Townreading people for usually having a decent scumgame is an extremely dangerous idea which I don't support.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
ebwop: Tier you, yourself asked me to go back and read your catch up posts again, with a different mindset. I did, and it didn't look nearly as bad from that perspective. That is all.
↑FA_Q2 wrote:Just got in and reviewing the thread.
Need some time to go over the twenty pages. Not good that I have to start from an L-1 position. Any synapses id the game so far would be helpful.
me hearing your synapses work is my idea.
but heres an index to the votes on you to save you menial leg work. (hope I got them all, out of time bye)
dont have long at the moment but as i recall it, votes on you and negative comments started about here WP 370
game context in broad strokes is Tier, the former lead wagon, had started posting. and then went VLA.
There or soon after the Tier wagon lost steam. 422 Elbrin votes Sera 427 Brantz votes sera. 440 far votes sera 443 Beli votes Sera 446 VM votes Sera. 454481 I indicate then amend my position.
There are literally 7 posts from my slot in the entire thread - nothing there at all to justify a case. The lynch is essentially a PL because of lurking. Lurking that has been identified as a player did not have time for the game (hence the replace). Are you really telling me that town is going to ignore any scum hunting for a PL?
This makes no sense.
Will give some scum reads when I finish off the thread. (should be up shortly)
@ Fa_Q2 Sorry if I don't capitalize all of it. I'm having a rough day, show me why I'm wrong on thinking you'll net scum?
""It seems very pretty," she said when she'd finished it, "but it's rather hard to understand!" (You see she didn't like to confess, even to herself, that she couldn't make it out at all.) "Somehow it seems to fill my head with ideas—only I don't exactly know what they are! Somebody killed something: that's clear
There are literally 7 posts from my slot in the entire thread - nothing there at all to justify a case. The lynch is essentially a PL because of lurking. Lurking that has been identified as a player did not have time for the game (hence the replace). Are you really telling me that town is going to ignore any scum hunting for a PL?
This makes no sense.
Will give some scum reads when I finish off the thread. (should be up shortly)
There are literally 7 posts from my slot in the entire thread - nothing there at all to justify a case. The lynch is essentially a PL because of lurking. Lurking that has been identified as a player did not have time for the game (hence the replace). Are you really telling me that town is going to ignore any scum hunting for a PL?
This makes no sense.
Will give some scum reads when I finish off the thread. (should be up shortly)
your predecessor has a history of lurking as scum. no way am I going to let active lurking go. he neither scumhunted or did anything of note. and when do you think lurking shld be addressed? in lylo? lol
↑Witness Protection wrote:@ Fa_Q2 Sorry if I don't capitalize all of it. I'm having a rough day, show me why I'm wrong on thinking you'll net scum?
I cant because you have not presented anything to counter. Your argument is essentially as follows:
Saraph is scum.
That's it. Nothing more. Seraph said he did not have the time to play - that is why he was lurking. He should have replaced FAR earlier but he failed to and there is nothing I can do about that other than to tell you that you are grossly incorrect in the blanket assumption that he must have been scum simply because he refused to play. I am town. Lurking is a crap plan for scum in general anyway. I will never understand the assumption that it is a scum tell - little is further from the truth.
There are literally 7 posts from my slot in the entire thread - nothing there at all to justify a case. The lynch is essentially a PL because of lurking. Lurking that has been identified as a player did not have time for the game (hence the replace). Are you really telling me that town is going to ignore any scum hunting for a PL?
This makes no sense.
Will give some scum reads when I finish off the thread. (should be up shortly)
your predecessor has a history of lurking as scum. no way am I going to let active lurking go. he neither scumhunted or did anything of note. and when do you think lurking shld be addressed? in lylo? lol
I can't wait for you to catch up!
The lurking has been addressed - I have replaced him.
There are literally 7 posts from my slot in the entire thread - nothing there at all to justify a case. The lynch is essentially a PL because of lurking. Lurking that has been identified as a player did not have time for the game (hence the replace). Are you really telling me that town is going to ignore any scum hunting for a PL?
This makes no sense.
Will give some scum reads when I finish off the thread. (should be up shortly)
your predecessor has a history of lurking as scum. no way am I going to let active lurking go. he neither scumhunted or did anything of note. and when do you think lurking shld be addressed? in lylo? lol
I can't wait for you to catch up!
