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Post Post #1275 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:17 am

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copper223 wrote:@Mollie
I guess you have a point there regarding the first part, the connection with Kuribo's behavior though is complete BS.

copper223 wrote:@VP
I am waiting to see what the Bulbasaur commonwealth comes up with before commenting. How do go about finding scum usually?


Theory post incoming!

One of the main things I watch for is narratives. Playing scum is kinda like telling a story, and I note scum tend to have a fair bit of influence over the game. This can be screwed up a little by good/loud players, and it's part of the reason I'm skeptical of my read on you, because you're definitely in the latter, and I gather you're not bad either. (This is not my full thoughts on you, if there's any doubt. That's not coming before tonight at the earliest.)

I also like to look for signs of deliberate positioning. This tends to be more subtle than not, because scum tends to be self-aware enough to disguise them.

I really like to get to know players, their personalities, and how they think. I tend to be more of an observer early on, and then dive into the game when I have a strong read. (Bro should be able to confirm, and BRantz might be able to. I've gotten better since then, and can manage a micro/normal relatively early on, but this is a whole different ball game.)

I also like looking at wagons over the initial reads, because I don't actually learn too much about the people getting scumread. It's the people voting/waffling/disagreeing, etc who're telling me the most about themselves.

That's a quick overview of me. So, tell about yourself.

I'd appreciate getting I was a bit skeptical of this Bulbasaur read early on, because while I could agree they needed more activity, and was cool with pressure votes, I disliked the way it turned into a solid scumread after continued absence. It felt like you'd found a comfortable spot, and stuck with it.
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Post Post #1276 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:26 am

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Copper wrote:VysePresident: when a player repeatedely apologizes for not posting in the way you are doing it he is more likely scum than not and knows he should post something but really doesn't want to draw attention to himself, the more he waits and the harder it is to get back in, does that remind you of someone deathfisaro? Add that you made my Bulbasaur post prediction come through early with your: I don't like the Drixx wagon and Drixx is a cool dude (I agree!) after his wagon died down, the purpose of which is to make you sounds good and compound it with your confused and yet unexplained scumread of me and your initial reactions to the claims which were all about questioning the players questioning them, which makes me think you know more than the average joe about their alignment and like to question townies that are either genuinely mistaken or gunning your teammates, I think you are scum.


(running out of time to find quotes.)You then go on to hit me for an underexplained read on you after I post my reads. (Have you ever played with Wisdom, by the way? Because I want to see that so much right now.) I think there was something else, too, but I'm calling it quits for now.

Walk me through this read, because this is what I'm getting from it - Vyse: Hey, I'm going to a tounament, sorry about not posting. Copper: Scumlurk + Trying to make yourself look good! (This ain't my rodeo. I know what basic scumtells look like. I'm just not too worried about doing this stuff, because my thought process tends to be pretty transparent and easy to follow when I actually get the chance to go in depth.)
ad yes, scummy, no.)

I'm not illustrating it well, due to rushing, but your thought process feels like you don't like my play, and you're continuously shifting to keep a read on me. Hence why I think you're tunneling.

I actually do feel like crap when I can't post, and particularly so in this case, because I already flaked out of one of Dram's games. I'm a mild-mannered, very self-aware poster, who takes things so, and yeah, I'm pretty proud of that because I tend to get things right.

So that's the story of me. More later.
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Post Post #1277 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:32 am

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Post Post #1278 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:41 am

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LucianRoy wrote:What would I do? Just say "I'll be killing Drixx, Ozgin, or Toon if they do not claim or refute being neighbours in the next 24 hours?"
I guess that's a sound way of going about things, but it's kind of mean.


I am neighbor-free, to address this (although I didn't think this was still being discussed, to be honest).

ActionDan wrote:I'm trying to determine which one of you best reflects the essence of my post that's apparently a thinly veiled scum claim. It's really hard since I'm reading the products of complete ineptitude!


Your sarcasm is cute, but I'm just saying that it was kind of a shady thing to say.

I don't think Vyse is scum because of his lack of posts/quality, I'd say if anything it makes him a null read (for now).

I don't know that I like the vonflaire wagon anymore, so I dunno where to lay my vote. I'll read Toonfighter's ISO and see where I stand on the issue then. Until such a time, UNVOTE: vonflaire.

It is weird to me, though that there are 3 split wagons and then a bunch of (what seem to be) left over RVS votes?
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Post Post #1279 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:43 am

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Marquis wrote:well i was hoping you'd kill someone sooner rather than later anyway as if you're town you've already claimed so you should use it today and to make a target decision it needs to be soon so i have time to decide based on that flip and what's happened since then


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Post Post #1280 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:48 am

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mollie i still kind of think you're scum but

give me a vig name
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Post Post #1281 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:52 am

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What does IAWTP mean exactly?
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Post Post #1282 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:17 am

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Lihin wrote:
LucianRoy wrote:Molla claimed Miller with a night-skip ability if they have the second highest amount of votes.
Ice claimed: Neighbour day-cop, a day-cop that can only investigate neighbours.
Drixx claimed to be a faction specific bullet-proof.
I claimed Vengilante, a one-shot mix of a vengeful and a vigilante.

I think that was everyone...

In my opinion those claims seem fairly townish, except for the bulletproof claim.
Does Drixx know which faction he is immune to? (not looking for an actual claim of which; just if he knows)


Yes I do know which faction I'm immune to. No I'm not going to say because {obvious reasons}

It would be
absolutely worthless
for a neighbor daytime rolecop to use his ability on me. Apparently if I don't use a certain keyword, then it's impossible to realize I already answered this question?

