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Post Post #575 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:06 am

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Soviet Crocolisk wrote:Also what's with your waiting game? Do you think the afks will make some sort of phenominal opinion that will change the whole game? Do you expect that if you wait long enough that scum will eventually make a big slip?


It's not really about who we lynch today. It's to get their feelings on record now, on Day one. Everyone needs to contribute, to be held accountable. Get things on the table to analyze for Day 2 and 3 and so on. If they're scum and allowed to skate by toDay without taking some kind of stance, then they can adopt whatever seems most town tomorrow.

And you called me short sighted.
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Post Post #576 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:06 am

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@Soren
Dechs is leaning town for me.
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Post Post #577 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:07 am

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@All
In favour of getting something out of WW if it's possible to do so.
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Post Post #578 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:07 am

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Diego1487 wrote:I think WW is at L-2. He had 3 votes, Soviet voted for him, then unvoted. Then Soren. Then Me. That's 5 votes.

Ok, damn.

VOTE: WW

Now he's at L-1.

Still, no one vote. You can declare your intent to hammer, but don't actually do it until he's had the chance to speak.
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Post Post #579 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:09 am

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Dechs Kaison wrote:
Soren wrote:
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Soviet Crocolisk wrote:
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Dechs Kaison wrote:Not everyone has a power role.

What makes you believe this?


Are you really that dense?

I'm assuming you're going by probability here.
You sounded so sure with that statement I was wondering how you know for sure.


I am 100% positive that not everyone has a power role. It has nothing to do with probability. I know that at least one player in this game does not have a power role.

You have 100% certainty? Can you explain yourself please?


OK, this is really frustrating here. I'm purposefully trying to give you guys information without outright claiming. It's called breadcrumbing, but every time I do it, one or two people get really hung up on my wording and won't leave it alone, so I might as well spell it out.

I don't have a power role. Duh.

How else could I be 100% certain that not everyone has a power role?

I got dealt three vanilla cards. I had no power role to choose.

Side note: It is also quite possible that someone was dealt only one power role, but it happened to be on the alignment card that player wanted to be. You can't have both parts of a card.


Ooooh. I feel so stupid now for not seeing that. So that's how you know that not everyone is a power role.

This is either an elaborate mafia plan to "breadcrumb" a role claim, or a genuine claim.

How likely is it a mafia plan?
This would depend on how creative and devious the player is. Doers Dechs Kaison fit this bill, presumably, considering that he displays an aptitude of an understanding of outweighing the good and bad of certain actions. Such skills is translatable to mafia strategems.

How likely is it that it's a genuine claim?
Dechs Kaison dismissed the proposal that everyone should reveal their cards, and so if he dismisses this, but wants to role claim, how should he do so without seemingly contradicting his initial opinion? By breadcrumbing his role so that we can pick up on his hints and work out his role on our own. The bane of my existence is that I feel inclined to believe claims (so long as they're not counter claimed), because I just want to trust people. Which is ironic since this is a game about catching the mafia lies and exposing them and thus I should be more skeptical with everything that is said. So I want to believe Dechs Kaison claim, but I will remain to have doubts until I can truly get a grasp of what is going on in Dechs Kaison's head.

Furthermore, how likely is it to be dealt three vanilla roles? It seems like a very low chance, however just because something is unlikely to happen it doesn't mean that I should dismiss it because it could still potentially happen.
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Post Post #580 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:11 am

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Dechs Kaison wrote:
Soren wrote:Yet Dechs Kaison urges us to keep doubting him? Why? For what purpose? Why would a townie want someone to doubt their own townieness? It doesn't seem to add up. On top of this, Dechs Kaison employs WIFOM to confuse us and making us further doubt him.


It's a little trait I've picked up from my Mafia mentor. He often coaches other players in his games. When I say things like that, it's because I think they'll help you be a better mafia player. Regardless of my alignment, I want the people I play with to be good because it makes games more fun.

Don't get me wrong, here. I want you to think I'm town; I just want you to do it for the correct reasons. I've seen a lot of people fooled by the logical lynch or other perfectly logical reasons because they were set up to fail.

Look at my Lego game. We had a two shot cop, but his ability was tampered with. We hung a townie that he had a scum result on. Logically, we know he lied to us, so we hung him the next day when he had another scum result on me. I didn't feel either lynch was right, but logically, they were correct. We almost lost that game on that road.

Man, not only do you make a lot of sense you also play in a manner that I can only admire.
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Post Post #581 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:13 am

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copper223 wrote:
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copper223 wrote:I like the second hydra of Soviet more than the first, comments on this Needful?

Possible positioning to jump wagon detected.

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copper223 wrote:@Pirate Ika
Mollie or Ika I really don't care, I want to see what you have to say about this game and more importantly I want to see a vote on who you believe is scum.


VOTE: copper

there i put a vote down


Hmmm, why do you think I am scum and what other reads do you have?


I like this because copper is not reacting in a defensive manner, but rather wants to know why Ika voted for him. Town read.
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Post Post #582 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:13 am

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Soren wrote:Furthermore, how likely is it to be dealt three vanilla roles? It seems like a very low chance, however just because something is unlikely to happen it doesn't mean that I should dismiss it because it could still potentially happen.


Seeing as their are more Vanilla cards than there are any other one role, it is statistically more likely to get three vanilla cards than it is to get any other specific combination of cards.

It's still more likely that I got (at least) one power role than none, because there are more power roles than not.
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Post Post #583 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:14 am

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@Dechs
Why the heck would you claim VT?
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Post Post #584 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:14 am

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copper223 wrote:@Soren
Dechs is leaning town for me.


