We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[LucianRoy]

Om, Marquis will probably tell you to vote Toon.

Pedit: if he claims by then, I might not kill him, depending on the claim, of course.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

I agree with Lucian, we should give it a shot. I have been in a game where BBMolla has had a 'provable' claim, only to be unable to produce this proof for days (cause he was scum), so I'd like to get my paranoia about him out of the way ASAP.

I feel like I know this game because I watched it played in it (or modded it), but goddammit it isn't coming to me.

Was it Ikaruga Mafia? Or earlier?

-snip-

More likely he has a role that tells him something about factions and thinks you said something which implies you are lying, I'd be very amused if this were a bus as well but that's just me showing my human nature about wanting to be right about my reads more than likely.

Why does scum_Dan first bother to defend you via a fakeclaim and then turns on you my friend? That is scum_suicide_plan_101 and I don't think that's what he is about, your panic reaction of immediately going for a 1v1 because he "slipped" doesn't make much sense either, nor does you telling me I should be facepalming myself after telling me (a read I frankly hope and believe you wouldn't have of me in this game if you actually were town) that I am scum.

To use Mollies abbreviations, IAWTP.

The thing that klaxoned as a slip to me was naming a specific faction in the question.

That's not a slip. I officially no longer care about this push.

Also in addition, if I were BP scum of any kind, and BP from any source of your choice, I still would never have vouched for you in that way, because I would never risk giving that info to potentially scum of a different fiber

He has a good point.

Oh, at least Drixx and Dan got that sorted out. I'm not

entirely

convinced to put Drixx back at Town, but I'm willing to trust what you and Dan have said.

Also, hi, future-past me! How ya doin'!

"He's scum for not defending himself." Bullshit. "He's scum for not posting." Likewise bullshit.

And you're completely ignoring Marquis's/NMI's case. Not sure if it's scum generalizing/strawmanning the cases into those two specific reasons to refute them all or honest ignorance, but I doubt it's the latter.

their reads this game look stilted and only given when there is pressure on the slot

No they (the reads) haven't. The only one that has was for Lucian, but that was specifically about reasons for the read, not the read itself.

What do you mean by "stilted"?

there was no follow up on what I told them

Follow-up on what, now? I feel this is something I've probably already answered or something that I missed. Re-quote this for me, please?

in fact I was just proven almost certainly correct on Lucian (I told both them and BBmolla I thought he looked scummy but was town)

I've never thought nor said Lucian's looked town, nor has Venusaur in her sole post, nor Bulba in our PT. My vote on them is only stayed because it'd be useless to put it there until we have definitive proof that he's a dayvig.

As for Drixx, I've had a nullread at worst on him, and up until I mentioned such I had him as fairly town. Bulba's called him scum for the claim (and I think mentioned that; if not, then I just did), but this slot has never publically said he's town, so.

Why the fuck are you pushing so hard for neighbor claims? Knowing who all the neighbors are is more helpful to scum than town.

Marquis=NMI.

Also, that's...not really true. It only matters if the claimed neighbors are strong (and preferably proven) town forces. Otherwise it's just "oh, cool, two people who can talk to each other, possibly during the daytime!" which doesn't really mean much. They aren't Masons.

(btw, since I don't think I've said as much, we aren't neighbors.)

I am a PR as well as being in a neighborhood.

And? Any shocking revelations you hoped to have with this has been rendered moot since you claimed neighbor before PR..

Oh, perfect. I'll tell my neighbor to claim then and then I would like Never-melt-ice to investigate him so we get a result tonight.

why you wouldn't look for Marquis's claim before objecting...?

Be honest here, is there one scrap of a reason to townread you guys?

Because your reasons for voting us are kinda hinging on the logic of "no time for the game=poor reads=scum" and that I'm kinda-sorta following your reads throughout the game? At least those are the two that I recall the best.

The former is kinda silly anyways regarding myself because I kinda suck D1 (Mollie can corroborate my grievances with that re: Hilariously Unbalanced 1). The latter is simply a coincidence when it has happened, and you kinda need to show proof that I've been directly following your reads throughout the game instead of both of us happening to come to the same conclusion from the same/different piece of evidence.

Seriously you all are fucking boring. Kuribo's rage is more funny than offensive.

Yeah, but only because people like you and I've had some measure of experience with the man to know that he's not entirely serious with them (...most of the time). I don't fault the newer people for their reactions.

And if he does claim by then?

Think he already said what'd he do.

