We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[ActionDan]

Like the point of Jackel not having a special snowflake PR is not a point against him... his play notwithstanding but I'm not going to concern myself with that

[copper223]

Have you been mislynched as a PR before, early on in the game?

[deathfisaro]

@Jackel
Hmm... I think you missed the group of people who are okay with your claim but not with your play who are listed next to your name in the votecount.

You still haven't explained why you ditched this game. "Life is busy" doesn't explain activity in other games you're in.

You still haven't told me how you're gonna track scum without reading the game. etc.

pedit:
@copper
I already see 1689 that way.

@AD
I think "normal" base role with flashy addon is still normal. Some are indeed special

[Marquis]

what i think happened is you bps were made without specifications in the original setup

then when combined, in the same way scumteams were kept separate, certain roles were rewritten to pertain only to the scum of their origin game

[Marquis]

certain role pms*

[Drixx]

So like my rolename is town bulletproof. straight up. I guess yours is not? It's also accompanied by an ability name that details my immunity status. I thought you would have either immunity to mafia, or SKs, (well obviously the one I didn't have). But this "faction X". Is that "X" a stand-in for a something particular that is known to you... or literally faction 'X' where the mod tells you that 'X' could be anything?

"X" is a specific thing that I know and will not share.

what i think happened is you bps were made without specifications in the original setup

then when combined, in the same way scumteams were kept separate, certain roles were rewritten to pertain only to the scum of their origin game

certain role pms*

This seems highly likely. Two BPs in a single 13-player setup doesn't make much sense. One from each makes much more sense.

[deathfisaro]

@AD + Drixx
This is a mashup of 2 games, so if BP existed in both games, it's easy to make BP from game1 to be scum1-specific-BP and BP from game2 to be scum2-specific-BP.
So I'm guessing there's a higher chance the factions you two are immune to are different and won't help in identifying each other as town. Just keep them secret and make both scum factions guessing.

I think I agree with you Marquis. I don't find anything very abnormal about the concept of 2 faction specific BPs existing in a game like this.

[Jackel98]

Yes, I have been lynched D1 multiple times as a PR.

Also, I'll track whoever I want, thank you very much.

[Drixx]

Although, I should add that BP's from separate games increases the probability of opposite alignment BP's. My initial assumption was that I was immune to one scum faction and AD the other. If we came from different setups that got mashed together, then objectively people should seriously consider the possibility we're opposite alignments. I still feel like a game makes more sense if we're both the same alignment, but the difference and what Marquis pointed out made me update my prior assumptions and I now rate the opposite alignments as nearly as likely as the other two possibilities.

That doesn't really help people trying to figure me out, but hopefully it will help town at some point.

[copper223]

Yes, I have been lynched D1 multiple times as a PR.

Also, I'll track whoever I want, thank you very much.

I am pissed with you.

UNVOTE:

It's not impossible that Jackel would say that as a PR then, I have read a town game of his where he is very negative about his play the whole game through and I noted the point ActionDan makes.

Are you talking to me about who to track?

[Cerberus v666]

Mmm. So, neighbors+weird roles=one game(I say this because I have the whole one way mason thing going on, and am a neighbor), and more standard roles are the other mod? Hmm. That actually makes perfect sense. That makes me less suspicious of Jackel's claim, but still suspicious of the pointed silence until votes came on.

[copper223]

VOTE: VysePresident

[copper223]

I am re-thinking deathfisaro as well.

[ActionDan]

My initial assumption was that I was immune to one scum faction and AD the other.

Ok full stop. "I was immune to one scum faction" and "AD the other" implies you were thinking in singular terms, and you've confirmed you are immune to a singular entity. Everyone knew the mods put together, at the least, 2 separate mafia teams... which implies you're immune to a singular scum team.

Well that's just whack. Because I'm immune to both mafia teams.

And I don't think the mods would fuck around like that if they put in two separate town BPs. I was clinging to the assumption that you were immune to a singular SK, which would fit in with our back and forth and even though that'd be kind of weird in any case. But the above quote I think squarely would contradict that so here we are.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Drixx

[copper223]

@Dan
Do you know the names of the scum factions?

[ActionDan]

Nope!

[ActionDan]

they are 'mafia' though. Originally I just assumed that that was short for volcano mafia but I asked and it turns out not to be the case

[copper223]

Yeah I do not buy the differences between the two claims either anymore, I think Drixx claimed faction specific because he knows his own scumteam and could always use that reveal as a trump card.

Shoot Drixx and Lynch Dan if he flips town with the role he claimed would be a way to go about it.

[Cerberus v666]

Eh, I still don't buy scum drixx. Not especially fond of that line. Especially given that shooting sooner rather than later seems suboptimal.

[Pirate Ika]

game shld be renamed 50 shades of derp.

you pple do realize that wguerts is VI yeah? I have 3 completed games with him. the first 1 he was obvnewb and nacho wanted him around (we were scum). the second he acted like he did not know what a hammer was despite him being in c9 where it was sort of explained. then he was in varsoon and guided the dayvig to shoot town despite me saying no, lets shoot scum!skull but no he went after cooldog for much of the same reasons he is going after jackal now. jackal is acting like disinterested town!jackal and suuuure he cld be tailoring his meta to fit my read on him - how flattering! - but does anybody think he wld do this in a game where it is pretty obv no1 is listening/reading a thing I say? I mean I asked for town consolidation and a wagon and a strong cw so we can scumhunt off of it. I mean I guess jackal is the wagon then can we plz have a strong cw too preferably on some1 who is actually scummy that is not led by derp?

like death. the post that bro posted in which I agreed with death showed a distinct self-conscious that I find mostly comes from scum. there is no indication of town indignation from it at all it looks more like, "oh hey wow you caught me how did you do that?". he is also not telling the truth that I jumped from drixx to him I have been pushing a vonny lynch for most of the day round but he is leaping all over marquis's weird obsession to find us scummy.

anyways I am officially v/la nacho is here but he is trying to catch up on sleep cos I wore him out that is the only reason I am on here at all. my posts will be spotty and I fully expect scum to try to take advantage of that.

also I find it funny that death is saying I am going after low hanging fruit while he is going after jackal lolololol. who gets lynched early in every game as TOWN when he stays in the game.

[Magua]

Phonepost. Coppers plan is bad and sets up misltnches. Do not do.

[Magua]

Drixx came from game w only mafia. Actiondan came from game w mafia And so. Don't be dumb Jesus h Christ.

[Pirate Ika]

danny unpack your reason for your vote on drixx cos it is giving me whiplash

[Magua]

And sk*

[Jackel98]

Well, being town is boring. It's easier to see scum after D1, but sadly I don't get that far.