup.
Whats is your view of Tiers catchup posts?

[Valkyrie Mollie]

catching up, ask me things. got some time.

I dont.

You are voting Brantz and were even before Tiers catchup.
Whats is your view of Tiers catchup posts?

we think tier is town. not that you were asking us or anything.

seraph if you do not do something amazing soon we are lynching you. unless I get pple to see the light wrt to far. like I just kinda wanna scream "go to the light my children! just go!" at this point.

[farside22]

Axel is starting to be a scum read.

I want to hear more on this. I can't read Axel.

It's hard to put into words but when I read his post there is lots of words and busy work in his post. I read the game links from his wiki and I didn't notice soooo much diariea of the mouth. Some of the questions he ask are pretty pointless and don't really go anywhere as far as I can tell.

[T S O]

In the first three pages I expected there to be something of value but there is quite literally nothing.

[T S O]

I am "confused" about WP's babbling for two pages. More joking around than anything else (the whole thing was a response to tier's "idk tldr".

I think Brantz is scum this game, guys, I hate this post.

a Chatty Cathy

Never say this again ever. Thank you.

Farside, you literally have described the opposite of my playstyle regardless of alignment. That puzzles e. Town lean for now with a dose ofwtf

I don't understand how this read works, at all, unless your opinion of farside is quite low.

I am "confused" about WP's babbling for two pages. More joking around than anything else (the whole thing was a response to tier's "idk tldr".

This is scum.

Well excuse me for joking around in RVS while people were drunk spamming.

VOTE: Brantz

I could get behind a mollie or DDD lynch, but why Brantz?

Me and Beli's reads really should not be diametrically opposed after 5 pages. This does not make me feel good about Belisarius.

What qualifies as an "easy" wagon, and what makes it a wrong choice?

A large amount of votes on one player without commensurate justification, and what makes it wrong is the lack of commensurate justification.

I don't like this post at all, either, it's really stilted and awkward.

Tier thinks I made a bad post. Refuses to vote me.
Tier has posts denying he has read the thread while selectively responding to content. #91
Tier has provided no content.
Tier has refused to vote me despite being the only player he reacted negatively to.

I'll need to look into the first two points a bit more, I guess, I didn't really notice them standing out on my initial re-read. The last two are just stupid, though.

@far: It isn't vm town reading people that's the problem. It's vm calling them unlynchable on page 5 that bugs me. Also, it's unnecessary for me to talk about town reads? Right... got it.

VOTE: farside

This is the shittiest vote ever. I want Brantz dead now.

I swear every time I log into this account the skin changes.

@far: It isn't vm town reading people that's the problem. It's vm calling them unlynchable on page 5 that bugs me. Also, it's unnecessary for me to talk about town reads? Right... got it.
VOTE: farside

VOTE: BRantz

Sorry mollie but there's no way I can pass that post without voting the hell out of it <3

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This sequence actually makes me think VM-town! Which is definitely a good thing.

[T S O]

But if you connect that post with 171 you just might have enough to vote him!

This makes me feel mildly uneasy, but I'm not really sure why.

Hi yeah: you're the only one who's given me a reason I understand to suspect Brantz. I just don't think it's good enough

I don't think you're reading the game, coming from someone who wasn't reading the game.

Actually, that fuckup is making me doubt by scumread. Fuck you very much for that. Now I have to think.

...What fuckup? The accidental pluralization of the word "post"?

Does that even qualify as a fuckup? Is there a quantifiable difference between saying "Belisarius disagreed with a post" and "Belisarius disagreed with multiple posts"? The message is the same, the conclusion is the same; Titus said X and you didn't like X.

I mean unless I'm an idiot (probable) and I've missed something, this just feels nitpicky and strange.

Hey, I like this post!

What up bitchess

HITMEN GO

How did you get "mafia traitor" out of that?

Reading comprehension RUS. I just glanced at his post and

assumed

, gasp, he was Town claiming. I didn't think he'd be honest! Honest scum are rare.

I have foot in mouth disease.

My psychoanalyst/doc will fix me.

This feels a little bit like WP panicking and trying to appear nonchalant and not quite pulling it off.

Idle thought, then I'll go away for awhile. I haven't picked up any scum reads. At least none I'm sure are scum reading me. This makes me wonder about some of those Town reading me. Now I'm not trying to bring division, I'm just saying Town reading me isn't going to preclude a read from where they are currently standing on other things. I want to trust my allies, and hopefully we'll form a killer Town bloc, but I want more ...

Call me greedy.

In my spare time, I'm gonna list out everyone, who they're scum and Town reading, add in votes. Divide by hours between posts. See who they don't address. Multiplied by the number of words averaged in said posts. Seubtract attitude, and see if I can make a New and Improved scumputer (don't tell DGB!).

Yeah, this posts makes me feel openly paranoid of WP-scum.

Sigh.

ftr, I thought tso was town cos I thought he had a pr

This makes sense to me.

and gm responded to it.

This does not - I'd like this explained further, thanks.