The lurking has been addressed - I have replaced him.
that doesn't change my read on the original slot tho and tbf you haven't anything fantastic yet except to whine how your slot is being voted for inactivity!
Get this out of the way: VOTE: BRantz
So, for my reads. I will start with the painfully obvious one (and the counter wagon here) Brantz who is damn scummy. I will not rehash the entire thread here but the posts that stand out as extremely scummy are his votes:
Spoiler:
↑BRantz wrote:@far: It isn't vm town reading people that's the problem. It's vm calling them unlynchable on page 5 that bugs me. Also, it's unnecessary for me to talk about town reads? Right... got it.
↑BRantz wrote:@WP: Farside moved up to my top scum read because she accuses me of not saying anything, ...
@Brantz
who was your top scum read before that?
Tier was, but I felt far was a better place to be than Tier because tier was mostly gut. Though I am very underwhelmed by his catch up. He posts a bunch of walls without actually really saying anything. I feel okay going back there now.
VOTE: Tiershift
@Tier: I just assumed you had a case against Elbirn since you said you had points against him during your catch up posts.
↑BRantz wrote:Alright, my reads (in alphabetical order):
AxleGreaser: Axle posts a ton of walls, but seems to focus too much on meta and not enough on what is going on in the game (though this has gotten better in the last few pages). My read keeps waffling between mild town and mild scum, so mostly null.
Belisarius: Has been pushing for information gain, and scum hunting pretty much all game . Very town.
DDD/Aero/Flubbernugget: This slot has done almost litterally nothing. Null for now.
@Flub: have you read the game yet?
Elbirn: Elbirn has also been very open with his thoughts, and good scum hunting. Very Town.
farside22: I think the way farside has pushed the people/wagons she is voting has been very good. Town.
hi im Yakko: One of the lurkers, but has some decent content in his posts that aren't "I'm catching up" posts. Mild town.
Seraphim: Has actually done nothing except throw votes around. Scummy.
TSO: I have mixed feelings about TSO's catch up, but I am more inclined to see his posting as town than scum at the moment. I really don't like his stance on making a case on me though it reads very much like scum trying to take a back seat on a wagon. Null, leaning mild town.
Tiershift: I still don't feel like there is a lot of content in his catch up, but rereading it there is certainly more than I initially gave it credit for, and his posting since then feels very proactive. Mild town. UNVOTE:
@Tier: Sorry for missing your question twice. I feel 91 is weird because you saying that you couldn't vote without reading, but then asking a question about something (implying you read) in the same post caused dissonance.
Titus: Has been very active in discussion, and was/is a major driver of the tier wagon. Town.
Valkyrie Mollie: There is an interesting dissonance between GiF and Mollie on who to vote (farside vs me when far was pushing me). There posting has been mostly good though. Still don't like them calling people unlynchable that early. Mild town.
I have a weird lack of scum reads at the moment.
People I am willing to lynch today:
1. Seraphim
2. Flubbernugget
VOTE: Seraphim
They are scummy because every single one of them is an opportunist jump onto a forming wagon. The remainder of his posts are essentially defending votes placed that have little reason. Instead of posting more content, he rehashes existing and rather slim points. Nothing here looks like pro-town behavior. Then, at the end, he finally works ti give some content and town reads the entire game. How is that helpful? He lists his 2 willing lynches with one being a brand new replacement and the other (the previous player to occupy my slot) having not played at all. Everyone is town except for those that have not posted anything that can actually be analyzed. Yet again going for the easy opportunistic lynch.
↑Belisarius wrote:Actually yeah, GiF: let's hear why I should vote Brantz in your words. No consulting mollie. I have a hell of a time reading her, but I'd love to have a shot at reading
you
correctly for a change.
Easy since I voted him entirely on my own accord!
- Timing of the vote. (No mention of farside reads-wise and suddenly bam a vote on farside the moment mollie votes her with showing suspicion.)
- Justification of the vote. (There is none. His posts before the votes has build-up to scumreading farside and I see nothing in his 171 that warrants a vote on farside.)
- As farside said, while criticizing my very strong townreads, he does nothing to explain why nor explain which one he agrees/disagrees. Just an empty criticism.
