Mini 1649: Jabberwocky Mafia (Game Over)

hi im Yakko · Post Post #550 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:46 am

↑ Elbirn wrote:Oops, apologies, Axl said that given a choice he will hammer Seraphim. So that's a townlean pseudo on the Seraphim wagon. Looking better imo.

Why are people on the sera wagon to n over people on the Brantz wagon? assigning town reads to people on a wagon? that seems rather flimsy imo actually it seems gauche.

hi im Yakko · Post Post #551 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:47 am

↑ Elbirn wrote:Agreed. Willing to hammer BRantz, someone wanted us to wait I believe?

UNVOTE:

lolque

hi im Yakko · Post Post #552 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:52 am

scum:
Tier
Brantz
Elbrin

Prove me wrong, protip you can't.

BRantz · Post Post #553 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:53 am

If I get lynched my flip will Yakko.

goodmorning · Post Post #554 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:55 am

'Brillig' means four o'clock in the afternoon--the time when you begin broiling things for dinner."

Votecount 1.20

FA_Q2 [L-1] - Witness Protection, BRantz, farside22, Belisarius, Valkyrie Mollie, TierShift
BRantz [L-1] - hi im Yakko, T S O, Flubbernugget, Titus, FA_Q2, Elbirn

Not Voting [1] - AxleGreaser

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2015-03-13 22:00:00).

hi im Yakko · Post Post #555 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:57 am

↑ BRantz wrote:If I get lynched my flip will Yakko.

I forget, who are your scum reads?

T S O · Post Post #556 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:07 am

Bring the hammer down on BRantz, please.

hi im Yakko · Post Post #557 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:11 am

Can't :/.

BRantz · Post Post #558 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:29 am

@Yakko: Can't tell if trolling or... here are all of my reads again.

↑ BRantz wrote:Alright, my reads (in alphabetical order):

AxleGreaser: Axle posts a ton of walls, but seems to focus too much on meta and not enough on what is going on in the game (though this has gotten better in the last few pages). My read keeps waffling between mild town and mild scum, so mostly null.

Belisarius: Has been pushing for information gain, and scum hunting pretty much all game . Very town.

DDD/Aero/Flubbernugget: This slot has done almost litterally nothing. Null for now.
@Flub: have you read the game yet?

Elbirn: Elbirn has also been very open with his thoughts, and good scum hunting. Very Town.

farside22: I think the way farside has pushed the people/wagons she is voting has been very good. Town.

hi im Yakko: One of the lurkers, but has some decent content in his posts that aren't "I'm catching up" posts. Mild town.

Seraphim: Has actually done nothing except throw votes around. Scummy.

TSO: I have mixed feelings about TSO's catch up, but I am more inclined to see his posting as town than scum at the moment. I really don't like his stance on making a case on me though it reads very much like scum trying to take a back seat on a wagon. Null, leaning mild town.

Tiershift: I still don't feel like there is a lot of content in his catch up, but rereading it there is certainly more than I initially gave it credit for, and his posting since then feels very proactive. Mild town.
UNVOTE:
@Tier: Sorry for missing your question twice. I feel 91 is weird because you saying that you couldn't vote without reading, but then asking a question about something (implying you read) in the same post caused dissonance.

Titus: Has been very active in discussion, and was/is a major driver of the tier wagon. Town.

Valkyrie Mollie: There is an interesting dissonance between GiF and Mollie on who to vote (farside vs me when far was pushing me). There posting has been mostly good though. Still don't like them calling people unlynchable that early. Mild town.

I have a weird lack of scum reads at the moment.

People I am willing to lynch today:
1. Seraphim
2. Flubbernugget

VOTE: Seraphim

Elbirn · Post Post #559 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:54 pm

↑ hi im Yakko wrote:
↑ Elbirn wrote:Oops, apologies, Axl said that given a choice he will hammer Seraphim. So that's a townlean pseudo on the Seraphim wagon. Looking better imo.

Why are people on the sera wagon to n over people on the Brantz wagon? assigning town reads to people on a wagon? that seems rather flimsy imo actually it seems gauche.

Uhhhh No? I'm saying that axle is a townlean, and the fact that he joined the wagon reinforced my feelings that it was the right wagon. my town reads have nothing to do with what wagon the person is on.

Elbirn · Post Post #560 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:55 pm

↑ hi im Yakko wrote:scum:
Tier
Brantz
Elbrin

Prove me wrong, protip you can't.

You spelled "brantz, farside, beli" wrong.

AxleGreaser · Post Post #561 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:52 pm

@Thread

yeah this post has words, lots, and refers to stuff. Please really read all of them. Dont skim.

A rather short time ago....
This was your claimed state of mind with how happy you were with the lynch situation.

↑ TierShift wrote:I'm up for deadline wagons. Sooooo up.

Then on the basis of >>

just

<< this one post

↑ BRantz wrote:I am just a vt. Do what you gotta do axle.

@FA: why would I change something that works for me just because people have a hard time reading it correctly?

when this was the

Spoiler: previous similar Brantz post

↑ TierShift wrote:UNVOTE:

Pretty damn sure
brantz is town due to latedt reactions to getting hammered.

VOTE: faq
I don't like their latest post wrt farside. Am somewhat okay with this lynch.

TLDR 1:

I do not accept your claim that your read changed on the basis of the information you say it did.
The previous Brantz post was quite similar, and you were all systems go for the lynch. 521

and even though there is in fact one post that swayed your mind in that interval,

↑ TierShift wrote:Great, what do you think of brantz's latest
posts
?

you when re-imagining your own past refer to it(one post) as plural.

What else happened in between is I declared intent to hammer. Then you suddenly get change of heart. I dont see the new information that came from. I see distancing.

TLDR 2:

I still intend to Hammer Brantz sometime after 18:00 PDT.

That is, unless of course Tier winds up at L-1 in the next little bit... then Id "reconsider"....

FA_Q2 · Post Post #562 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:28 pm

↑ AxleGreaser wrote:
@Thread
yeah this post has words, lots, and refers to stuff. Please really read all of them. Dont skim.

Okay, that was rather funny.
[quote="In A rather short time ago....
This was your claimed state of mind with how happy you were with the lynch situation.

↑ TierShift wrote:I'm up for deadline wagons. Sooooo up.

Then on the basis of >>

just

<< this one post

↑ BRantz wrote:I am just a vt. Do what you gotta do axle.

@FA: why would I change something that works for me just because people have a hard time reading it correctly?

when this was the

Spoiler: previous similar Brantz post

↑ TierShift wrote:UNVOTE:

Pretty damn sure
brantz is town due to latedt reactions to getting hammered.

VOTE: faq
I don't like their latest post wrt farside. Am somewhat okay with this lynch.

TLDR 1:

I do not accept your claim that your read changed on the basis of the information you say it did.
The previous Brantz post was quite similar, and you were all systems go for the lynch. 521

and even though there is in fact one post that swayed your mind in that interval,

↑ TierShift wrote:Great, what do you think of brantz's latest
posts
?

you when re-imagining your own past refer to it(one post) as plural.

What else happened in between is I declared intent to hammer. Then you suddenly get change of heart. I dont see the new information that came from. I see distancing.

TLDR 2:

I still intend to Hammer Brantz sometime after 18:00 PDT.

That is, unless of course Tier winds up at L-1 in the next little bit... then Id "reconsider"....

[/quote]
You are quite possibly correct but that will be determined by the flip.

FA_Q2 · Post Post #563 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:30 pm

....
Messed up the quote function again. It should have read at the end of his post:

You are quite possibly correct but that will be determined by the flip.

The rest was supposed to be a quote.

FA_Q2 · Post Post #564 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:50 pm

↑ Elbirn wrote:
↑ hi im Yakko wrote:scum:
Tier
Brantz
Elbrin

Prove me wrong, protip you can't.

You spelled "brantz, farside, beli" wrong.

I see your case on farside and branz - I must have missed beli.

Why do you think beli is scum?

FA_Q2 · Post Post #565 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:53 pm

↑ TierShift wrote:UNVOTE:
Pretty damn sure brantz is town due to latedt reactions to getting hammered.

VOTE: faq
I don't like their latest post wrt farside. Am somewhat okay with this lynch.

Exactly what do you not like about them?

FA_Q2 · Post Post #566 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:34 pm

↑ Belisarius wrote:Actually, I can't place my finger on why, but the wagon on Seraph feels sorta like the flashwagon on me in Open 480

How so?

Had you also not posted a single post with any impact? Did you also lurk to the point that you were not playing? Was there exactly zero case around you other than blank space?

If not then the reason that you cannot place your finger on why it is similar is because it is not. My wagon formed out of thin air because a player simply refused to play. That really wasn't lurking either - it was simply not playing. Now that he was replaced and this is no longer an issue there is no case against my slot. If BRantz is a bad lynch in your book then who is the alternative that actually has a scum case against them?

Elbirn · Post Post #567 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:49 pm

↑ FA_Q2 wrote:
↑ Elbirn wrote:
↑ hi im Yakko wrote:scum:
Tier
Brantz
Elbrin

Prove me wrong, protip you can't.

You spelled "brantz, farside, beli" wrong.

I see your case on farside and branz - I must have missed beli.

Why do you think beli is scum?

Yeah so basically I've had him as a tentative townlean so far, but then the other day at work I was thinking about this, and a little light bulb went off. The sequence of posts that is 149, 155, and then 443, where he flipsflops on his own logic. "No easy wagons, there needs justification" earlier today on a BRantz wagon, when getting the ball rolling really mattered, and then when push comes to shove "oh yeah let's go for a policy lynch I'm fine with that". That is shit. And then when I prompt him about it starting around 525 his answers p much confirmed my suspicions. 529 reminds me of Beli in a game I played with him where he and I were scumbuddies; throw out some vague, mostly irrelevant nonsense about meta/some game related anecdote/whatever you want to call it and pass it off as a contribution.

So TL;DR

1. Early game, wagon pops up on BRantz. He ignores it and pushes against it, with the logic of "nah, this wagon is 'easy' and has no justification so it's bad"
2. Wagon on BRantz again, he gets put to L-1, with an alternative wagon of Sera being at L-3 by the time he joins it. A pure policy lynch, with zero reasoning, and somehow it's more justified than a lynch on BRantz who has an actual scumcase being pushed by several people? Nah, this is scum-Beli seeing an alternative wagon to his partner picking up steam.
3. Scum-Beli trips and drops his townmask in the mud in 525. While scrambling for it he mutters some irrelevant nothings about another game.

Clear logical contradiction, pieces fit, he looks like the Beli I played with as scum. *Waves to Scum-Beli* ^_^

I believe I've already pointed out where Farside screwed up, where she had a clear logical error regarding BRantz, where the logical conclusion to her line of questioning would have been to vote him, buuut then she instead voted for VM. "Bus a buddy, vote a townie".

BRantz hammer please.

Elbirn · Post Post #568 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:52 pm

Yeah we are less than 24 hours, Axle plz.

AxleGreaser · Post Post #569 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:41 pm

OK, its long enough after 18:00 PDT for anyone that wanted to say anything to have their chance.

VOTE: BRantz

T S O · Post Post #570 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:51 pm

Elbirn, I really, really like #569.

TierShift · Post Post #571 (ISO) » Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:21 am

I has sad.

I'm going to take a look at beli tomorrow.

farside22 · Post Post #572 (ISO) » Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:26 am

↑ TierShift wrote:I has sad.

I'm going to take a look at beli tomorrow.

I had this crazy beli, vm and titus scum theory at one point in the game.

I was voting faq by the way

goodmorning · Post Post #573 (ISO) » Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:53 am

Votecount 1.FINAL

BRantz [LYNCH] - hi im Yakko, T S O, Flubbernugget, Titus, FA_Q2, Elbirn, AxleGreaser

FA_Q2 [L-1] - Witness Protection, BRantz, farside22, Belisarius, Valkyrie Mollie, TierShift

Not Voting [0] -

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to lynch. The day

will end in (expired on 2015-03-13 22:00:00)

is over.

BRantz was lynched D1. He was a

Mome Rath, Vanilla Town.

Night ends in (expired on 2015-03-15 14:00:00).

goodmorning · Post Post #574 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:26 am

AxleGreaser was snicker-snacked Night 1. He was

the Jabberwock, Suicidal Mafia.