[T S O]

I will tell you what I told guy. far threw suspicion at titus for being more vocal than usual which was kind of funny cos I don't think titus is being very vocal at all. to me it reads as a bullshit meta read that 1 is likely to give on a scummate to create some distance but then she leaped all over me when I disagreed with her despite me being the 1 to provide evidence in a game where titus was pretty much pl-ed cos of excessive and noise generating. she then shifts the goalposts to change her narrative that we must be scum cos I am supposedly accusing her of lying. her logic makes no sense.

This makes sense from a surface pov where I haven't looked at the interactions in-depth.

How sure are you on this?

if you look at how titus reacted to far first to try to tell far that what people are saying is correct but she puts it in a way that doesn't make waves and then later townreads far for bullshit meta reasons of her own. this is pretty classic scum!titus talking about a teammate.

Can you show us meta of this happening before?

[T S O]

Elbirn reminds me of one of my scumgames a while back where I tryharded like fuck - I don't feel comfortable townreading him yet.

I also have yet to find a solid townread. This is not a good thing.

[T S O]

I'm finally caught up though!

[Witness Protection]

This feels a little bit like WP panicking and trying to appear nonchalant and not quite pulling it off.

Can you expand on the panic part? How is misreading a post where I assumed he was going to Town claim, panicking?

Yeah, this posts makes me feel openly paranoid of WP-scum.

At that moment in the game, I was openly paranoid of my Town reads. I'd

almost

guarantee some, if not all of the scums were taking a wait and see approach at the time.

@ T S O

Did you read 171? What is it about 177 that makes you

mildly

uneasy? You called the vote in the post (171) the "shittiest ever" and " I want Brantz dead now." This doesn't seem to gel good with your other reads.

I also have yet to find a solid townread. This is not a good thing.

There's good reasons scum would say this. It's like saying "none of you are as Townie as me" with the added benefit of not having to give good reads. T S O's read's are superficial enough to look real, without adding anything new or shaking the boat much.

I'm Town reading Belisarius(whom T S O is scum reading) and VM (T S O is Town/scum reading this slot), and have a slight scum read on BRantz. T S O appears to Town read Elrirn up to his last post, then declares he doesn't trust him yet.

T S O isn't a Town read yet, but there is some common ground to start from. What are your thoughts on Aeronaut and Seraphim?

I'd like a Seraphim lynch Today, but it may be too late to start a wagon from scratch. Scratch that.

VOTE: Seraphim

If anyone's Town reading this slot, please, explain why.

[Belisarius]

Me and Beli's reads really should not be diametrically opposed after 5 pages. This does not make me feel good about Belisarius.

Have you just crossed over from the Mirror Universe? The only clear memory I have of our reads ever being particularly synched was Street Racers: London. Remember how town I was that game? I mean, I flipped cop and everything.

I do, however, have very clear recollections of not understanding your reads on numerous occasions.

[Elbirn]

Vla Posting wheee

To TSO. you said nothing but good things about me, then threw it out the windown with "elbirn trys Too hard to be town"? Literally what? If you read any of my games you'd see I play this way every game. It's a side effect of me having an Internet addiction and too much free time. but you don't say it based on my own playstyle, you compare it to yourself, which is just invalid and hokey.

To witness, why do you say nothing but bad things about tso and then end with "you're not a townread but there's common ground"? Your thought process is nonsense.

[Witness Protection]

To witness, why do you say nothing but bad things about tso and then end with "you're not a townread but there's common ground"? Your thought process is nonsense.

It all comes back to being wrong enough times to know that Today's scum read might be Tomorrow's Town read. Just because someone's not a firm Town read doesn't mean you want to burn the bridge this early. We might need to work together later. He can show me why he thinks what he did isn't scummy, and I'll adjust my read accordingly.

Should I throw away a BRantz scum read because I don't like a lot about T S O's catch up? In the scheme of things he doesn't appear an option for a lynch Today anyway. I think it's pretty clear the slots I'm willing to lynch.

What are your feelings about T S O's posts? Can you see where my skepticism (with his catch up)comes from? Since our actions appear nonsense to you, what bothers you the most? Do you see a net gain for scum doing it?

[T S O]

Me and Beli's reads really should not be diametrically opposed after 5 pages. This does not make me feel good about Belisarius.

Have you just crossed over from the Mirror Universe? The only clear memory I have of our reads ever being particularly synched was Street Racers: London. Remember how town I was that game? I mean, I flipped cop and everything.

I do, however, have very clear recollections of not understanding your reads on numerous occasions.

Well, my reads were pretty damn good in SR.

Your point about our reads usually being different doesn't do it for me. After a day or so? Perhaps. After 5 pages, most of them garbage? No.

To TSO. you said nothing but good things about me, then threw it out the windown with "elbirn trys Too hard to be town"? Literally what? If you read any of my games you'd see I play this way every game. It's a side effect of me having an Internet addiction and too much free time. but you don't say it based on my own playstyle, you compare it to yourself, which is just invalid and hokey.

I think I said I liked one of your posts. This is not the same as praising you repeatedly.

I am saying the playstyle you use is easy to townread, from experience, as either alignment, and am encouraging caution towards carelessly doing that.