We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Marquis]

i meant town with the ? and scum before i decided to include it

but nice vote ok

[BBmolla]

He's scum for shit under the radar blending in posts

So much so I didn't even notice

[ActionDan]

It's fun to see people voting literally every single scum read of mine. While I post absolutely nothing.

[LucianRoy]

Why did Death vote Om out of the blue?

Reaction testing?

Weird.

[LucianRoy]

Then he plays it off as his actual vote after he received his reaction.

Weirder.

[ChriVi]

It's fun to see people voting literally every single scum read of mine. While I post absolutely nothing.

"I'm going to continue sneaking below the radar and claim that every vote is a scum read of mine so I can't be blamed for any lynch unless it's scum in which case I'll say 'Yep told you so!'"
VOTE: ActionDan

[LucianRoy]

Chivri, you might like to know, I don't like your ISO.
There's a solid combination of arguing, sheeping, and slight buddying that seems to create a concoction of scum to me.

[Ozgin]

@Marquis
Propose better vig shots if you don't like the names floating about.

oh no, i'm talking about lynches

we have so few of them in between multiple scum nightkills that i'd rather not waste them on what are essentially groupthink policy lynches

feel free to vig the ones with little contribution (or the rare ones you don't like and oddly enough i don't like as well), namely:

3. Toon Fighter
5. Ozgin
13. PeregrineV
16. BRantz
19. Soren
21. deathfisaro
23. Reubus Swagrid
24. Dani

and out of those i think we should limit our lynchpool to:

3. Toon Fighter
3. Toon Fighter
3. Toon Fighter

"Vig, shoot one of the people who can't defend themselves, namely people replacing out and going on V/LA."

Brilliant, makes total sense.

It's fun to see people voting literally every single scum read of mine. While I post absolutely nothing.

I really don't like this post, that's just such a weird thing to say. "Ha ha, look how good at being scum I am!"?

Beginning my catch-up process tomorrow in the morning. Will try to contribute some serious and substantial post.

[copper223]

@Drixx
Ah yes, Copper starts to doubt me again, I better try to discredit him, not very original considering you tried that in your first scumgame already, this is an excellent shot. You just finished saying you had nothing to call me scum for and the only reason for not townreading me was paranoia of my last scumgame so this vote is most likely mafia Drixx.

@All
All those advocating a lurker shot, those include TGTP, Om, Cerberus and Marquis, should put Vyse as clearly the best shot because not only does he fit into the category, he also has a wagon built on him that offers extra information, only Om was consistent with this.

@Lucian
I already told you why Oranje is likely town, I can understand your BRantz suspicion more but I don't think he is scum, does Soren like to play scum more or less than town? Because he is still active onsite so the fact he chose to replace here may indicate that this alignment was the one he likes less.

[Cerberus v666]

@Drixx
Ah yes, Copper starts to doubt me again, I better try to discredit him, not very original considering you tried that in your first scumgame already, this is an excellent shot. You just finished saying you had nothing to call me scum for and the only reason for not townreading me was paranoia of my last scumgame so this vote is most likely mafia Drixx.

@All
All those advocating a lurker shot, those include TGTP, Om, Cerberus and Marquis, should put Vyse as clearly the best shot because not only does he fit into the category, he also has a wagon built on him that offers extra information, only Om was consistent with this.

@Lucian
I already told you why Oranje is likely town, I can understand your BRantz suspicion more but I don't think he is scum, does Soren like to play scum more or less than town? Because he is still active onsite so the fact he chose to replace here may indicate that this alignment was the one he likes less.

I'm advocating killing lurkers, not a vig lurker shot. I assume the vig shot won't be a public flip, so it would actually be most beneficial to *lynch* Vyse if you're concerned about gathering information, and *shoot* a lurker whose flip won't give us any information anyways.

[copper223]

In fact given how scummy some opinion blocks are being I will try and give teams on D1, something I would normally consider a bit of a pipe dream but I think here there is some merit to it. I am liking a lot faction of:

- ActionDan / Drixx / x

and the other as

- Bulbasaur / Vyse / x

[copper223]

@Cerberus
I was assuming the flip would be public.

[LucianRoy]

Well, he's busy with other games and such, and this game is moving at the speed of lightning, so it's really understandable from his point of view.
I'm fairly certain Soren prefers town, but I may be wrong. I've never asked him directly, but we've played tons of games which would lead me to the conclusion.