I can certainly see why, but can you elaborate please? Maybe you're seeing something that I'm not.
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Post Post #585 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:16 am

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Dechs Kaison wrote:
Soren wrote:Furthermore, how likely is it to be dealt three vanilla roles? It seems like a very low chance, however just because something is unlikely to happen it doesn't mean that I should dismiss it because it could still potentially happen.


Seeing as their are more Vanilla cards than there are any other one role, it is statistically more likely to get three vanilla cards than it is to get any other specific combination of cards.

It's still more likely that I got (at least) one power role than none, because there are more power roles than not.


Is that so? I should probably check that page with all the possible cards.
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Post Post #586 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:18 am

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copper223 wrote:@Dechs
Why the heck would you claim VT?

Well, I was kind of forced into it. Two people were pressuring me over a breadcrumb comment, and one was rather forceful.

Also, to be completely fair, I only claimed "vanilla." I said nothing of my alignment. Not like you'd believe me because I told you, but whatever.
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Post Post #587 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:20 am

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Dechs Kaison wrote:
copper223 wrote:@Dechs
Why the heck would you claim VT?

Well, I was kind of forced into it. Two people were pressuring me over a breadcrumb comment, and one was rather forceful.

Also, to be completely fair,
I only claimed "vanilla." I said nothing of my alignment.
Not like you'd believe me because I told you, but whatever.


I did notice that...
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Post Post #588 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:21 am

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Soren wrote:
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Soren wrote:Furthermore, how likely is it to be dealt three vanilla roles? It seems like a very low chance, however just because something is unlikely to happen it doesn't mean that I should dismiss it because it could still potentially happen.


Seeing as their are more Vanilla cards than there are any other one role, it is statistically more likely to get three vanilla cards than it is to get any other specific combination of cards.

It's still more likely that I got (at least) one power role than none, because there are more power roles than not.


Is that so? I should probably check that page with all the possible cards.


12x Vanilla Town
Judas
Saulus
Underdog
5x Mafia Goon
4x Werewolf (Vanilla)
Survivor

Total of 25 cards with Vanilla attached. Total is 134 (137 minus 3 not used). So there's a significant portion of the cards that have Vanilla as the role, but far more that have some kind of power.
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Post Post #589 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:23 am

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Soren wrote:
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copper223 wrote:@Dechs
Why the heck would you claim VT?

Well, I was kind of forced into it. Two people were pressuring me over a breadcrumb comment, and one was rather forceful.

Also, to be completely fair,
I only claimed "vanilla." I said nothing of my alignment.
Not like you'd believe me because I told you, but whatever.


I did notice that...


Well, like I said, if I'd have said "I'm vanilla town" instead of "I'm vanilla," would it really have affected your opinion of me?

Here's one of the reasons I lie more as town than I do as mafia: People like to ask blatantly "are you scum?" I always respond with "Yes," because who the hell would believe no just because that's what I said anyway? It's a dumb question, so I always lie to it as town and I respond truthfully when I'm scum. So hahaha.
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Post Post #590 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:24 am

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Vote Count 1.8


Whomping Willow (5):
Kaboose, kiwieagle, Soren, Diego1487, Dechs Kaison
Soviet Crocolisk (3):
KittyCupCake, NeedfulThings, copper223
copper223 (2):
guille2015, Pirate Ika
Dechs Kaison (2):
Whomping Willow, Soviet Crocolisk
Soren (1):
prawneater

No Vote (0)


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is Thursday, March 19, at 7:00 PM CST, which is in (expired on 2015-03-19 19:00:00).
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Post Post #591 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:25 am

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Alright. G'night folks.

Please don't hang WW before he's given at least a Town/Scum list.

Zaicon, please double check that count. I was fairly certain he had 6 votes.
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Post Post #592 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:26 am

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Yes I would assume you don't want to get site banned for claiming scum in a game so your distinction is meaningless unless you are coming out as third party, in which case I want you to come clean now or I'll instalynch any attempt to shift position in the future, so your distinction is pure semantics and unappreciated.

Nobody can force you into claiming, if you try and pull that on me I will get you lynched for role fishing, so that reason is BS, unfortunately this looks to me like a bad case of some townie that thinks he is more clever than he really is, I will stop here before I get mean and I will think aboit motives that do not include dumbplay after a coffee and some time to recover my objectiveness.
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Post Post #593 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:34 am

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Goodnight Dechs Kaison. Sleep well my friend ~
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Post Post #594 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:35 am

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copper223 wrote:Yes I would assume you don't want to get site banned for claiming scum in a game so your distinction is meaningless unless you are coming out as third party, in which case I want you to come clean now or I'll instalynch any attempt to shift position in the future, so your distinction is pure semantics and unappreciated.

Nobody can force you into claiming, if you try and pull that on me I will get you lynched for role fishing, so that reason is BS, unfortunately this looks to me like a bad case of some townie that thinks he is more clever than he really is, I will stop here before I get mean and I will think aboit motives that do not include dumbplay after a coffee and some time to recover my objectiveness.


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Post Post #595 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:37 am

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Dechs Kaison wrote:Zaicon, please double check that count. I was fairly certain he had 6 votes.

I did. You may have missed the fact that Soren voted for WW in and voted WW again in without any other vote changes in-between, leading to a "false vote".
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Post Post #596 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:37 am

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Ah sorry. I forgot if I voted for him or not and didn't check.
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Post Post #597 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:18 am

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Well, I have no idea what Dechs is about, I do know it's not helping town from where I am sitting, so that townread is gone.
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Post Post #598 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:59 am

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WW are you scum?
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Post Post #599 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:11 am

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