We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[ChriVi]

Since this is a vanillaless game, there are no VTs, so those in neighborhoods are still PRs. This information was already known.

[copper223]

@ChriVi
That's interesting because we have a mason claim and a neighborhood claim of semi-confirmed townies between themselves, which begs the question, how is town supposed to make use of the neighbor-cop? It makes it more likely one of the sides is scum here.

[ChriVi]

EBWOP: I've been in a game in which I was a VT in a neighborhood.. Being in a neighborhood isn't a power-role so it was already known that I was a PR outside of being in a neighborhood.

@copper: How does the neighbor-cop work exactly? Since I'm conf-town from him, if neighborcop could investigate him then we'd both be conf-town.

[God of Power Outlets]

I'd consider neighbor by itself as non-vanilla. The game was advertised as 'vanillaless' not 'oh and everyone has a power role night action spectacular too'

[copper223]

We'd really like to talk about deathfisaro more as a lynch.

Sure I am listening, do you have something to add to your points up to 861?

[copper223]

The second one. I only get a result if my target is a neighbor.

I have to submit the action during the day, then I get a result at night. I wouldn't normally ask for claims so early, but the mod won't tell me if my target is a neighbor or not when I submit. So I would rather know all my options now, instead of guessing blindly and then if wrong have to wait for the next day before I can even try again.

[ChriVi]

I'd consider neighbor by itself as non-vanilla. The game was advertised as 'vanillaless' not 'oh and everyone has a power role night action spectacular too'

Vanillaless = No Vanilla Townies. Neighborhoods can include Vanilla Townies. Being in just a neighborhood without any other role would make you a Vanilla Towny... How is this not clear to you?

[ChriVi]

The second one. I only get a result if my target is a neighbor.

I have to submit the action during the day, then I get a result at night. I wouldn't normally ask for claims so early, but the mod won't tell me if my target is a neighbor or not when I submit. So I would rather know all my options now, instead of guessing blindly and then if wrong have to wait for the next day before I can even try again.

Oh, perfect. I'll tell my neighbor to claim then and then I would like Never-melt-ice to investigate him so we get a result tonight.

[God of Power Outlets]

It would make you a Town/Scum Neighbor. No vanilla attached to it. A named townie is also not vanilla. A miller is also not vanilla. You don't need to have a power role to not be vanilla, your PM just needs to not be named 'vanilla townie' how are you not getting that?

[God of Power Outlets]

But really this is a dumb argument not relevant to anything, so let's not take up a bunch of posts going back and forth on it.

[copper223]

This is pointless and post game meterial.

[copper223]

But really this is a dumb argument not relevant to anything, so let's not take up a bunch of posts going back and forth on it.

+1

[ChriVi]

It would make you a Town/Scum Neighbor. No vanilla attached to it. A named townie is also not vanilla. A miller is also not vanilla. You don't need to have a power role to not be vanilla, your PM just needs to not be named 'vanilla townie' how are you not getting that?

Yes but in my last game as a neighbor, my PM was named Vanilla Townie and I was in a neighborhood :I

@Mod: Vanillaless means some sort of PR ability whether passive or active, yes?

P-EDIT: Agreed, Trouser needs to shove it still.

'Vanillaless' means that there are no vanilla townies. The mod from your anecdote is ridiculous and should be hanged. ~Cuttle

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

In general I am finding most of the interactions I am seeing people have as town so far,

So what interactions that you've seen do you like? What about the ones you dislike? (either before this post or after it)

In the mean time:

Vote: BRantz

This vote fails on pretty much every level.

Lucian ... my man. You gotta learn how to play like you don't have a PR. This is two games now where you had a super useful role and out of fear that you would let that slip somehow you ended up looking mad scummy. Back to the drawing board on scumreading.

...Blech. Now I know why Bulba dislikes this slot.

It would be much better if everyone gave me three names.

Since you obviously wouldn't shoot yourself, I'll say Vyse...Vonflare...and

Magua

Pika

I guess ozgin. I think bulba would prefer Drixx over each of those except Vyse, but I'm not that keen on it. Yet.

those scumreads are so fucking easy with all of you god it's like you're an angry mob plucking slow, genetically conformed goldfish out of a bowl

I think my sarcasm meter is broken because I can't tell if you're seriously mad or just using this as figurative language for how easy your reads-gathering has been.

A) We don't trust that you are even town to begin with, Vengeful players don't make statements like...

I can almost imagine that he was worried about the dayvig more than the Vengeful. Which would make slightly more sense but is still weird.

Also trouser, killing inactives isn't very good sportsmanship, much less good play.

El. Oh. Fucking. El.

You really should've stuck to the newbie queue.

Like you haven't been paying attention to me being a reason behind your null read, what inspired the huge commitment to read Lucian's book? The effort discrepancy is abnormal, it feels like you wanted to townread Lucian no matter what and needed supporting evidences. The amount of stuff he put out is way beyond average human being's willingness to read for the sake of verifying someone else's townread.

Good point.

@MarquisDo you also discount the use of meta as one of the head of the Bulbasaur Commonwealth? If not take a look at his D1 of Mini 1642, I was pretty confident Toon Fighter was scum but turns out he wasn't so I don't think he is an easy read based on common criteria like how opportunistic a player seems.

Um...Who are you talking about? Toon isn't part of the Commonwealth (but if he act town enough he can be an honorary membersaur).

COPPER IT'S NOT STRATEGIC LURKING IF THEY ARE GENERALLY NOT ON THE SITE, HE POSTED NOWHERE ELSE.
HE'S NOT SCUM (for the reasons you give)

I feel like this and the post by copper I quoted above this one are talking about Toon like they're talking about us when that's not the case...

