We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[LucianRoy]

Finally catching-up.
This time I'm making a multi-quote chain.

[LucianRoy]

I read Boonskies as town for that one vote he had on Oranje. That was a decent vote, which made complete sense from boon's point of view. Despite the fact that it was somewhat of an elaborate OMGUS vote, it had way more substance to it than Oranje's vote did.

Also, Soren needs to stop with the "Oh hey, this is town. I like this." posts. They don't really expound much on anything.
Then again, he does that sometimes when he's town...

On page 17, I'm currently reading Boonskies and Soren as town.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

I kinda like copper's reads so far (except the one on us, cuz it's clearly wrong :p), although I don't agree with a couple of them: Deathfiasco being one because even your interpretation is disingenuous because masons are confirmed town to themselves and the game as a whole (and because I doubt even a mashup of two 13ps wouldn't include scummasons). Some of them I just really haven't seen all the much of recently (boonskies (yes he's posted recently but I just don't really see anything yet), narninian, jackel, and Reubus).

826 from vonflare still feels bleh and too defensive, 827 from TF feels even bleh-er. The tone of the posts irks me, mainly.

Considering that I wondered why a 3 people hydra would only have 6 posts in a 6 day old game. I don't like the votes either

Because we're all busy? Just because we're three heads doesn't mean we suddenly have 3x the activity (and don't try to use Pika or TPTG to say otherwise, their heads post a lot more than we three do)

This seems like a pretty obvious thing to point out, but isn't "Mason" really just a "Neighbor" claim with a better sounding role?

In a way, except Neighbors can be scum while Masons explicitly cannot be of different alignments (they can be both scum or both town, not one scum and one town).

I think you misunderstand. Perhaps I am biased; strike that, I

know

I'm biased because one of the people on that hydra was posting very discomforting stuff all day phase even before the blow up. I'm suggesting that one of the people on the hydra decided to claim mason instead of neighbor, when not actually mason. This stems from a bit of hesitation to believe that a mason team would be in a 13 person game; however, my experience is primarily off site and masons wouldn't have been used in that playgroup with under 20 people.

Possible, but still kinda risky. Mainly because in multiball scenarios it puts big, fat targets on your head for the other team to shoot (if hypo-you-scum is claiming masons with hypo-scum-TPTG, they have equally less reason to keep you alive as if you two are actually town masons). Granted, there is likely at least one protective that can help (simply due to statistical probability), but still, they just have to kill one of the claimed partners to bring it down.

(Now, causing there to potentially be one conftown is something else entirely, but eh, that's the risk)

I feel better about Soren's sheepvote over Chrivi's, though I'm not very keen on Chrivi, anyways.

I am wondering why with 3 heads those saurus creatures haven't done anything like I feel like I have been stood up.

Look ahead! We (well, I) won't let you down!

I even got dressed (which is hella hard for my size, lemme tell you).

well
i wasnt inclined to care about it

After you harped on drixx for ignoring votes on him? Sounds a bit disingenuous. (Yes I know most of your case was based on drixx's lack of reads and self-centeredness, etc., but still)

vote: Vysepresident

Sheeping Copper at this point even though he's wrong about me.

Vote's okay, but I do agree with Om a little. Got anything else to add?

@ChriVi:
Well I wanted to see what Om's gonna say knowing it was a bait. If someone tells me they are reaction testing me when I'm town, I'll just acknowledge it and laugh over the silliness. If someone does that when I'm scum, I'd not directly respond.
You're so focused on the vote you are not reading 866~868 when those are what I wanted.

Why do you think I should remove my vote, is it because the trap failed, or is it because you like 866~868? How do you explain your unnecessarily excessive concern about Om's well-being at just 1 vote?

Yknow that reactiontests fail as soon as they're acknowledged as such, right? This is therefore pointless.

he knows we aren't getting lynched if we die it will be through night actions so he is using the opportunity to troll which is something a lot of my hydra partners do. usually they just run around impersonating me at least ika has decided to just role play which actually shld make it easier!

And It makes me like you more as town (not just because I have a propensity to start doing that, too, albeit in private company (DON'T YOU DARE TAKE THAT OUT OF CONTEXT, T-BONE!)).

