Mini 1649: Jabberwocky Mafia (Game Over)

[Elbirn]

Oops, apologies, Axl said that given a choice he will hammer Seraphim. So that's a townlean pseudo on the Seraphim wagon. Looking better imo.

[Witness Protection]

I fear if Sera gets replaced, we may lose a chance to kill a scum. Remember DP's play in Walrus? I see big similarities.

Different game, different players. But play that looks very much the same.

This post makes me think WP is scum and Sera is town.

Even if Sera was scum, town should want a replacement to get associations from Sera.

Mod: Sera's status please

I've heard this argument before and it's still is wrong. Save it for after the flip. What's going to be said if he flips scum? I bussed him?

@ Tier If you're honestly Town, and think I'm scum, build a case or ask me questions again. You said I didn't answer some.

*My opinion* I think BRantz looks a little worse with recent posts, but I think he's still relatively new (or not super experienced), so I buffer the read with that. I might not be here Tomorrow, so I'd like to hear a skeleton (at least) of any scum theories on me, please.

[goodmorning]

He has 5-6 hours to pick up his prod.

Replacing and so forth. Deadline is frozen until a replacement is found.

The clock will restart at 2 days once that happens.

[TierShift]

We'll talk tomorrow, WP.

[AxleGreaser]

Major problem is that a sera townflip will tell us absolutely nothing in regards of associative tells.

Not quite nothing but the push on Sera was thin and late, I suspect mostly driven by not liking the Brantz wagon either. (So Id agree with tell us nothing)

I have not seen any convincing evidence sera is scum other than powerlurking which is a meh tell. I don't want to go into tomorrow with a deadline town wagon.

just assume I said something snide here.

I'd much rather have a more probable scumflip in brantz and a useful day 2 even if he flips town.

...

Town and scum are self-preserving in different ways. Town don't just flip their read on someone because they aren't the big wagon anymore, scum do.

Who flipped their read,

"because they aren't the big wagon anymore," ?

Joining the big wagon is something town do at times, but it's a much more consistent scumtell than lurking.

Town know 100% everyone else is more likely to flip scum than themselves. Even making shit up to excuse voting the self preserving wagon, is I think commonish amongst newer players.
The votes 171 339 427 All have other weak scum tells. Even 51 is problematic, as apparently the "joke" is RVS

a joke that I made in RVS.

but the vote in the same post/period

Tier was, but I felt far was a better place to be than Tier because

tier was mostly gut

.

wasnt RVS, but was at the time distanced with "just cuz."

[TierShift]

Brantz flipped his read on me because I wasn't the leading wagon anymore. That's how I see it, at least.

My reads are shaking a tad.

[AxleGreaser]

Axle has declared willingness to hammer either I believe.

Not in this game, but in previous games I believe I will have declared a general willingness to hammer any wagon, at end of day.

Oops, apologies, Axl said that given a choice he will hammer Seraphim. So that's a townlean pseudo on the Seraphim wagon. Looking better imo.

Tier looking better makes me less decided. Before that i felt herded by the days play onto the Brantz wagon.

Also I had forgotten about this mechanic, and its effects.

He has 5-6 hours to pick up his prod.

letting Sera off the hook after 356 is a bad plan, but this game is not played against people but against the slot.

As the slot might get replaced with someone useful, that is not such a real need to find some way to deal with Sera.
My bad.

I think Id lean towards a Brantz Lynch, but at the moment I dont have a choice, as we dont even have a Sera vote and there is only 1 L-1 wagon.

[AxleGreaser]

Brantz flipped his read on me because I wasn't the leading wagon anymore. That's how I see it, at least.

Ah, I hadn't thought about the vote situation being the reason for the read change. For me causality goes the other way, reads => votes.

but rereading it there is certainly more than I initially gave it credit for, and his posting since then feels very proactive. Mild town.

this is convenient. retroactive.

[T S O]

Requesting Axle gets Copped or something.

[T S O]

He's definitely the most unreadable player in the thread.

[T S O]

I can't say I confidently oppose Seraphim in any way. He has a random chance of flipping scum. At the same time, I don't support lurker lynches.

[Seraphim]

Mod: Replace me. I honestly do not have time for this game. I was away from the site the last two days.

[farside22]

Mod: may we get an extension please?

[Belisarius]

Seconded.

[hi im Yakko]

thirded. Mostly caught up now will comment on stuff, first fooood.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

VOTE: Sera

#Justice

@VM

you missed a question at you here 419

Because Tier-scum kicks ass and he's being lame as hell rite now thus town.

[Elbirn]

He has 5-6 hours to pick up his prod.

Replacing and so forth. Deadline is frozen until a replacement is found.

The clock will restart at 2 days once that happens.

Seems extension was already granted

[Belisarius]

More would be better, though.

[Belisarius]

Also, Yakko, it takes 3 hours to eat? Are you an ancient Roman? Come out of the vomitorium or masturbatorium or whatever and play.

[Elbirn]

More would be better, though.

Deadline frozen until replacements are found, and then once they are we get another 48 hours? That seems pretty fair.

Hey since you're here, can you tell me your reasons for voting Seraphim?

[Titus]

@Tier, The lack of a vote was scummy because it had appeared you were scumreading me in that post and thus should have been out of RVS. Thus, you should have voted.

I do find selective responses scummy as well. Your recent play has improved. You're still a scumread but I am not 100% certain you are scum.

[AxleGreaser]

VOTE: Sera

#Justice

@VM

you missed a question at you here 419

Because Tier-scum kicks ass and he's being lame as hell rite now thus town.

Tier knows Tier can kick ass as scum 415, if he doesn't need to this game, or its good idea not to...
you think he cant not "kick ass" for part of d1.
and if he starts playing you might then scum read him?

We are Through the Looking Glass indeed.

[TierShift]

Titus, don't be an ass. I chose not to vote, because I hadn't read the game. Dosregarding that, answer this question:
Why is scum-me more likely not to vote a scumread than town-me?

[AxleGreaser]

Why is scum-me more likely not to vote a scumread than town-me?

Here is you making a post that makes waves not enemies. It appears useful as a scum post and largely pointless as a town one.

Hey farside we agree on something! May this bode well for our future!

believing this

Yeah Farside is likely town. She has a nasty habit of scumreading disagreement as town.

True that.

means scum!tier egging on a town!farside v town!titus makes sense.

means scum!tier egging on a town!farside v scum!titus also makes some sense, but is harder in that I would also have to guess you thought the point would not gain traction. That you were indirectly backing Farside on an inaccurate interpretation of Titus's words in 62 makes that plausible.

not rocket science.

I am not sure i get sincerity, with you still not understanding there are problems with 67 and 91.

[TierShift]

67 was an honest remark aimed at farside. We have always clashed in previous games and I expressed relief that we weren't clashing.

Post 334 is the absolute opposite to egging on a towntitus-townfarside fight. I agree with titus that townfarside confbiases a.d farside is confbiasing here, so I pointed out a towntell. If anything, it would strengthen the townbond between the two.

I do not have a strong townread on farside, however, keep that in mind.