VOTE: Toon Fighter

Done!

Not a bad vote, but you shouldn't really listen to vonflare. But I do like your entry.

Oh yeah, everybody who voted me earlier, I've got my eyes on you.

Especially the people without reasons *cough* Bulbasaur *cough* Commonwealth *cough*.
I really expected that hydra to make a decent vote. One with more reasons, maybe.

You really don't know what "without reasons" mean, then.

I gave reasons when I suspected you, and the reasons when I voted you were fairly self-evident. Now I have the added reasoning that your claim stinks.

I really think he was lying about them, given the fact that if they were actually true, he could've given them on the spot.

This is horrible strawmanning or a horrible joke.

All those advocating a lurker shot, those include TGTP, Om, Cerberus and Marquis, should put Vyse as clearly the best shot because not only does he fit into the category, he also has a wagon built on him that offers extra information, only Om was consistent with this.

I say Lynch Vyse, shoot, say, vonflare, if we're gonna go that route.

(Still prefer Lynch Lucian, shoot Vyse, but meh.)

In fact given how scummy some opinion blocks are being I will try and give teams on D1

You're doing it wrong. And not just because you have us on a scumteam.

Okay, I like 1146. Put Drixx as null. As of this point, Vyse (and Lucian, not that anyone will follow us on that, I imagine) are acceptable lynches.

Okay, onto P47. Bulba's I think near page 30 or so. Guy has Drixx as scum and wants him dead for his claim.

[God of Power Outlets]

We'd really like to talk about deathfisaro more as a lynch.

Sure I am listening, do you have something to add to your points up to 861?

Well I mean his 'reaction test' is a lol thing scum do to pretend to be town. To be honest since our last big post I (T-Bone) haven't been following the game closely (my active days are gonna be later in the week) UT is supposed to handle the load earlier in the week, but he's v/la. I haven't had enough time to even write erotica this evening. You've followed the last couple of days much more closely than I have, so I'd like your thoughts since then.

[God of Power Outlets]

Guy has Drixx as scum and wants him dead for his claim.

Heh, Kuribo and I too, incidentally.

[God of Power Outlets]

P-EDIT: Agreed, Trouser needs to shove it still.

'Vanillaless' means that there are no vanilla townies. The mod from your anecdote is ridiculous and should be hanged. ~Cuttle

Now that we've got that solved....

The Beast stood up rigid, Scumrod at the ready.

"The only thing that will be doing any shoving around here is me and my trembling Scumrod. We will shove the Scumrod in deep, and without mercy. Angels will sing, and babies will be birthed. The Beast will look down upon his realm and exclaim 'yep, I conquered...I came...'"

[copper223]

Um...Who are you talking about? Toon isn't part of the Commonwealth (but if he act town enough he can be an honorary membersaur).

I think it was you that said you don't put much stock in meta, in that post I am telling Marquis to check Toon's meta unless like you he doesn't care about it because like with Lucian I think Toon looks scummy even when he isn't, sorry for the wonky syntax if you genuinely misunderstood.

You're doing it wrong. And not just because you have us on a scumteam.

Be honest here, is there one scrap of a reason to townread you guys?

I said that was more likely than not a pipe dream and every other analysis I have made is based on individual scumreads, so if I am doing it wrong that post is not the reason why.

[copper223]

@TPTG
I can't add much besides what I told you about my experiences while playing with deathfisaro as scum and that this doesn't look like the same mindset from him, Drixx regularly says he reaction tests when he is town so that may not be mafia indicative for deathfisaro either, he did claim once in our other game he was reaction testing to backpedall so he does do it as scum too, it's a null for me.

[God of Power Outlets]

None of us are meta guys, I don't think it's valid to base reads off of at all (though I'm not as hostile to it as I once was). So I don't take that into account. In the context of this game, his standing within the game at the time, the timing in which is was done, and the way in which is was done seems to come from a place of 'trying to prove he is town' rather than 'trying to catch scum'. That's what I saw when I looked over his play. It was outrageous, and I think it was designed to generate the 'too scummy to be scum' read from others onto him.

[Marquis]

those scumreads are so fucking easy with all of you god it's like you're an angry mob plucking slow, genetically conformed goldfish out of a bowl

I think my sarcasm meter is broken because I can't tell if you're seriously mad or just using this as figurative language for how easy your reads-gathering has been.

oh i was just mad

[copper223]

@TPTG
Fair point, it's up to you guys to decide what methods to use if you are town. I have been playing weekly live with the same friends for years now and the accuracy rate based on pattern recognition we sometimes have of each other is unreal, the equivalent here is direct meta so I put a lot of stock in it and I think playing with someone improves my read on them significantly, rather than just going off general tells.

I do consider them perfectly valid as well though so if you have a strong case on deathfisaro I'll consider it carefully, I am not that sold on Toon either and this is a compromise lynch for me, I do want to get things rolling though because Mollie has a point.

[Oranje Crush]

BRO head V/LA through next Wednesday

[Oranje Crush]

Also I'm 30 pages behind now :/

[Oranje Crush]

A FACTION SPECIFIC BULLETPROOF CLAIM IS NOT CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN

This is absolutely true, but, in this particular game, the roles were mashed from separate 13p games, so the role is going to be town. (ALTHOUGH, now that I think about it, it's technically possible that it could be claimed by an SK if it existed in a 13p game alongside a mafia faction and it's BP specifically to that faction)

Yeah okay Dan's town.