898 reads as rather genuine (considering I've made a somewhat similar post--in tone, at least--I can kinda feel for you).

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bulbasaur Commonwealth

BETRAYAL!

It however could be real, however with two setups it looks more like a scum role than town. Why not full BP? Why only against one faction?

Someone (I think AD) mentioned the possibility that it could've been to a specific faction because of the setup mashup. It's plausible at the very least.

Vyse is too disconnected from his wagon, looks like hoping that some magical scapegoat would appear and take all his wagoners while he is in hiding. Or not just his wagon but the whole game, that it will play itself.

I think I'll have to check this myself to see if it's true.

Not bad re: Vyse.

We're not mass claiming today, fuck that, whoever started that should be asharmed

At least it wasn't Ika.

There is no reason why neighbors should not claim today. It's not like they're the ones in danger from this, unless they're scum and don't want me to investigate them.

If one of the neighbors have a PR, then I don't think they should. Even if they're all VTs, I don't really see why they should claim today (other than because of your role, and even then I don't think

every

potential neighbor should claim).

OKAY, THERE WE GO!

Vote: Vonflare

Lucian and Vyse are also acceptable. Now I need to find and throttle my fellow brother and sister, and get them to post.

-Ivysaur

[BBmolla]

I'm not opposed to any of the top wagons, but I think Lucian is most likely to flip scum, Vonflare might just be a VI and Vyse just keeps putting shit off.

[Marquis]

If one of the neighbors have a PR, then I don't think they should. Even if they're all VTs, I don't really see why they should claim today (other than because of your role, and even then I don't think every potential neighbor should claim).

They don't have to claim their PR. I just want to know if they're a neighbor. And I don't see how them just claiming neighbor makes them any more likely to have another PR in scum's view.

[Marquis]

While I wouldn't classify vonflare's contributions as VI (the term is more than a little extreme), I'm very sure he's town. And the wagon just looks... subpar. Ivysaur, half a line of analysis on vonflare there and you vote him over Toon?

[LucianRoy]

Is there some kind of read that can be formulated out of the confusion presented in Orange's Hydra?
I feel like the de-synchronization between the two heads could actually mean something.

[Never-melt-ice]

If one of the neighbors have a PR, then I don't think they should. Even if they're all VTs, I don't really see why they should claim today (other than because of your role, and even then I don't think every potential neighbor should claim).

They don't have to claim their PR. I just want to know if they're a neighbor. And I don't see how them just claiming neighbor makes them any more likely to have another PR in scum's view.

While I wouldn't classify vonflare's contributions as VI (the term is more than a little extreme), I'm very sure he's town. And the wagon just looks... subpar. Ivysaur, half a line of analysis on vonflare there and you vote him over Toon?

I have different skins how did this even happen

[LucianRoy]

Oh yeah, page 20.

[BBmolla]

If one of the neighbors have a PR, then I don't think they should. Even if they're all VTs, I don't really see why they should claim today (other than because of your role, and even then I don't think every potential neighbor should claim).

They don't have to claim their PR. I just want to know if they're a neighbor. And I don't see how them just claiming neighbor makes them any more likely to have another PR in scum's view.

While I wouldn't classify vonflare's contributions as VI (the term is more than a little extreme), I'm very sure he's town. And the wagon just looks... subpar. Ivysaur, half a line of analysis on vonflare there and you vote him over Toon?

I have different skins how did this even happen

Well this is awkward

[Never-melt-ice]

Do I have more credibility now or

[BBmolla]

Doesn't really change my opinion of you tbh

[LucianRoy]

Gunning for town-cred isn't a good thing.
It should come naturally from your posts and such.

Irony...

[BBmolla]

^Holy fuck please lynch this

[LucianRoy]

Ika is an oddball. The only time I have seen him get invested in a game was when a wagon formed on him.

Are you subtly suggesting something?

[LucianRoy]

Maybe I should just claim.
It would be a lot of work to salvage my town game at this point.
But so many people have already claimed today; it'd probably be another tally on death-list in the morning.

[Soren]

I read Boonskies as town for that one vote he had on Oranje. That was a decent vote, which made complete sense from boon's point of view. Despite the fact that it was somewhat of an elaborate OMGUS vote, it had way more substance to it than Oranje's vote did.