I actually agree with you that I had shown no/very little suspicion of farside before this, but the point of my ebwop was that as soon as I was at a computer I was going to flesh out my reason for voting her. I hate writing paragraphs on my phone, so if I have any other option I will use that. I understand that to you the timing looks bad, but I can't really control when I have a second to check the thread on my phone at work.
No, you DID have complete control. Hold your vote until you were at a computer rather than on your phone. Instead you placed a really suspicious vote and then used this as a lame excuse for doing it.
Crap excuses are, well, crappy.
Then my vote is on BRanz is there because it gives us good info as well. Lynching me gives us.... nothing. There is no interaction to examine. My second scum read is VM but I do not think VM is a scum partner to BRanz. Excluding setup's that I think are not likely here (such as multiball) a BRanz lynch will give us some insight on MV. If he flips scum then I think that seriously damages the case against VM because of the interactions on this day between them.
Anyway:
I fond these to be rather scummy:
Spoiler:
↑Valkyrie Mollie wrote:So far I haz townread on these people.
- WP
- Titus
- Elbirn
- Axle
Probably obvious townreads but I won't lynch any of these folks today.
What bothers me about this is the timing. Page 5 was WAY to early for hard town reads on anyone. There is only a few ways to be that sure those players are town and the most likely one of those is you are scum. Demanding that those slots cannot be lynched and then talk of a town block before any real posting gets in pings my scumdar. It just does not sit well with me. I don't think VM is a better lynch than BR though because there are some town posts in there as well, particularly how she pushed BR for his opportunistic voting early and built that case.
Then there is TSO who I have a weak scum read on. His is more based on style this game though compared to other places I have seen him play. I would not be ready to place a vote here though.
My strongest town read ATM is AxleGreaser
Most of the others are null. Nothing particularly stood out in my meandering through those 20 pages for them but that is likely due to information overload than anything. I will reengage later after some responses to this post.
There are literally 7 posts from my slot in the entire thread - nothing there at all to justify a case. The lynch is essentially a PL because of lurking. Lurking that has been identified as a player did not have time for the game (hence the replace). Are you really telling me that town is going to ignore any scum hunting for a PL?
This makes no sense.
Will give some scum reads when I finish off the thread. (should be up shortly)
your predecessor has a history of lurking as scum. no way am I going to let active lurking go. he neither scumhunted or did anything of note. and when do you think lurking shld be addressed? in lylo? lol
I can't wait for you to catch up!
The lurking has been addressed - I have replaced him.
man you are impatient
It takes time to track down posts and get thoughts together after slogging through that
that doesn't change my read on the original slot tho and tbf you haven't anything fantastic yet except to whine how your slot is being voted for inactivity!
But in seriousness, Axle this is going to come down to you. If you decide to hammer one way or the other please give intent first so whichever of us it is can claim.
I am not going to defend my votes any more than I already have. You can like them, hate them, I don't really care one way or the other.
One day people will be able to read me here. Tier and Titus are pretty damn close I think (this game should firm it up for them).
↑BRantz wrote:Guess it's time for a good old game of chicken?
But in seriousness, Axle this is going to come down to you. If you decide to hammer one way or the other please give intent first so whichever of us it is can claim.
I am not going to defend my votes any more than I already have. You can like them, hate them, I don't really care one way or the other.
One day people will be able to read me here. Tier and Titus are pretty damn close I think (this game should firm it up for them).
Not really game related but this last statement just seems really silly to me. If you are waiting for people to learn to read you it is going to take forever. You have no control over that. Rather, you should learn from the games to adjust YOUR play accordingly. THAT you can control.
I think the catch up from the replacement is weird. He has 2 scum reads, one town read and a bunch of null. His complaint about vm and the reason he is pretty weak.
Just my 2 cents
Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.
Just checking in before the day ends - will not be back on until 1800 pacific time. Please do not hammer before that time.
↑farside22 wrote:I think the catch up from the replacement is weird. He has 2 scum reads, one town read and a bunch of null. His complaint about vm and the reason he is pretty weak.
Just my 2 cents
As opposed to your 2 scum reads based entirely on lurking, your scum case on VM that I really cannot even find other than a vote paired with defending VM and the case you have fought for against titus half the game based on false meta?
I don't think I did half bad for 2 hours of time that I had available to go through the beginning of the game.