Also, I forget the reasons why Oranje is likely town, could you please remind me?

[LucianRoy]

Also, I can confirm that the flip is public.
I want to make a joke with my kill-flavor.

[Marquis]

copper, i actually don't care as much as you seem to suggest about who gets vigged. there's a reason why that particular pool is so open.

what i do care about, however, is town wasting their time on more likely mislynch bait- vonny and oranje- instead of pushing a player like toon, when i have a much more direct hand in controlling how lynches go.

[copper223]

Well, he's busy with other games and such, and this game is moving at the speed of lightning, so it's really understandable from his point of view.
I'm fairly certain Soren prefers town, but I may be wrong. I've never asked him directly, but we've played tons of games which would lead me to the conclusion.

Also, I forget the reasons why Oranje is likely town, could you please remind me?

Check again when Wgeurts and BROseidon start to argue for more than half a page about who to vote, if the are scum they have little interest in doing this publicly other than putting up a show to make us townread them, and ai don't see it, be ause they would likely talk about who to mislynch in the hydra PT and then come out with a good case, as town though they probably have different opinions on who is scum and this is going to create conflict, like it appears it has. Hydra dissonance is a goid way to try and townread Hydras for your future games btw.

Plus Wgeurts scum was all about: Don't you see Copper, I kind of agree with you but we have to make sure that guy is scum, let's be friends and help each other unless you are voting me, then I omgus vote you back; this Wgeurts just gives his own reads and calls people out when he thinks they are wrong, he isn't even much self aware as I likely just showed him up on the Lucian read and he keeps on contesting my reads, even to the semantics leveks with our interpretation of % so I don't think he is scum.

[ActionDan]

It's fun to see people voting literally every single scum read of mine. While I post absolutely nothing.

"I'm going to continue sneaking below the radar and claim that every vote is a scum read of mine so I can't be blamed for any lynch unless it's scum in which case I'll say 'Yep told you so!'"

It's fun to see people voting literally every single scum read of mine. While I post absolutely nothing.

"Ha ha, look how good at being scum I am!"

I'm trying to determine which one of you best reflects the essence of my post that's apparently a thinly veiled scum claim. It's really hard since I'm reading the products of complete ineptitude!

[copper223]

@Marquis
I told you why I don't stand behind the Toon push, the rest I kind of agree with although I am less confident about Vonflare than you are, and I was also going to comment as well that regardless of Lucian's intentions we should go back to discussing who to lynch so I like that indirect point you are making there.

[copper223]

@Lucian
I also scumread scum_Wgeurts after his first 3 posts in our other game (newbie 1643)...

[Drixx]

When I see you being inconsistent I'm going to pounce on that, Copper. Your reaction doesn't exactly inspire me to be less paranoid about you.

I think Lucian just needs to make his own decision and be done with it, imo. The rest of us should be scumhunting. The day progresses.

[LucianRoy]

I'm fine with killing someone myself, but I presented this to the town as an opportunity to kill possible scum if I didn't trust myself to shoot correctly.
People have given me names, but I still want to think about it...

Also, I didn't want people to be mad if I screwed up. I guess that's why people are pushing for inactive kills so readily.
I'll give it some more time.

[copper223]

@Drixx
There is nothing inconsistent with my read of you, it is actually incredibly easy to follow, I start out with Drixx is playing different but that doesn't necessarily mean scum, I then read Om's case and I think, yeah it's true Drixx is just posting self meta and chatting but the usual level of analysis, of trying to figure out the game by pushing people and reaction testing, of giving reads is totally absent so hey I can see him being scum and I like the case.

Then you claim, that role seems plausible in this setup and ActionDan comes out to strongly support you so I come out with my logic for why,

despite me having a problem with your play

, under the assumptions given, I have to believe it's more likely you are town here.

Cerberus directly claims a key assumption I made, that there are no cross setup adaptations, is actually incorrect so I go back to a nullread on you.

I then claim you are a good vig shot because your role is useless now that you have claimed if you are town and we get at least something from it as you have been very controversial today, and it's also just as likely if not moreso that you would flip scum.

The last page is you just patting me on the back and telling me I am probably right, otherwise you are having a terrible game mate, so try to pounce all you like, I am nailing you to the wall.

[VysePresident]

Just a quick question to those familiar with Copper - Does he tend to have a bit of an ego, and/or tunnel-vision?

[VysePresident]

The question's open to you too, Copper.

[copper223]

Yes.