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[Cerberus v666]

Oh, also, Vyse: If I'm reading the +/-'s and the meaning behind them correctly, shouldn't you be voting for me?

[deathfisaro]

Lucian - (Effectively leaning Town at this point, but keeping him here because there's stuff I want to touch on in general.) - Pinged me early on for having an odd tone, hence my interest in trying to get a feel for him. There's some off-notes, but at this point, I'm seeing a lot of stuff getting projected on to him over his actual play. Honestly, this is something I'm noticing in almost all the main wagons, and I don't really want to touch them at this point for that reason.

I also skimmed his ISO in another game of his, and I'm noticing a similar tone to this game. Not really finding him more interesting than my actual scumreads. {Future Vyse - Yes, I

know

where the momentum is heading now, and that I'm in a convenient spot etc. It wasn't the case when I was pulling these notes together. Take that as you will.}

You skimmed the encyclopedia Lucian wrote in that game but thought it was too much effort to skim 5 other people's who are also in this game?
Like you haven't been paying attention to me being a reason behind your null read, what inspired the huge commitment to read Lucian's book? The effort discrepancy is abnormal, it feels like you wanted to townread Lucian no matter what and needed supporting evidences. The amount of stuff he put out is way beyond average human being's willingness to read for the sake of verifying someone else's townread.
And since you're matching town_Lucian's tone in this game with town_Lucian's tone in the other game, what stopped you from matching scum_copper's tone in this game with scum_copper's tone in the other game?

[copper223]

@Vyse
This is the second time you preemptively call my read a mess before actually giving it and I think that covering possible avenues of attack before posting your reads is indicative of your mindset.

Bulbasaur and you are not scumreads on lurkers, they are scumreads on strategic lurkers whose posts have actually pinged me pretty hard when you have posted something and I have illustrated why on multiple occasions, as a contrast my reads on PeregrineV or Jackel98 have been completly null to date, so you can't hide behind me going after lurkers as a matter of course or as an attempt to equate bad play (as in lurker play) to scumplay.

@Toon
Yes I am saying those who are rushing out to talk now that there is a dayvig claim after being allegedly too busy before have a higher chance than average of being scum lurkers as opposed to town lurkers because the speed with which they reacted is an indicator they might be following the game and

choosing

not to post.

@Marquis
Propose better vig shots if you don't like the names floating about.

[VysePresident]

P-Edit -

Two things, Vyse:
That's mine and my uncle's fave game.

and I hate your tone in every one of your posts so deal with it
How does that make me scummy exactly?

1) YOU KNOW THE GAME!!!1!ELEVEN!!! You're the coolest ever.

2) Screw you

Jokes aside, there's an aggression to that post that bugs me. Why was Lucian so freaking scummy? It's the intensity that's bugging me here.

(In other news, I'm curious if I've played with an alt of yours before? I'm flattered to be on your list in 416, but it's kinda awkward since I don't actually know you. :/ )

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(@Cerberus)...and your thoughts? Reads? Please?

Invitation goes to Von & Narnian too.

[deathfisaro]

Sorry mod- I'm here.

Because you posted this 2 hours ago and I don't really expect you to be still making a post for the whole duration, I'm assuming you've posted this and left.
With that assumption, if you were gone for so long that pushed the mod to start finding a replacement, doesn't it (well apparently cuttlefish's pronoun is "it" =P) deserve an explanation?
If the fellow players in this game are of any worth to you, please state your excuse. I won't judge.

[Marquis]

@Marquis
Propose better vig shots if you don't like the names floating about.

oh no, i'm talking about lynches

we have so few of them in between multiple scum nightkills that i'd rather not waste them on what are essentially groupthink policy lynches

feel free to vig the ones with little contribution (or the rare ones you don't like and oddly enough i don't like as well), namely:

3. Toon Fighter
5. Ozgin
13. PeregrineV
16. BRantz
19. Soren
21. deathfisaro
23. Reubus Swagrid
24. Dani

and out of those i think we should limit our lynchpool to:

3. Toon Fighter
3. Toon Fighter
3. Toon Fighter

[Marquis]

{Bumping this up, because I'm nodding along through Ice's 748.}

the general analysis of toon's approach to reads/main pushes still applies here too

[copper223]

@Marquis
Do you also discount the use of meta as one of the head of the Bulbasaur Commonwealth? If not take a look at his D1 of Mini 1642, I was pretty confident Toon Fighter was scum but turns out he wasn't so I don't think he is an easy read based on common criteria like how opportunistic a player seems.

[Cerberus v666]

P-Edit -

Two things, Vyse:
That's mine and my uncle's fave game.

and I hate your tone in every one of your posts so deal with it
How does that make me scummy exactly?

1) YOU KNOW THE GAME!!!1!ELEVEN!!! You're the coolest ever.

2) Screw you

Jokes aside, there's an aggression to that post that bugs me. Why was Lucian so freaking scummy? It's the intensity that's bugging me here.