Also, Soren needs to stop with the "Oh hey, this is town. I like this." posts. They don't really expound much on anything.
Then again, he does that sometimes when he's town...

On page 17, I'm currently reading Boonskies and Soren as town.

Aren't you doing the same thing lol

[Never-melt-ice]

Toon Fighter is still scum, and vonflare is still... not.

[Drixx]

Maybe I should just claim.
It would be a lot of work to salvage my town game at this point.
But so many people have already claimed today; it'd probably be another tally on death-list in the morning.

Really? You get four this time:

[LucianRoy]

Drixx, don't give me that.
I'm busy man, and I don't want to be a hinderance to the town anymore by being inactive.
My time to play is spotty, but I still want to be helpful.

[LucianRoy]

Actually, claiming my role might be extremely beneficial to town.
But my speculation on other roles' powers might counter its usefulness.

[BBmolla]

You could replace out instead if you don't have the time

Just saying

[BRantz]

tbone are you...

flirting with me?

okay I know ut is out of town and kuribo works a ton. can you walk me through your unvote on vonny other than you think neverice made a point that for some strange reason that I really can't understand you agree with?

babe, let the third-head tell you something soulful. I'm a bad man, a part of a sexy monster...but I have dreams you know....I sleep even when my other heads do not...I dream....I dream of golden fields of dongs....I dream of this game....A game in which nevermeltice's defense of vonflare as a VI resonated with me....

I think he has a point in saying vonflare is just playing bad and playing bad doesn't equal scum, and upon looking at my Scumrod in the mirror and shouting it down, I realized that there are other scummy players in this game, and they deserve the same tender loving care from the three prongs the stick out from our trousers that we have given vonflare. I'm not saying vonflare is town, I'm saying I've backed off on my read a bit because I can see some points another player is making. We all had a talk in our temple made of stone and dongs, and we have other mutual reads to pursue. I didn't pursue them in that post, because I was phone-posting and unvoting was difficult enough.

Vote: deathfisaro

Come get some TLC from my mighty Scumrod buddy. You're sketchy as fuck, and until you alleviate that, you shall drink from my mighty dong.

My sexy pirates, our other mutual scumreads are Lucian, Soren, and Vyse (death), can you talk to me babe?

I'm not scum.

This is just awful posting.

If one of the neighbors have a PR, then I don't think they should. Even if they're all VTs, I don't really see why they should claim today (other than because of your role, and even then I don't think every potential neighbor should claim).

They don't have to claim their PR. I just want to know if they're a neighbor. And I don't see how them just claiming neighbor makes them any more likely to have another PR in scum's view.

While I wouldn't classify vonflare's contributions as VI (the term is more than a little extreme), I'm very sure he's town. And the wagon just looks... subpar. Ivysaur, half a line of analysis on vonflare there and you vote him over Toon?

I have different skins how did this even happen

lol... oh hi marquis! (I am excited to actually play a game with you since you didn't have time for Persona)

Ika is an oddball. The only time I have seen him get invested in a game was when a wagon formed on him.

Are you subtly suggesting something?

Obviously not. Just telling copper about my experience with ika. I see no reason why we should wagon pika today, and mollies recent posting has me leaning town there.

Not a fan of Lucian's current "should or shouldn't I claim" teasing he is doing.

Soren's posting for the past few pages has been completely awful.

[Marquis]

You say it's awful, and I say it's null, not scummy.

Sometimes the easiest answer is the right one. But a lot of the time, town posts like that because they're nowhere near as concerned about self-image than scum are.

I haven't yet decided which. Problem is I need to see him actually trying to connect himself to others for me to read him, so a policy lynch is okay with me at the moment. But not the best choice today by far.

[Never-melt-ice]

You say it's awful, and I say it's null, not scummy.

Sometimes the easiest answer is the right one. But a lot of the time, town posts like that because they're nowhere near as concerned about self-image than scum are.

I haven't yet decided which. Problem is I need to see him actually trying to connect himself to others for me to read him, so a policy lynch is okay with me at the moment. But not the best choice today by far.

:cop: