We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[copper223]

@Titus
Lucian claimed 1-shot vengilante, he claimed he can either use his vig ability during the day to kill someone or he can use his shot up to 48 hours after he dies.

[Marquis]

last thing: who mentioned a "pedantic tracker"? like what

[copper223]

Or you're playing outguess the mod and they left one unmodified PR in.

There is no confidence in your play Jackel98, if you really roll tracker during a game you don't go about whining how bad you are as town and please don't lynch me, I don't believe you did that just to fly under the radar because if that was the game plan you would have moved sooner once pressure started to build on you, I think you it's likely you are full of it, plus this is always a guessing game, so I fail to see how that is particularly bad in this case.

[Titus]

@Titus
Lucian claimed 1-shot vengilante, he claimed he can either use his vig ability during the day to kill someone or he can use his shot up to 48 hours after he dies.

He should hold it if he's town IMO. If he's scumread, we force him to use it on the opposing scumread. Vigs tend to be best with the most information.

[LucianRoy]

We've got a lot of information.

[copper223]

He should hold it if he's town IMO. If he's scumread, we force him to use it on the opposing scumread. Vigs tend to be best with the most information.

He was the main wagon before he claimed, I think he is town.

[Lihin]

In addition to the rather simple role, does it bother anyone else that Jackel's claiming a tracker in a game where there seems to be a lot of passive/day abilities?

[Jackel98]

Copper, I've been skipping most of the pages. I honestly don't know what's going on. That, and finding a VC is hard work.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Okay, I just saw the vig claim.

@Lucian: Is it a 1-shot vig or 1-shot overall? i.e. Would vigging someone today take away your venge kill or is that a permanent fixture in your role? Please get me your answer as soon as possible. Ivy will either give it to me in the PT, or I'll see it when I'm back this way again. My 3 picks are Drixx, Vonflare, and Brantz.

Now if you excuse me, I promised the rest of the commonwealth an avatar full of monocles.

-Bulbasaur

[deathfisaro]

Honestly, I want to make it past N1 so that I could track somebody, maybe track a person to the kill, and at least have some information. I'll participate. I just got lost at the beginning of the game, and with five pages to read a day I could barely keep up.

You want to track someone to a kill but you're not reading the game. So are you going to pick blindly and take ~10% chance?

[Cerberus v666]

He said it was 1 shot total. He can either use the shot before death or up to 48h after death. That's my understanding at least.

[copper223]

Something which we have no reason to speculate on is my stance on that, in fact I would not have claimed one-shot but w/e.

[God of Power Outlets]

I think we as a town are overthinking claims and should just worry about lynching our scumreads. For what it's worth, we don't think Drixx has done anything particularly town-worthy, and has fought against doing protown things. We think his claim is fake, because he kinda swept ActionDan's semi-counterclaim under the rug. Factional bulletproof is a claim that Drixx can never ever prove, so it's sake as far as a fakeclaim goes (maybe it's a Mod designated fakeclaim). Like, if someone outside our Masonry claimed Mason we'd hit them furiously with our Scumrod. The "this is two set-ups" thing shouldn't make us just sweep claims under the rug. Everyone has a non-vanilla role, we can't take the attitude of "he claimed so-and-so, we can't lynch him Day 1." Otherwise we're going have to lynch my slot, because we have the 'tamest' claim on the board. We essentially have two lynches Day 1 and maybe a free Day 2 if BB's role does what he says it does. Let's use them like lynches instead of mass-claim roulette.

We have ~4 days till deadline. Stop dancing around claims, pick your top scumreads and pursue them. If you think Toon and I are scum faking Masons? Fine, put your money where your mouth is. Take responsibility for your reads. Here are our top two, I'll summarize what I think of them.

On that note, more Drixx votes please. Forget his claim (which sucks), he hasn't played like town. When he started getting challenged, he panicked, in my opinion made a bad/fake/whatever claim under pressure, and now he has the indignant attitude of scum caught for the wrong reasons. since then he has blamed other players for his reads, pressed the outting of my Mason partner, and when that DID happen, blamed him for claiming Mason under the threat of being lynched/vigged. He tried trumping up his BP claim as making him confirmed town (like in #1352), and has demanded to me and my slot on several occasions to change our read based on hersay and claims, rather than with some actual strong town play. I don't like that he tries to throw around unproven bits about his role and set-up as the reason he should be read as town. I think Drixx is just playing to survive rather than catch scum.

