We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Drixx]

Things have super slowed down. I wasn't sure that this day was gonna hit a lull, but it seems to have. Are we sure we want to trigger the BB effect?

[Cuttlefish]

Vote Count 1.14

BRantz (7)

- VysePresident, Marquis, Om of the Nom, Oranje Crush, LucianRoy, Narninian, Jackel98

Jackel98 (4)

- Magua, vonflare, Bulbasaur Commonwealth, Drixx

Drixx (3)

- Toon Fighter, ActionDan, Boonskiies

BBmolla (3)

- Three-Pronged Trouser God, copper223, ChriVi

ActionDan (2)

- ChriVi, PeregrineV

vonflare (2)

- BRantz, Ozgin

VysePresident (1)

- deathfisaro

Toon Fighter (1)

- BBmolla

deathfisaro (1)

- Pirate Ika

Not Voting (2)

: Titus, Lihin, Cerberus v666

With 25 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-03-17 11:57:34).

Lihin has been prodded.

vonflare has also been prodded, but since he has declared V/LA he will be replaced if he cannot respond within 48 hours, as per rule 14.

[Narninian]

He also showed reluctance to the Jackel wagon... etc etc, you get the point.

So, in a haphazard conclusion, I have a semi-scumread on Narinian.

You see straight up being against and voting in counter wagons specifically to beat the jackel wagon as 'reluctance'?

[Marquis]

6 more brantz votes in just over a day

come on

[vonflare]

Hello.

Um. i havent been keeping up with this game over my V/LA.

I think il vote for brantz becuase its a wagon. im sure theres reasons going on here.

VOTE: BRantz

[Drixx]

VOTE: BRantz

This drops jackel down into a 3 way tie with me and BB for 2nd most votes. Perhaps a couple more votes so that scum would have to be super obvious in trying to stop the claimed effect?

[Ozgin]

VOTE: BBmolla

While I don't like von, or the way he's playing, I also want to test the effect. But if there is no night, how do we exercise our investigative town roles?

[Drixx]

We don't. But neither do scum, which is why it's a town role. The problem is that he claimed it (super early for no apparent reason) and so if we don't use it today, then we may never GET to use it. I poked around a bit when the claim happened and got ROFLstomped by the "in" clique in this game for my troubles.

[Pirate Ika]

im going to blaitnetly preprod dodge right now...

mollie has been doing most of this one so when she gets back i will sync with her

[Titus]

Prod dodge...

[Narninian]

wait... why are we trying to trigger the 2 in-a-row effect with no hard information yet?

[Marquis]

because for some reason people are afraid of molla dying over cop and mason and conftown-neighbor claims

[Cerberus v666]

Yeah eh...is his ability so powerful that we'd rather not risk losing him? I'm okay with the plan...if it's what we want ot do. I'm not so sure it's what we should do though.

[Om of the Nom]

yeah nah can we not fukin trigger molla tonight we need setup info and we arent going to get any of it by skipping N1

[Cerberus v666]

maybe those molla votes should just all go to brantz after he shows up, assuming he doesn't sway us? *shrug*

[Narninian]

VOTE: BBmolla

While I don't like von, or the way he's playing, I also want to test the effect. But if there is no night, how do we exercise our investigative town roles?

we don't.... which Is why I think its a waste to do it day 1.

[Cerberus v666]

letting N1 happen might be acceptable. We should 100% use molla N2 though if he's still around, and lucian should probably shoot tomorrow, for role claim confirmation purposes.This is all kinda pointless speculation though. wonder why the conversation all died.

[Narninian]

its not pointless speculation if people are actively voting to try to trigger the night skip

[Drixx]

The problem with letting the night happen is that all it takes is a strongman one-shot or something to kill BB and we don't GET the night skip ever. The one upside I can see to using it is that it confirms BB's claim, makes BB mostly conftown and adds another name to the list of people scum have to worry about. Get enough Conftown into the mid/late game, and PoE becomes almost as good as PR results.

[Drixx]

I'm sorry ... that should say "The

biggest

upside I see to it".

The

one

downside is we don't get to use night skills ... but neither do scum, so that's a wash. We'll see someone's flip, so there should be at least /something/ to go on.

[Titus]

The problem with letting the night happen is that all it takes is a strongman one-shot or something to kill BB and we don't GET the night skip ever. The one upside I can see to using it is that it confirms BB's claim, makes BB mostly conftown and adds another name to the list of people scum have to worry about. Get enough Conftown into the mid/late game, and PoE becomes almost as good as PR results.

During a night skip, strongman cannot act.

Plus why are you assuming night skip is a good thing now?

We use night skip in mylo, that buys us a mislynch.

[Om of the Nom]

omfg ur acting like BB is not already obvious town even without his role
if anyone literally has any doubt about his role being legitimate they deserve to be shot by lucian bc it is such an easily confirmable role that it would be stupid as a fake claim as scum and bb is town as heck already. we can use his power tomorrow or the day after depending on how long we want to chance it for but right now we know nothing about the setup that is actually concrete outside of claims (which could potentially be from scum) and that is not a good position to be in. we dont know a thing about scumteam composition or amount of potential kills or anything like that and this is all stuff that will be helpful to town and we can obtain that sort of info from N1

[Titus]

Om don't jump to conclusions. You do that a fair amount and that makes you an easy target.

A scum nightskipper can cause all one shot roles to be wasted.

We don't know enough right now to have him act or to confirm him as town.

I had a one shot lightning rod as scum once. That practically functioned as a scum nightstopper.

[Drixx]

Titus, please read what I said:

"The problem with letting the night happen" means not triggering BB's ability.

There are pros and cons to using the night skip now.

Waiting until MYLO requires that BB stays alive until then, AND requires that the claim be true.

Personally, I would want to use it after a couple nights happen; however, if the claim is true, how likely is BB to be around then? I'm fairly sure that's about 95% of the reason people want to use the ability now.


@OM - For someone who talks about other people being stupid, you are missing things counter to what you're saying. You are arguing that it's a stupid fake claim because its so easy to confirm. Let's think this through:

1.) Assume the claim is fake and BB is scum (just assume it for the sake of thinking this through)
2.) Assume BB survives until MYLO and we decide to trigger the night skip then so that a mislynch doesn't lose the game for us and we mislynch (This is very plausible ... look at Titus just a couple posts up suggesting this exact use ... and she wasn't the first).
3.) Insta Lose if 1 and 2 are true.

At least apply some rational thought to things. Just because a claim is "easily verifiable" doesn't make it true. As far as we know the game setup, there's nobody in the game who actually

knows

anyone is town for sure (except for those of us who got assigned town). Sometimes you seem really on top of it and clever, and then sometimes you say things that make it seem like you make poor assumptions and don't think things through thoroughly. What's up with that?

[Titus]

@Drixx, If BB is scum, the odds of him surviving are abysmal because someone else will likely check him.

Yes, thing could go wrong theoretically. Yet that requires no cop to check BBMolla if he's scum.

We cannot control if we mislynch in mylo twice, yet that is the optimal use of BB's ability.

I wasn't the first because it is objectively right.

Cops should sensor the fuck out of the wagons today.

If Lucian suboptimally shoots, it should be someone wagoned for VCA.

Not everyone gets to use their ability.

Plus if all these claims are true, town is loaded.