CAUGHT UP AGAIN, YAY! *gets behind by 7+ pages tomorrow*

-Ivysaur

[Cerberus v666]

To clarify, I'm not disputing the shot or anything, I'm just curious if you have a back up plan in place. Go down the line of people you think are scummy and threaten to shoot them one by one if they don't claim?(Note, that sounds snarky, it isn't meant to be.)

[LucianRoy]

If he claims, and we believe him, I'll shoot whoever I feel like.

[Boonskiies]

Did someone say L-1? No? Hmm. Alrighty.

[copper223]

No they (the reads) haven't. The only one that has was for Lucian, but that was specifically about reasons for the read, not the read itself.

What do you mean by "stilted"?

I mean that there is no further interest or push on the read once it's given, nor is there further discussion about what other players told you about the read.

Follow-up on what, now? I feel this is something I've probably already answered or something that I missed. Re-quote this for me, please?

On me telling you Lucian can look scummy even when he is not, this is more addressed to the other two guys, you at least claimed you don't use meta.

I've never thought nor said Lucian's looked town, nor has Venusaur in her sole post, nor Bulba in our PT. My vote on them is only stayed because it'd be useless to put it there until we have definitive proof that he's a dayvig.

As for Drixx, I've had a nullread at worst on him, and up until I mentioned such I had him as fairly town. Bulba's called him scum for the claim (and I think mentioned that; if not, then I just did), but this slot has never publically said he's town, so.

I never thought nor said you thought Lucian looked town, Copper223 did (since when I use the pronoun I you don't follow...) but I might as well not have interacted with you guys given the effect it had.

I also never thought nor said you had a townread on Drixx, quite the opposite you made the first case on him which I found opportunistic at the time.

Because your reasons for voting us are kinda hinging on the logic of "no time for the game=poor reads=scum" and that I'm kinda-sorta following your reads throughout the game? At least those are the two that I recall the best.

The former is kinda silly anyways regarding myself because I kinda suck D1 (Mollie can corroborate my grievances with that re: Hilariously Unbalanced 1). The latter is simply a coincidence when it has happened, and you kinda need to show proof that I've been directly following your reads throughout the game instead of both of us happening to come to the same conclusion from the same/different piece of evidence.

The reasons for scumreading you are:

-There seems to be no real interest in following through with your scumreads, you just give them when you need to because you're starting to get pressured and that's that, you then come back and catch-up generally addressing those addressing you but I don't see special emphasis on the players you were scumreading before, which I would expect if you're trying to figure them out in particular.

- The scumreads you have given this game I have seen as opportunistic, both in the sense that you were riding a forming wagon and that the players could be safely called scummy without much of a backlash, and if we follow the claims they are likely incorrect.

- Mastin2 behaved in a similar fashion in a game I played where she was not town, not expecting you to defend this one.

- It's possible it's a coincidence and we arrived at the same conclusion, the probability that it's not adds to how scummy your slot is overall and you know perfectly well I cannot prove you did read ahead beforehand unless you slip, I'm not going to remotely install a webcam on your PC, no worries

[Pirate Ika]

Huh, interesting. What did I do that makes me have no chance of being town?

Oh my god this is scum

VOTE: Death

oh yeah I forgot this post! I think I got distracted by something shiny.

bro is town and I am feeling pretty good about the commonwealth!

[ChriVi]

TA vyse is a lurker, but he's not scummy. I bet there's scum on that wagon tho.

Given that it was CW to you, that's a weird thing to say.

READ SHIT AND COMPRESS YOUR RESPONSES INTO ONE POST

THERE'S A Q+ BUTTON IN THE CORNER OF EVERY POST FOR A FUCKING REASON

USE IT

[Pirate Ika]

VOTE: death

[ChriVi]

I am a PR as well as being in a neighborhood.

And? Any shocking revelations you hoped to have with this has been rendered moot since you claimed neighbor before PR..

You're fucking stupid. Look at the post directly above that one and realize that Trouser-bitch had implied I was a VT and I was clarifying.

Oh, perfect. I'll tell my neighbor to claim then and then I would like Never-melt-ice to investigate him so we get a result tonight.

why you wouldn't look for Marquis's claim before objecting...?[/quote]
Idgaf. I still want him shot even if he's conf-town. He's fucking stupid and playing anti-town for trying to draw out claims.

[Viomi]

(Note, that sounds snarky, it isn't meant to be.)

It should've been. Fucking stupidest plan I've heard of.