deathfisaro, we've covered this before. He's another player who gets progressively worse as the game goes on (I actually read Drixx as town early on, until he caved to pressure put on him, though Kuribo and UT read him as scum early anyway). I don't think he approaches the game from a protown mindset. After his initial feeling out players he's familiar with, he stops trying to figure out alignments of any of those players around the time he tried to "gambit" with Om. To me it looked like a poor attempt to establish himself as town when the perception on him was starting to deteriorate. It was a move that looked to gain 'towncred' then to do anything to figure out Om's alignment. To the point, he immediately gives up his gambit the second someone calls him on it. If he was committed to it, why not just shut up and wait till Om posts anyway? He is quick to declare "you ruined it". You can't try and do a gambit against a player and expect every other player in the game pretend the two of you are in a vaccuum. Though when pressed on this, he makes an excuse about not knowing how his gambit was supposed to work remarking "shouldn't Om's reaction been telling even if other players found it weird?" Why yes, yes it should have, if only you followed through. It's hard as scum to commit to anything, because scum wants the ability to be flexible enough to reasonably lynch anyone. This is evident through his play, he's not committed to pursue much. He "parks" his vote on scumreads rather than trying to sort through them, or convince other players he is right, or anything resembling town thinking. Does anyone know who deathfisaro thinks is scum and why? because I don't.

[Toon Fighter]

I think we as a town are overthinking claims and should just worry about lynching our scumreads. For what it's worth, we don't think Drixx has done anything particularly town-worthy, and has fought against doing protown things. We think his claim is fake, because he kinda swept ActionDan's semi-counterclaim under the rug. Factional bulletproof is a claim that Drixx can never ever prove, so it's sake as far as a fakeclaim goes (maybe it's a Mod designated fakeclaim). Like, if someone outside our Masonry claimed Mason we'd hit them furiously with our Scumrod. The "this is two set-ups" thing shouldn't make us just sweep claims under the rug. Everyone has a non-vanilla role, we can't take the attitude of "he claimed so-and-so, we can't lynch him Day 1." Otherwise we're going have to lynch my slot, because we have the 'tamest' claim on the board. We essentially have two lynches Day 1 and maybe a free Day 2 if BB's role does what he says it does. Let's use them like lynches instead of mass-claim roulette.

We have ~4 days till deadline. Stop dancing around claims, pick your top scumreads and pursue them. If you think Toon and I are scum faking Masons? Fine, put your money where your mouth is. Take responsibility for your reads. Here are our top two, I'll summarize what I think of them.

On that note, more Drixx votes please. Forget his claim (which sucks), he hasn't played like town. When he started getting challenged, he panicked, in my opinion made a bad/fake/whatever claim under pressure, and now he has the indignant attitude of scum caught for the wrong reasons. since then he has blamed other players for his reads, pressed the outting of my Mason partner, and when that DID happen, blamed him for claiming Mason under the threat of being lynched/vigged. He tried trumping up his BP claim as making him confirmed town (like in #1352), and has demanded to me and my slot on several occasions to change our read based on hersay and claims, rather than with some actual strong town play. I don't like that he tries to throw around unproven bits about his role and set-up as the reason he should be read as town. I think Drixx is just playing to survive rather than catch scum.

deathfisaro, we've covered this before. He's another player who gets progressively worse as the game goes on (I actually read Drixx as town early on, until he caved to pressure put on him, though Kuribo and UT read him as scum early anyway). I don't think he approaches the game from a protown mindset. After his initial feeling out players he's familiar with, he stops trying to figure out alignments of any of those players around the time he tried to "gambit" with Om. To me it looked like a poor attempt to establish himself as town when the perception on him was starting to deteriorate. It was a move that looked to gain 'towncred' then to do anything to figure out Om's alignment. To the point, he immediately gives up his gambit the second someone calls him on it. If he was committed to it, why not just shut up and wait till Om posts anyway? He is quick to declare "you ruined it". You can't try and do a gambit against a player and expect every other player in the game pretend the two of you are in a vaccuum. Though when pressed on this, he makes an excuse about not knowing how his gambit was supposed to work remarking "shouldn't Om's reaction been telling even if other players found it weird?" Why yes, yes it should have, if only you followed through. It's hard as scum to commit to anything, because scum wants the ability to be flexible enough to reasonably lynch anyone. This is evident through his play, he's not committed to pursue much. He "parks" his vote on scumreads rather than trying to sort through them, or convince other players he is right, or anything resembling town thinking. Does anyone know who deathfisaro thinks is scum and why? because I don't.

Goodposting

UNVOTE: VOTE: Drixx

Also:

@mod and everyone: I will be away for the weekend, V/LA until monday/tuesday

[God of Power Outlets]

A+

[LucianRoy]

Books, but I think, as drastic as it sounds, Drixx should also claim the faction he's immune to and finish his RC before anyone heads straight in to lynch him.

[copper223]

Because that particular information would help us do what exactly? Fish another role out whose information we are uwilling to use? I am leaving this thread for a while so I don't flame you guys.

[God of Power Outlets]

He doesn't need to claim anything because, if true, it doesn't change a thing, and if fake, doesn't change a thing.

