Mini 1637- Pokemon Generation I uPick (Game Over)

[Ursaring]

Vote Count 4.01

Flames682(0):

Bert(0):

Seohyun(0):

Boonskiies(0):

pieguyn(1):

Flames628

TierShift(0):

Not Voting(5):

Bert, Seohyun, Boonskiies, pieguyn, Tiershift

With six alive, it takes four votes to lynch.

Deadline:

The deadline for Day 4 is in (expired on 2015-03-27 13:00:00).

[Bert]

I think it's Pie as well

[pieguyn]

Well, pie, got something?

yeah, I got it now

[pieguyn]

atm I'm trying to figure out if it's possible TS-scum would have this ability, but have it be different than what he claimed. cos I still hate his play yesterday and his claim screams scum fakeclaim with the most obvious loophole ever built into it, and I have reason to think everyone else is town.

/shrug

I need to do some rereading

[Bert]

Were you told that you've been suicide bombed, or just targeted with no specifics?

[pieguyn]

I was told that my Parish Count fell to 2. no specifics as to what it actually does.

[Bert]

I was waiting to see if the mod would say anything.
I was thinking since I redirected tiershift -> pieguyn, that would mean tiershift wouldn't be scum. Unless something happened like a delayer or some other ability, which would mean he still could be scum. During the night I was deliberating on who could be scum and I had narrowed it down to {tiershift, pieguyn}.

Thoughts?

Ok so you redirected, so that anything Tier did targets Pieguy

Also, flames, result?

[Bert]

I was told that my Parish Count fell to 2. no specifics as to what it actually does.

Weird.

[pieguyn]

Kbw wagon sucks and there is 1-2 scum on it.

@mod BBT is voting twice

Fixed.

Flames682 (1)- BlueBloodedToffee
Bert (1)- Espeonage
Marquis (0)-
Seohyun (0)-
LastManStanding (0)-
Wisdom (1)- Tiershift
Espeonage (0)-
Micc (0)-
Egg (1)- Micc, Bert
BlueBloodedToffee (2)- Not_Mafia, Flames682
Keybladewielder (5)- Wisdom, Seohyun, LastManStanding, Egg, BlueBloodedToffee
Not_Mafia (0)-
TierShift (1)- Marquis

this makes me bias towards TS scum. given Marquis was off the wagon, it looks like a straightforward attempt at redirecting suspicion. (btw yes I am reading the entire game now)

[pieguyn]

^the alternative there is that it was distancing (not too unreasonable I guess) or that Bert is scum.

[Bert]

Huh?

KBW is formerfish and flipped town. What do you mean Marquis redirecting suspicion onto Tier lead you to bias towards Tier scum?

At that Vc, the 5 votes are Boon, Seo, Metal Sonic (town), egg (town), Pieguy

[pieguyn]

not_mafia tried to claim there were "1-2 scum on the KBW wagon"

it's a fairly straightforward play to make a vague statement like that in order to misdirect away from where scum _actually_ are. given LMS/egg/me are all town and Marquis was proven to be off the wagon already, it would make sense that is what he's doing here, which would implicate TS or Flames.

[pieguyn]

p14/15 is interesting. TS says NM "has a huge stick up his ass" despite pointing out basically the same thing NM did in that the KBW wagon was unwarranted, then immediately drops it and votes LMS along with him. I'm not sure what to make of it, though.

[pieguyn]

~truth time~ i just have like no interest in this day so far at all :/ like i'm keeping up alright just with barely any time to actually post but even then it's like... nothing interesting has happened at all yet and i want more pokedex entries

why marquis is scum btw

i don't even think you've mentioned me at all before this

much less even called me scum / reacted to any of the discussions about me and me being shitty

you haven't been reading huh

well according to your ISO i'm not the one who's full of shit here

VOTE: flames

bert is meh anyway now

Marquis I have no idea what that meant

this points to Flames town, imo.

[pieguyn]

But you're talking to him like he is town in the first part.

Cognitive dissonance.

VOTE: Tier

Need a VC to see who is on Micc wagon.

so you dont know then?

I can't KNOW. But, he's probably town.

I'm talking to him like I want to cooperate. That's what I do, as town. Try to find other town and cooperate. That's how town wins games.

Why are you trying so hard not to understand?

I can't KNOW.

But you're talking to him like he is town in the first part.

Cognitive dissonance.

VOTE: BBT

I understand completely.

Why are you pretending like I don't have a point?

Will go back to Micc if necessary

WTF is that NM?

Your point is that I address my scumreads as if they're town.
My counterpoint is that I always address my scumreads as if they're town if I'm looking to work together.

Why would you want to work with someone you're scum-reading?

I can't believe BBT would chainsaw so hard.

Thinking we might look at 2 scum between MS/bbt/micc.
Can't believe all of them are this dense as town. Actually, I know that all of them are NOT this dense as town.

To find out if they're town or not.

If I don't have a 100% read, I try to improve. What the fuck is your problem?

@Tier - My problem is the inconsistency in your reads.

@Wisdom - Because he is.

It is not inconsistent. I currently think you might be scum. However, I would be perfectly willing to try to work with you.

If I were a shitty player, I'd just scream at you now for being stupid and possibly scum. I know that doesn't solve anything, however.

I can't KNOW.

Why would you want to work with someone you're scum-reading?

We still have 21 hours to lynch this

I'll pass Wisdom.