[ChriVi]

(Note, that sounds snarky, it isn't meant to be.)

It should've been. Fucking stupidest plan I've heard of.

fuck my altslip so hard

[Marquis]

Idgaf. I still want him shot even if he's conf-town. He's fucking stupid and playing anti-town for trying to draw out claims.

lol

please don't tell me you're actually dumbtown in every game

[LucianRoy]

Are you a sailor?

[Pirate Ika]

and yes I can vouch for ivy looking horrifyingly scummy cos I lynched him on d1 and he flipped sane cop lol.

just give them a little space copper.

they are not a good d1 lynch or vig kill so get that out of your head right now

[Pirate Ika]

Are you a sailor?

viomi is actually a time traveler she was 12 3 1/2 years ago

[copper223]

@Mollie
It's your bad play to leave them alive based on how good or bad you think they will be later on, it's hard enough trying to lynch scum without playing favourites so there is no way I am changing my play based on this kind of reccomendation, now if it happens that you don't agree with my case nor does most of town including Lucian, I end up having to compromise and someone else gets shot, that's life.

[deathfisaro]

Like you haven't been paying attention to me being a reason behind your null read, what inspired the huge commitment to read Lucian's book? The effort discrepancy is abnormal, it feels like you wanted to townread Lucian no matter what and needed supporting evidences. The amount of stuff he put out is way beyond average human being's willingness to read for the sake of verifying someone else's townread.

Good point.

I still wonder why Vyse ignored my post directed at him, and then ignored my post complaining about how he ignored my post directed at him.
I mean, if you are willing to read 250+ posts from another game just to meta someone, aren't you willing to read a couple posts in your current game?

[Pirate Ika]

@Mollie
It's your bad play to leave them alive based on how good or bad you think they will be later on, it's hard enough trying to lynch scum without playing favourites so there is no way I am changing my play based on this kind of reccomendation, now if it happens that you don't agree with my case nor does most of town including Lucian, I end up having to compromise and someone else gets shot, that's life.

either you are missing what i am saying or you are strawmanning me.

lemme explain: I watched all last year as town!mastina kept geting lynched early in the game for what I felt were dumb reasons. in 1 game kuribo fakeclaimed a guilty on mastina then fakeclaimed lyncher and town...lynched mastina. despite my screeching. I wanted serene (kuribo hydra lynched). then I watched in a game where I was scum against town!mastina and she was lynched d1...all town. no scum were gonna touch that wagon with a ten foot pole. when mastina is a really strong player it just her a while to get into the game. she also loves playing scum and complains about not rolling scum as much as she likes so her not schmoozing it up in the game thread is probs a good sign. ivy is also 1 who takes a while to get her head in the game I think and I know bulba is like that altho I don't fully understand why bulba is in here.

I don't want to interfere with your scumhunting and you drawing your own conclusions. this isn't about playing favourites its about knowing those players and knowing that it takes them a while to get their heads in the game. obvsly i am not giving them an autopass cos I have been screeching for them all game. but I like ivy's content and i feel content to leave them alone for now.

also NACHO WILL BE HERE IN 11 HOURS!!!!

[Oranje Crush]

Seems like my partner's gone for a while, he's also gone and voted my fudge town read…
UNVOTE:

[Oranje Crush]

HOW COULD YOU SHEEP HIM MOLLIE?
VOTE: Jackel
I'll make better posts later after getting educated once again with fucking launguages I'll forget in five years.

[Toon Fighter]

bah.

My mason partner, TPTG, has brought to my attention Lucian wants to shoot me. We decided a claim would be the best way to point his motherfucking gun somewhere else. I am TPTG mason partner. If anyone wants to shoot me now, fine. Go ahead. Bitch

[Drixx]

bah.

My mason partner, TPTG, has brought to my attention Lucian wants to shoot me. We decided a claim would be the best way to point his motherfucking gun somewhere else. I am TPTG mason partner. If anyone wants to shoot me now, fine. Go ahead. Bitch

Why didn't you respond to the earlier pokes? You checked into the thread. Assuming your claim is true, wouldn't some investment in the game to slow the roll on your wagon have been a better play than this claim?

Unvote

[copper223]

My gut fking knew it was not a very good lynch.

[copper223]

@Mollie
I understand why you would take that view of Bulbasaur given those past experiences and I would probably feel the same as well, I draw the line though when you tell me what to do because I didn't have the same experiences and to me they look scum.