(In other news, I'm curious if I've played with an alt of yours before? I'm flattered to be on your list in 416, but it's kinda awkward since I don't actually know you. :/ )

---

(@Cerberus)...and your thoughts? Reads? Please?

Invitation goes to Von & Narnian too.

I think I've shared every thought I've had regarding this game. D1's are full of so much crap and meaningless noise(at least, meaningless given the fact that we have no context in which to view those posts), that I tend to reserve judgement until town has some actual information to go off of.

Oh, one thought I have that I haven't shared: I'm a fan of killing lurkers. It helps the least in solving the game, but the most in allowing town to make informed choices in MYLO/LYLO. Since solving the game doesn't ensure victory, and making the correct choices in end game does, it seems like a good move.

[PeregrineV]

Will go back 5 pages unless anyone has a better idea.

[ChriVi]

P-Edit -

Two things, Vyse:
That's mine and my uncle's fave game.

and I hate your tone in every one of your posts so deal with it
How does that make me scummy exactly?

1) YOU KNOW THE GAME!!!1!ELEVEN!!! You're the coolest ever.

2) Screw you

Jokes aside, there's an aggression to that post that bugs me. Why was Lucian so freaking scummy? It's the intensity that's bugging me here.

(In other news, I'm curious if I've played with an alt of yours before? I'm flattered to be on your list in 416, but it's kinda awkward since I don't actually know you. :/ )

---

(@Cerberus)...and your thoughts? Reads? Please?

Invitation goes to Von & Narnian too.

Chrimi and Viomi are my alts
'tis a good game

Also, I think perhaps I mistook you for someone else, because the aggression wouldn't surprise you if we had played together; 'tis my normal playstyle when it comes to mafia.

[PeregrineV]

Sorry mod- I'm here.

Because you posted this 2 hours ago and I don't really expect you to be still making a post for the whole duration, I'm assuming you've posted this and left.
With that assumption, if you were gone for so long that pushed the mod to start finding a replacement, doesn't it (well apparently cuttlefish's pronoun is "it" =P) deserve an explanation?
If the fellow players in this game are of any worth to you, please state your excuse. I won't judge.

Yes.
See my signature #3.

[Oranje Crush]

COPPER IT'S NOT STRATEGIC LURKING IF THEY ARE GENERALLY NOT ON THE SITE, HE POSTED NOWHERE ELSE.
HE'S NOT SCUM (for the reasons you give)

[PeregrineV]

OK, went back to 37.

I like Orange for town, and Vyse for his recent reads list (yes, despite having no frame of reference)

I like Lucian's claim and won't lynch him.

[Cuttlefish]

Magua replaces Soren, who had requested replacement by PM. Welcome!

[Magua]

Magua replaces Soren, who had requested replacement by PM. Welcome!

Hai guiz.

[vonflare]

Hi.

[Magua]

Tell me who I should vote!

[vonflare]

Toon fighter, i guess.

[Magua]

VOTE: Toon Fighter

Done!

[Narninian]

man; that's easy.
Alright.

I'm replacing Narninian: not reading.

Who should I vote for?

[Magua]

Toon Fighter!

[LucianRoy]

Lucian - (Effectively leaning Town at this point, but keeping him here because there's stuff I want to touch on in general.) - Pinged me early on for having an odd tone, hence my interest in trying to get a feel for him. There's some off-notes, but at this point, I'm seeing a lot of stuff getting projected on to him over his actual play. Honestly, this is something I'm noticing in almost all the main wagons, and I don't really want to touch them at this point for that reason.

I also skimmed his ISO in another game of his, and I'm noticing a similar tone to this game. Not really finding him more interesting than my actual scumreads. {Future Vyse - Yes, I

know

where the momentum is heading now, and that I'm in a convenient spot etc. It wasn't the case when I was pulling these notes together. Take that as you will.}

You skimmed the encyclopedia Lucian wrote in that game but thought it was too much effort to skim 5 other people's who are also in this game?
Like you haven't been paying attention to me being a reason behind your null read, what inspired the huge commitment to read Lucian's book? The effort discrepancy is abnormal, it feels like you wanted to townread Lucian no matter what and needed supporting evidences. The amount of stuff he put out is way beyond average human being's willingness to read for the sake of verifying someone else's townread.
And since you're matching town_Lucian's tone in this game with town_Lucian's tone in the other game, what stopped you from matching scum_copper's tone in this game with scum_copper's tone in the other game?

I think Death might be town this game.
He's certainly not playing his submissive scum-game.

Also, no-one should read the book of Lucian. That game is an encyclopedia.

[LucianRoy]

Oh yeah, everybody who voted me earlier, I've got my eyes on you.

Especially the people without reasons *cough* Bulbasaur *cough* Commonwealth *cough*.
I really expected that hydra to make a decent vote. One with more reasons, maybe.

[LucianRoy]

man; that's easy.
Alright.

I'm replacing Narninian: not reading.

Who should I vote for?

BRantz.

Put a vote on him until he gives us those scum-reads.
I really think he was lying about them, given the fact that if they were actually true, he could've given them on the spot.

It doesn't matter. We'll soon see.