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God of Power Outlets · Post Post #800 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:30 pm

The third-head, the Spiteful one turned to the Angry One as his angry snores cut through the silence. He gave a small snort. Meanwhile The Majestic head continues to furiously whip up a storm of headiness and fury among the plebs as they all come before his grace, one by one, to plead which among them was most scummy and deserved to be bashed upon by The Beast's mighty Scumrod.

"Copper is a-okay in my book, please step to the back of the line...The Angry One doesn't like lollygaggers..." the Spiteful One spoke, as Molla and Om, sexy henchmen to The Beast escort the fair maiden Copper to the back of the line. "Voneflare, you and Lucian have already been judged worthy to receive the full majesty of our Scumrod. deathfisaro, you may now plead your case...but speak quickly and sufficiently, for The Majestic One is not afraid to whip his shaft around in a frenzy."

Soren · Post Post #801 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:31 pm

Om do you still think drixx is scum? What do you make of his claim?

Om of the Nom · Post Post #802 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:35 pm

↑ Soren wrote:Om do you still think drixx is scum? What do you make of his claim?

my read is on hold
his behaviour is extremely anti-town no matter how you look at it
but he actually legitimately could just be misguided and not playing great right now
i dont know what i think of his claim either

im basically pushing him out of my mind until further notice, there are other things to do right now

God of Power Outlets · Post Post #803 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:35 pm

↑ Om of the Nom wrote:
↑ God of Power Outlets wrote:holy fucking shit did you literally just ask for the other CONFIRMED TOWN PLAYER to out themselves?

ON DAY FUCKING ONE

holy shit

no don't fucking do that pardner

the rest of his iso is subpar too
especially that jab at molla oh my

deathfisaro was added, in blood, to his list of people to lynch

deathfisaro · Post Post #804 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:22 pm

I'm scum for asking people who already voluntarily outed themselves as masons to confirm each other? Interesting stretch.

Never-melt-ice · Post Post #805 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:27 pm

Don't do that pardner.

Pirate Ika · Post Post #806 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:44 pm

↑ copper223 wrote:I am not discussing ongoing games, talking about activity in general terms is explicitly allowed by the site guidelines.

you are not talking about general activity you are talking about something specific in an ongoing game and are asking people to iso our onsite activity to see what you are talking about don't be a weasel especially after threatening to send the list mods after trouser pple. I thought you were better than this.

om how exactly am I being lackluster I feel like this thread contains some of my wittiest posts ever.

I like to call ika terrible specifically so i can spend 4 hours on the phone with him asking why.

also nacho is coming down in less than a week so fuck you pple I have things to look forward to.

also also some1 else is on the naughty list but I forget who BUT DON'T WORRY I WILL REMEMBER

Pirate Ika · Post Post #807 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:56 pm

↑ BRantz wrote:@pika (mollie specifically): Are you posting almost all of the hydra posts so far?

the silly 1s are from ika. does that help?

the eloquent glorious incredibly beautiful posts of course come from me.

if you think molla looks townier than i do than there is something disturbingly wrong with you.

copper223 · Post Post #808 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:16 pm

@Mollie
I guess you have a point there regarding the first part, the connection with Kuribo's behavior though is complete BS.

Drixx · Post Post #809 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:05 pm

@BB - Off the top of my head, the only strong scum read I have atm (Ice's earlier oddity that caught my attention seems meaningless now) is Lucian. He hasn't put a lot into the game, which clashes with prior experience. The big ping from him was his response to Om's post, where he was super complimentary and felt super convinced that I was scum, but then he hedged and didn't vote, and has gone dark since. This feels opportunistic to me, and the lack of engagement doesn't fit my experience with him.

There have been a few other posts that pinged my attention here and there. I will skim through and quote them out soon.

Pirate Ika · Post Post #810 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:26 pm

↑ copper223 wrote:@Mollie
I guess you have a point there regarding the first part, the connection with Kuribo's behavior though is complete BS.

the connection is that technically both are board wide rule violations. different rules yes but but you don't get to pick and choose which 1s you feel are worth honouring. I mean you can't get all

cos kuribo was spazzing out and studiously ignore that you compromised 2 ongoing games.

I like you copper and that is why I am telling you this! when I first got here I said some stuff way worse than what kuribo has said just ask kuribo! I was a royal cunt but over time I got nicer mostly cos I began to meet some of these pple IRL and I fell in love with them and also cos I saw the effects of repeated negativity has on pple. if you want safety words for kuribo to help break through his ragey moments ask for kuribo the white. personally I think he was just shit talking until it escalated which probs doesn't excuse it but if you reach out to him he will respond cos he is not an avocado but a man with a decent amount of empathy.

there are other ways of handling things than running to the list mods (barring out of game communication which shld not be allowed ever and pple who do it shld perish in mordor).

also I look forward to the 9 trillion nks I just attracted cos no way are we getting lynched in this game ever.

mastina where are you

BBmolla · Post Post #811 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:30 pm

↑ Drixx wrote:@BB - Off the top of my head, the only strong scum read I have atm (Ice's earlier oddity that caught my attention seems meaningless now) is Lucian. He hasn't put a lot into the game, which clashes with prior experience. The big ping from him was his response to Om's post, where he was super complimentary and felt super convinced that I was scum, but then he hedged and didn't vote, and has gone dark since. This feels opportunistic to me, and the lack of engagement doesn't fit my experience with him.

There have been a few other posts that pinged my attention here and there. I will skim through and quote them out soon.

ty

Drixx · Post Post #812 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:49 pm

I wanted to make sure I wasn't just OMGUS on Lucian before I put pressure on him.

@Lucian - Come out Come out. You should see my suspicion of you in #809.

VOTE: Lucian

More reads coming when my D3 play partner goes to sleep. I napped this afternoon, so I'll be up awhile. I can't promise they will be high quality, but it's probably far enough into day 1 to at least form a baseline on everyone. Not looking forward to sifting through the 800 posts, but I'll do it.

@Cerberus - Pick it up slacker. I know you have some reads.

@Copper - Ika is right. You gotta be careful about what you say about ongoing games. I misunderstood the rule and got in a bit of hot water for saying FAR LESS than you did. You cannot say anything at all substantive about an ongoing game. Err on the side of caution. An unguarded sentence can have a significant negative effect on a game.

Ozgin · Post Post #813 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:00 pm

Spoiler: Partial ISO of vonflair, my reads and what stood out to me.

VOTE: vonflaire

If you can refute enough of my points, von, I'll consider toon for my vote instead, but you have to build a good case against them. You know, that thing that you still haven't done for Oranje but have beeen FoSing him and Ice for a good portion of the game?

VysePresident · Post Post #814 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:54 pm

So...let's play Good News, Bad News.

Good news is that, due to a mix-up in my schedule tomorrow, I basically have most of the late afternoon/early-evening for fun stuff like Mafia, when I thought I was going to be spending it on fun stuff like a Taekwondo tournament.

The bad news is, that's because it's happening a lot earlier than I realized. (6 A.M. a.k.a. four hours from now. I expected the patterns stuff to be early, and sparring to be later. Turns out to be the other way around.)

So yeah. Post not coming tonight after all. Catch you all tomorrow. Sorry.

ChriVi · Post Post #815 (ISO) » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:59 pm

VOTE: Vonflare

What BBMolla said kthx

copper223 · Post Post #816 (ISO) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:57 am

Here's where I am at after having a close look at all of your ISO's:

Town:

TPTG: The point BRantz made about the Kuribo meltdown being most likely town is a good one and I agree, the mason claim also makes it very likely they are town (still not confirmed buddies).

Ice: He explained well and with genuine feeling why he decided to claim as he did, most of his recent posts seem pretty townie as well and I have seen him pursue some of the same points I was asking myself about so it looks to me like he is trying to figure out who the scum are here.

BBmolla: he claimed a confirmable role that can help town, he is in the town pile because of this until we decide we want to cash in, preferably as early as possible is my pov on this.

Oranje: the hydra dissonance read and wgeurts being much more upfront in the way he is answering this game while he came off as manipulative and a bit condescending in our earlier one where he was mafia is more enough than enough for me to townread the slot.

BRantz: the first player to give a readlist with some valuable content, like he said maybe there is some confbias because we seem to be reading the game the same way at crucial points, but more often than not this happens to me when the other player is town as well.
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the above players are off the table for me for today.

Likely town

Drixx: I don't really see ActionDan coming to Drixx's defence in that kind of manner and he had shown no interest in defending him before the claim so there problably is a connection between their roles, Drixx's case on Lucian seems like a promising start to solving the game instead of worrying about what playstile to use this time.

ActionDan: Connected with Drixx, if the first is town, it is likely the second is as well, there is little reason for scum_Dan to defend a townie using a fakeclaim, if the two stick around as a pair for a while and we seem to be lynching only townies this needs to be reviewed.

Om: one of the few who is genuinely appearing to be scumhunting, I would be annoyed if she is actually scum because that would say quite a bit about the quality of most of the town players here, my read on her has fallen off a bit for how willing she was to switch from Drixx to someone else, I know when I am in tunnel mode it's pretty hard to get me to shift to someone else but maybe that's just me, other than that I think her play has earned her quite a few town points.
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I would need a very good reason to consider the above players for a lynch today.

Fence town

deathfisaro: having just finished a scumgame with him I think all in all he is more likely to be town here, he was asking about mason mechanics and if they are confirmed town to each other, not for masons to out themselves so TGTP's scumread of the guy is pretty baseless as most of their posts this game, even if he had asked for such a thing while it would be really bad and pretty dumb it's not the kind of dumb you catch scum for.

Soren: not much to go with here but he is at least asking questions and giving his opinion on most points of interest in the game, the way he said he wouldn't mind claiming came off as townie to me. If players are not answering your questions ask again, the way you sometimes let it slide makes me wonder if you are really interested in their answers or just marking town and that's why you are not higher up in the list. The fact Lucian still hasn't given a read on you is also bugging me.

Reubus: this is purely a meta read on Reubus from our previous game, he pulled the same kind of: oopsie I wrote a post which was deleted and now I have to leave, will come back later, more than once which made me quite happy as scum because it looked like an easy lynch. You need to say what you think if you are town and you want to improve here, take an ISO of a player make some notes about what you think looks town and what you don't understand, ask what they ment and proceed from there, as is you are lynchbait this game again if you are town. I am still waiting for your answer as to why nobody is pressuring you this game.

Toon fighter: Having played with you I think this is more likely to be more of the same town Toon, 249 has some town value, if you are town you always get in trouble because you come in to sheep the major cases of the day without much justification and it looks like you manage to pick town more often than not to do so, still waiting for your answer about Copper vs VDA not making you think a bit more about a 1v1 before joining a wagon.
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everyone else below this line is lynchable at this point in time.

Fence

Cerberus: you come off as a late game player and every post from you is a careful study in not giving much away, you are at the top of the fence list for your comment about not having anything other than disliking roleclaims which is a comment a townie is more likely to make than scum, but then again if you are brazen scum you might pull it off as well, the fact you and Drixx aren't trying to read each other had me worried for a while there but you coming in to say Drixx is a blank for you when he was getting heavily pressured and the fact he is looking more townie now makes me think the two of you are just content trying to figure each other out later in the game.

Lucian: Your posting style hasn't changed much from our previous game and you have done some things you did as town there too, but the point Drixx made about the strong lack of activity is resonating because you were really eager and active the last time around which can't really be said here, it's also true that your posting style comes off as slightly scummy to me anyway so it may be easier for you to mask actually being scum, I want to hear your reply to Drixx's case and I'd like for you to finally answer me on Soren, this is crucial for me to decide if my initial read of you was correct.

ChriVi: You guys might have been riding the hate on Kuribo to get in a PL, on the other hand the way you questioned the rest of us for not reacting to your neighbourhood claim looked like genuine miffed town and you were pretty open about it, I can't read you yet based on what I have.

Vonflare: I don't know about you, I think the pressure on you makes some sense and I want to hear how you reply to Oz's case so I can decide where to sort you for today, I think Ice may be onto something with his read on you so I'm not sold.

Jackel98: Other than saying you are a terrible town player and disagreeing with neighbours outing themselves there is nothing to look at here, I can't get an alignment read based on those, if you want to improve your town game the first step is actually trying to figure out the game and posting something, yes?

PeregrineV: should repalce out.

Boonskiies: you are hiding your thoughts and posting nonsense, since you have demonstrated you can fool people as scum I am holding you to the same standards as everyone else and this kind of play is lynch-worthy

Ozgin: It looks like you are trying to solve the game and I liked your reaction to the Ice and BBmolla claims for their consistency, both times you reacted negatively and in a paranoid way; you made a case on Vonflare and you had an original take on the BBmolla claim, the problem is the targets you are landing on are all very opportunistic, if you look at BBmolla without the confirming side of his role, a PL push on him is an easy plan for scum, sheeping Om on Drixx is also handy and now you are following up on Vonflare, the next LHF, the fact you bothered to make a case could also be scum not wanting to be seen as sheeping and getting heat for it... hard to say but if you are scum you're the clever kind so I am weary.

Dani: your activity level and the way you are going about this game is completely different from our last one, I don't know if you don't have the time to do so anymore or you are lost because this is a large, but it just looks just as likely you might be hiding something.

Pirate Ika: I am getting mixed signals from the hydra, if I had to judge the latest posts from Mollie alone I'd say this is her town posting and that's usually pretty distinctive, but I don't know what the heck was going on with the Drixx read then

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Fence Scum

Bulbasaur Commonwealth: here we are, back again to no content from the three of you for no reason I can think of after making a case on LHF Lucian and giving the minimum number of reads possible to make sure everyone leaves you alone.
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Scum

Narninian: The vote unvote on BBmolla could be scum going for the exposed target and backing down when no traction is gained, other than that the few posts from you are mainly about setup spec and seem to disagree with the consensus about what can help and what can hinder town, pretty scummy posting overall.

VysePresident: when a player repeatedely apologizes for not posting in the way you are doing it he is more likely scum than not and knows he should post something but really doesn't want to draw attention to himself, the more he waits and the harder it is to get back in, does that remind you of someone deathfisaro? Add that you made my Bulbasaur post prediction come through early with your: I don't like the Drixx wagon and Drixx is a cool dude (I agree!) after his wagon died down, the purpose of which is to make you sounds good and compound it with your confused and yet unexplained scumread of me and your initial reactions to the claims which were all about questioning the players questioning them, which makes me think you know more than the average joe about their alignment and like to question townies that are either genuinely mistaken or gunning your teammates, I think you are scum.

VOTE: VysePresident

Om of the Nom · Post Post #817 (ISO) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:07 am

↑ copper223 wrote:Om: one of the few who is genuinely appearing to be scumhunting, I would be annoyed if she is actually scum because that would say quite a bit about the quality of most of the town players here, my read on her has fallen off a bit for how willing she was to switch from Drixx to someone else, I know when I am in tunnel mode it's pretty hard to get me to shift to someone else but maybe that's just me, other than that I think her play has earned her quite a few town points.

do you think i would gain much more from continuing to tunnel at this point?
if so then ur free to pick up where i left off

Om of the Nom · Post Post #818 (ISO) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:17 am

im happy with the first two town categories but the fence town consists of lackluster players and probably has at least 1 scum in it (bets r on death rn)
ur fence reads make me really angry to read for some reason
ur vyse read makes me surprisingly happy and i feel this will be a gripping tale as it develops

copper223 · Post Post #819 (ISO) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:23 am

@Om
Most players here seem determined to ignore my reads, I still give them anyway, if I think a player is scum I'll try to continue to convince people regardless of how likely it is they will follow me, but as Drixx said about your case on him: this is my playstile and it doesn't make sense nor is it fair for me to expect everyone else to play the same way.

The fence reads are by definition the ones where it's most likely I screwed up so I'd bet on you being right on someone as well.

Om of the Nom · Post Post #820 (ISO) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:27 am

ok thats cool and all but it doesnt answer my question

like im not criticizing ur playstyle here, im talking about your reads

copper223 · Post Post #821 (ISO) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:31 am

You asked me if you would gain much by pushing Drixx and I told you that's an irrelevant consideration as far as I am concerned, if you want my best guess you would not gain much by continuing to push him but that doesn't fully explained why you stopped, at least based on how I play the game.

Om of the Nom · Post Post #822 (ISO) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:34 am

ok so
you're telling me your read on me lessened for stopping the tunneling when you yourself cannot really think of a reason for why it should continue

thats p silly

copper223 · Post Post #823 (ISO) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:41 am

No, I said if I were in your position and thought Drixx was scum I would continue to scumread him regardless of how much I would have to gain from it. I asked you if you still think he is scum and you said you put that read on hold, that kind of detachment is easier to have when you are not invested in your reads because you are scum, so there are two possiblities here: a) you are more practical than me when you play town and go for what you can realistically achieve so the above doesn't apply to you as it does to me b) it does apply to you as well and that is actually scum indicative, since I have not played with you and I can't know for sure we are in category a) my townread of you has waned a bit, it's still a townread because of all the rest of your posts to date.

Om of the Nom · Post Post #824 (ISO) » Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:54 am

ok
i see what you mean now