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[TierShift]

Uh, because I'd be confirmed town to him?

Well, I guess he could think I was doing an elaborate reaction test...

[pieguyn]

I started voting Notmaf in 975. You know, right before all the other sheeped me onto that wagon? Right there.

I'll pay attention to it when I get to that part. I'm just starting D2 right now.

I'm not convinced you're scum at this point. what I'm thinking about - and the reason I'm nowhere near as certain as I want to be on you being scum here - is what exactly your scum plan in this situation would be. discounting your role claim, you'd have to get 2 more mislynches in order to win, but you're pushing who would likely be one of them as confirmed town. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ so I'm still fairly open to reevaluation at this point.

[pieguyn]

seeing more Flames/Marquis interactions. overall, if Flames is scum here, he and Marquis-slot were basically distancing from each other all game.

[Flames682]

Uh, who replaced marquis?

[pieguyn]

Uh, who replaced marquis?

vettrock

[Flames682]

Ah, first post didn't say.

[pieguyn]

TS, here's the thing.

yeah, you did push NM. OK. the problem is, you weren't by any means the first to push him. Wisdom and BBT had been pushing him earlier that day, although they unvoted, and Bert was already on him.

moreover, the reasoning you gave again came out of nowhere. both his defense of KBW and him pushing BBT were things that happened way before the point where you voted him. afaict, you had basically ignored him up to this point.

then after you voted him and FF initially started catching up you somewhat weakly attempted to derail the lynch onto FF and link FF as his partner (1012), which is a textbook maneuver coming from scum bussing a partner - I saw BROseidon pull this on 3 different people in the same game last time I played with him - and the other thing was, the wagon didn't really consist of people sheeping you. from what I could tell, there was a lot of confusion at deadline about how many votes were on NM and we had a bunch of people voting there because there wasn't really another viable wagon.

given the (lack of) trajectory again, I really don't see anything here that's compelling as a non scum x scum interaction. it makes sense that you'd see the momentum on NM and join at an early venture to get all the town cred possible off it. this is even more so the case when you expressed the idea earlier that scum tend to bus by default. (not pushing this as a scum tell; just I don't think it's town)

I actually think 1300 is more of a town tell bc it'd be somewhat suicidal to immediately bus Marquis after bussing NM. however, given you didn't vote the slot until the very end of the day when it was guaranteed to go through, I don't think this is a strong tell either.

what am I missing?

[pieguyn]

the other thing I got from D2 was that Wisdom, for the second time this game, pushed NM but then attempted to hop off at the first possible opportunity. there was basically no strong push to actually get NM lynched, even accounting for him being apathetic.

[Flames682]

Tier, why did you townread me throughout day 1 and day 2 and switcharoo on day 3?

pie, what's your current read on me and why was it scum on day 3?

Seo, what were your reads on me throughout the whole game (as in, progression)?

[Flames682]

1-shot global delayer is a viable possibility for what happened. either way, this should make more sense after mod gets here/massclaim finishes.

Everyone needs to take a look at this post carefully. Explanation later

Disregard this post, btw.

[pieguyn]

pie, what's your current read on me and why was it scum on day 3?

town via Marquis/vettrock

it was scum on D3 because I hadn't read the game and I had reason to think everyone else was town; FF for Psychic, Seohyun for that whole shitstorm around the Psychic ability, TS/vettrock for how they were generally accepting me/FF as town as opposed to trying to spread paranoia about it (as well as in vettrock's case I first thought Marquis was town until I went and corrected it later), and Boon bc I thought Wisdom was pushing NM harder than he actually was and bc I didn't see Wisdom getting apathetic after bussing a buddy the whole game.

[Flames682]

(as well as in vettrock's case I first thought Marquis was town until I went and corrected it later), and Boon bc I thought Wisdom was pushing NM harder than he actually was and bc I didn't see Wisdom getting apathetic after bussing a buddy the whole game.

So...you didn't read the game but had townreads based on before day 3.

[pieguyn]

yeah. I hadn't read the full game, but I had looked through ISOs here and there (primarily Marquis/Wisdom's).

[Bert]

Who are you second guessing yourself the most about?

[pieguyn]

I hate to OMGUS vote, but I'm inclined to vote for Boon as well. I didn't really see the interaction between Wisdom and NM as scum partners, but Boon's recent push on me seems pretty scummy, but I'm not sure how much I'm letting the OMGUS aspect of it bother me.
VOTE: Boon

Pie was referring to me being scum and doing that.

VOTE: Boonskiies

Fuck it. Don't care.

this is...... what in the blue fuck. I really don't see this making sense as scum x scum, even though it probably does.

[pieguyn]

probably TS

literally everything about his play is what I expect from scum. his play, interactions with both scum, and the fact his role claim is convenient as shit and gives him an easy way to coast until endgame. up until today, which I think is town.

usually in a situation like this (see: GM's game) I place more weight on endgame play than play during the rest of the game. however, I still don't see much of a compelling reason for anyone else being scum.

who do you think is scum assuming I'm town?

[Bert]

Tier

[Bert]

I would have been easily swayed to vote FF today had he not died.

[pieguyn]

at p57 and Seohyun has now soft defended both scum without committing to a hard stance on either

haven't really seen anything else notable about Seohyun's play (and I'm still not sure how D3 would play out the way it did with Seo and NM as partners), but might as well note it in case it's relevant later

p-edit: how do you think TS intends on winning this game if he is scum here? obviously mislynching Boon would be the first step, but I'm not sure what he'd do from there given I doubt he'd actually be able to lynch you. only thing I could really think is that he'd attempt to bullshit a push on a different target on D5 and hope no one would notice. (and I'm guessing he'd have to NK me tonight?)

[Flames682]

Same.

pie why Marquis and Wisdom?

[pieguyn]

don't have much of a reason. I figured I'd probably be able to get a read on either of them bc I have experience with both of them, but nothing beyond that.

[pieguyn]

trying to figure out if vettrock would push Boon as hard as he did here if they were partners. it felt more like he was just voting whichever of {Boon, Flames} looked plausible, which to me implies both are town.

[Bert]

at p57 and Seohyun has now soft defended both scum without committing to a hard stance on either

haven't really seen anything else notable about Seohyun's play (and I'm still not sure how D3 would play out the way it did with Seo and NM as partners), but might as well note it in case it's relevant later

p-edit: how do you think TS intends on winning this game if he is scum here? obviously mislynching Boon would be the first step, but I'm not sure what he'd do from there given I doubt he'd actually be able to lynch you. only thing I could really think is that he'd attempt to bullshit a push on a different target on D5 and hope no one would notice. (and I'm guessing he'd have to NK me tonight?)

His goal would be to survive tomorrow's lynch (or until whenever his "claimed bomb/kill resolves)," with his chances bolstered by everyone assuming he will be suiciding tomorrow and therefore not lynching him

[Bert]

Seo has struggled with putting out non-timid stances all game long tbh.

[Flames682]

The only townread I have currently is Bert and everyone else could be scum I have no clue at this point.