Looking at Toon in context to see if he actually looks scummy or of someone's selling that story.
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Post Post #1283 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:25 am

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ok so just give it to us straight then:

you are not a neighbor? (yes/no)

you already answered this? (yes/no)
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Post Post #1284 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:30 am

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Marquis wrote:mollie i still kind of think you're scum but

give me a vig name


1 of the top 2 wagons. I feel like vonny is more likely to flip scum but I am not dazzled by toon either.
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Post Post #1285 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:31 am

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LucianRoy wrote:What does IAWTP mean exactly?


I am with this post. it is an acronym.
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Post Post #1286 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:41 am

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i would be so much more okay with vonflare dying if i felt the situation was out of my hands, like i wouldn't have the blood of a pretty big unique townread on my hands

but that isn't the case and i think actually my vig pool is shifting back:

5. Ozgin
8. Bulbasaur Commonwealth (Bulbazak & mastin2 & Voidedmafia)

10. Jackel98

12. Drixx
13. PeregrineV

21. deathfisaro
23. Reubus Swagrid

24. Lihin

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bolded and italicized and underlined is

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well

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Hello, Pirate Ika! I get to piss both of you off now, completely on accident again.
VOTE: Pirate Ika

Jackel98 wrote:I am the guy who plays like a newb at town because I'm horrible at it. We should all vote for Pirate Ika, for they have not yet received a role PM!

Jackel98 wrote:VOTE: Oranje Crush
I'ma be who I wanna be, and you ain't gonna change it. Hura!

Jackel98 wrote:"Why do you have so many dongs, and why are they like knives?"

Also, I suck at town. Please don't let me be D1 lynch fodder again.

Jackel98 wrote:I somewhat agree with Narninian about the neighbour-claim. I personally wouldn't claim neighbour unless I was a neighbour and close to being lynched.

Jackel98 wrote:I forgot about this game. It would probably have helped if I bookmarked it. Reading now.

Jackel98 wrote:More comments soon.
VOTE: Vonflare

Jackel98 wrote:Why not claim earlier, Lucian?

Jackel98 wrote:Okay. Same here. Life is busy. WILL MAKE WALL!


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Post Post #1287 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:43 am

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Marquis wrote:ok so just give it to us straight then:

you are not a neighbor? (yes/no)

you already answered this? (yes/no)


How on earth was my last post not straight?

I am not a neighbor and I already answered this.
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Post Post #1288 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:44 am

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keep in mind,

that's his entire iso


nothing omitted

shit votes shit stances and all

i'm really glad i took that chance to re-evaluate my vigpool because then i would probably have never even noticed him or what he's done
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Post Post #1289 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:45 am

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thanks

Drixx wrote:It would be absolutely worthless for a neighbor daytime rolecop to use his ability on me.


after reading this, i just wanted you to be held accountable for a specific claim, in the rare case the situation was what i was paranoid of
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Post Post #1290 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:46 am

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lucian when you read this please vig jackel

i think i've gotten enough neighbor information to figure out that some neighbors are lying about not being neighbors

and i need you to shoot ASAP so i can evaluate and figure out my own decision
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Post Post #1291 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:48 am

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Shouldn't we ask for a claim first?
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Post Post #1292 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:49 am

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Marquis wrote:i think i've gotten enough neighbor information to figure out that some neighbors are lying about not being neighbors


My assumption is that Chivi will eventually tell who is/are his neighbor(s). because why not

IF dual scum neighbors exist that'd be funny.
I'll give you a moment to let that sink in
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Post Post #1293 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:51 am

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yes! both of those suggestions are good too!
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Post Post #1294 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:52 am

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ActionDan wrote:
Marquis wrote:i think i've gotten enough neighbor information to figure out that some neighbors are lying about not being neighbors


My assumption is that Chivi will eventually tell who is/are his neighbor(s). because why not

IF dual scum neighbors exist that'd be funny.

Wait until they claim they aren't neighbours.
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Post Post #1295 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:54 am

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so we'll wait on lurker-chrivi and wait on lurker-jackel so we can wait on lucian so we can wait on mod so we can force me to have to commit to a course of action at the very last minute

not actually that bothered but the players this game have had such intruiging responses to my claim that i can't help but giggle a little bit
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Post Post #1296 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:54 am

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We strongly think Toon is town and Kuribo is going to cast you horribly in his erotica themed posts tomorrow if you shoot him. Shoot one of the low posts/low content players. Any argument against that is dumb, because how else are we going to rid us of those players before it's too late? Lurker scum will get a pass deep in the game and lurker town are just not gonna read the thread and sheep whoever is the loudest, and that's terrible for us if the loudest player happens to be scum. Scum won't be killing them. You have a protown kill, and players like that are honorary members of the scumteam.
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Post Post #1297 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:55 am

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So, we need Jackal to give us that large post, and maybe a claim.
Preferably the former before we go straight to the latter.
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Post Post #1298 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:58 am

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God of Power Outlets wrote:We strongly think Toon is town and Kuribo is going to cast you horribly in his erotica themed posts tomorrow if you shoot him. Shoot one of the low posts/low content players. Any argument against that is dumb, because how else are we going to rid us of those players before it's too late? Lurker scum will get a pass deep in the game and lurker town are just not gonna read the thread and sheep whoever is the loudest, and that's terrible for us if the loudest player happens to be scum. Scum won't be killing them. You have a protown kill, and players like that are honorary members of the scumteam.


and just who is this loudest player who may be scum

are you suggesting someone in particular

bc i'm not really interested in listening otherwise
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Post Post #1299 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:59 am

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also i'm a bit glad i altslipped only after kuribo was silenced

it's entertaining up to a point
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