Yeah, it is. You can't speak to someone like you're town-reading them and then say they might be scum in the very same paragraph.

This feels like scum caught for the wrong reasons.

You do that.

well, if I were actually inconsistent as scum I would be scum caught for the right reasons, not the wrong ones!
If it helps, I can dig up old posts like that from town games.

Nah, meta means shit.

You were inconsistent. But if you genuinely feel that you haven't been then you would be scum caught for the wrong reasons.

76 - In this post, you talk to Esp like you know he is town.

332 - In this post, it feels like you're flinging mud at the KBW wagon to see what sticks. Like, look at all these people just voting KBW, but I won't push it, I'll just highlight it and see if someone else will do it for me.

364 - Then comes your awful vote for LMS.

So, yeah. Those points, plus your cog dis when talking to Micc, makes me think you're scum.

PEdit - Because it's meta. You're hardly going to go digging and show Scum!Tier doing the same things are you? Meta is too subjective and is bullshit. I'm not interested.

There's no way BBT is seriously pushing this nonsense as town.

Look, what you call an inconsistency is my regular town play. Why don't you believe me? Why do you scumread me for it?

As a rebuttal:
76: No, why do you think so?
332: I was AGAINST the KBW wagon; if I wanted others to push the kbw wagon, why would I not just shut my mouth?
364: have you already taken a look at his iso? Please tell me what you think of it!

You can explain your micc towread now, thanks.

I'm not voting micc. He's a scumread, but not nearly as much as my other ones.
Preferred lynch is between MS or BBT. I think I might prefer BBT, actually.
VOTE: bbt

this, on the other hand. LOL

[TierShift]

I was told that my Parish Count fell to 2. no specifics as to what it actually does.

The mod sucks and it should be Perish Count, but well, do some research into the game and see it can be absolutely nothing else than that I claimed.

[TierShift]

Seriously, pie, do your research. If you still believe my ability might do something else AND seo cannot redirect kills, look at me. For the moment, please look at someone who is not confirmed from two different sources.
You know I basically lead the notmaf wagon too?

I really really don't understand why so many people think I'm scum this game.

[TierShift]

I think we can really regard pie as conftown now as there is no way he'd put in effort if the game was already over.

[TierShift]

I think it's gotta be boon with an outside chance of bert but I really don't believe that.

[TierShift]

VOTE: boon

[pieguyn]

You know I basically lead the notmaf wagon too?

where did you lead the NM wagon? so far I'm seeing you pushing a bunch of people who are not him (I'm at the end of D1).

you could just as well have another delayed ability that resolves after 3 phases. I don't like that you conveniently used this right at the point where it'd be too late to do anything about it if you were scum. it screams scum fakeclaim with the most obvious loophole ever built into it.

the thing I think is town is not the role itself but that you're using it to attempt to clear someone, which in endgame is a pretty big town tell, but given the rest of the context surrounding your claim I don't feel comfortable writing you off as town bc of it. however, I've pretty much hated everything about your D1 play. /shrug

p-edit: I was going to ask who you thought scum was if it wasn't me, but guess that answers that. to be fair, I've basically hated Wisdom's play so far too and would probably be scum reading him if it weren't for the way he/NM handled each other.

[pieguyn]

just reached the end of D1. I fucking hate everything about TS's play. every push he made was fucking awful. first he pushes LMS for no reason besides "read his ISO", and spends a lot of time weakly appealing to players telling them to just read his ISO and join him as opposed to explaining *what* he actually found scummy. then he pushes Micc for probably the worst reason I think I've ever seen in my entire life (498), and it comes out of absolute nowhere. the trajectory here was basically nonexistent. calls him scum for "not engaging", when that argument could be applied to basically all of this game; claims he didn't back up his statement about empty questioning when he did.

for a further explanation of why I think this is scummy, it is extremely helpful to go back and look at the context. Wisdom was tunneling Micc really hard, and Micc had just made 495 calling *both* NM and TS as scum. given the (lack of) trajectory here, I think this was a calculated play to get Micc lynched. this is even more so the case when you factor in interactions like the one I just pulled up where NM and TS basically hard defended each other the whole D1.

moreover, I would think that if he was poking at lurkers, Marquis should have been on his radar, but he completely ignored Marquis. /shrug

I have a town read on Bert. at this point he's the only person I feel comfortable town reading based entirely on play without regard to interactions/role info. I also like Seohyun's play to some extent, although I do not feel strongly about this.

(before anyone asks, no, my TS read here is not final; I still haven't read D2 and I'm open to discussion. I'd also like to figure out what's going on with TS's role and finish massclaim before finalizing any reads.)

[pieguyn]

Flames and Wisdom I'm still ambivalent on. disregarding interactions, I'm null on Flames and hate basically everything Wisdom did as well.

need to get smth to eat, will continue in maybe ~1 hour

[TierShift]

I started voting Notmaf in 975. You know, right before all the other sheeped me onto that wagon? Right there.

The reason that I conveniently use my ability last night, is because it IS convenient for town. I'm not gonna suicide bomb before the end of the game. Why would I? That does NOT give town an extra mislynch. What I'm doing now does. Again, as I said, do the freaking math.

[Bert]

I think we can really regard pie as conftown now as there is no way he'd put in effort if the game was already over.

He doesn't know exactly what your "parish count" does, when it does, IFt it does.

He can't just take your word for it. So why would he as scum concede or give up