[Drixx]

Tbh drixx I still am uncomfortable. It would help alot if you could answer whether you are immune to one or more of the 4 elements in the following set: {mafia1, mafia2, SK1, SK2}. Just answer "one" or "more than one"

Before the mod clarified that each "faction" kill would have different flavor (and a vig kill would be separate flavor if applicable), I wouldn't have been sure. Now I'm certain I can answer "one" to this question. {Would have answered sooner but I lecture on Tues/Thurs this semester}


TPTG puts up a wall of text bashing me, after short posts all game. That strikes me as particularly odd. Also, TPTG sacrifices context and the truth for the narrative. I didn't make my claim after the wagon piled up a ton of votes on me. I made a defense after I asked to be let sleep and work and I came back to see a whole bunch more votes. Don't let the truth get in the way of your penis-addled mind there TPTG. The addled one was mostly ignoring me until I made the horrible play of

asking a freaking MASON why he didn't try and get pressure off himself short of a freaking DAY ONE CLAIM

!

I mean seriously. The whole freaking upside of masons is that they are conftown to each other and they can swing the game late. They usually don't live long enough to swing the game if they freaking day 1 claim.

Which brings me to ... when on earth was the penis-person-hydra ever under such pressure that it needed to claim in the first place? I get why Toon felt pressured, but that ridiculous hydra never had that sort of pressure.

TPTG also is acting like there's not another player who outed himself because said player felt super strongly that my claim made sense. And finally he criticizes me for not trying to scumhunt or get reads on people when I've actually pushed several people since the earlier wagon on me.


I think someone I've played with said it the best: Scum like a narrative. They need to tell a story over time to get what they want. TPTG has ignored whatever doesn't fit his narrative consistently throughout this day phase. His "case" against me is pathetic tripe and full of hypocrisy. Of course ... what should I expect from players who think it's amusing to sit around posting about their collective dicks? We dealing with high school kids here or something?

[Drixx]

He doesn't need to claim anything because, if true, it doesn't change a thing, and if fake, doesn't change a thing.

Only scum don't care if they kill someone who might be helpful later on. I'm certainly among the more active and involved players in the game. If you removed your head from the dark cavity where it seems to be currently inserted and stopped cherry picking to make a case that fits your narrative, you might actually find some scum.

[God of Power Outlets]

LOL

Criticizes me for "ignoring the narrative"

But swings around his non-confirmable claim as confirmable

The narrative is pretty fine. You can at least do your part and look for the other scumteam. I'm with you on that.

You don't get to try and play the 'boo-hoo' card on me, I wasn't arguing with you earlier in the phase. I'm not into the woe is me crap. I'm not into this petty-insult shit you're throwing around at me. I'm motherfucking T-Bone and I got the biggest dick in this yard.

[LucianRoy]

I could just shoot Drixx and see what happens.
I think almost everyone has put his name down as scum today.
He was probably even bussed at some point.

[God of Power Outlets]

Not for nothing Lucian, yes you have a vig shot, what are your reads? Yes we've been deciding who you'll kill publicly, but you haven't given much input on it.

[deathfisaro]

1612
Because you don't read my posts.
Take a guess why my vote's still on Vyse. Vyse dodged my question, my complain about him dodging my question, and a reminder of the complaint about him dodging my question. (Vyse posted between all these posts, multiple times.) It was not a hard question to answer. At this point I'm more interested in his motivation behind

supposedly missing

ALL these posts than what answer he's gonna give me, if ever.
And didn't I just spend all of today's time and effort looking at what Jackel's been up to?

Oh and I'm terribly sorry about not being able to successfully read alignments of the people who lurked all game then replaced out.
Let me know what you found out about Reubus and Dani. I'm sure there's enough content these two shared that you'll be able to convince everyone else that these two are either conftown or obvscum.

[Drixx]

Well let's put our collective dicks aside okay? You could have legitimately made the claim when OM wagoned me that I wasn't scumhunting. That's not a legitimate claim now, and you're behaving like I'm not part of some secret society or something. Off the top of my head I pushed Lucian, Copper and Toon at least. I'm fairly certain I put some pressure on another slot as well. I took the cue from the earlier wagon and cleaned my shit up.

I'm looking for both scumteams, by the way. Why are you referring to "the other scumteam"? {Rhetorical, the why is obvious}.

De-tunnel yourself and do something worthwhile.


@Lucian - If you want to potentially waste your shot and have it do nothing (I don't know your kill flavor) {worst case?} or kill a town aligned player who you know to be active and more clever than a certain clique in this game is giving him credit for, then by all means shoot me. That little bit of vindication doesn't really mean much, but perhaps it will get people to stop behaving as if they've wandered into some AU where everyone has his head inserted up his rear-end.