Mini 1637- Pokemon Generation I uPick (Game Over)

[Flames682]

I only need to reread seo one last time and if I like what I see then I'll want boon lynched for today and myself for tomorrow.

I'm cool with that

[Bert]

Paranoid moment here

If scum-tier dayvig enters tomorrow at 1v3 and shoots immediately, would that end the day? I'm assuming no.

Flashbacks to con mafia where scum day-shot in 2v3 lylo when day opened

[Seohyun]

Also, seo's shot isn't limited, why wouldn't he use it on Day 2? Something's definitely off.

Actually, my ability is x-shot lol I feel like it'd be a little too powerful if not. Why is it off though? Are you saying that is something scum would do? Tell me what you think is off if you can.

I don't like that Seo just happened to have redirected Tier to Pie or the fact that Seo did not doing anything on Night 2.

Again, why don't you like it? What would scum-me achieve in doing that?

Also, why is him saying he can redirect kills indicative of town? That gives Seo an easy move of saying he redirected something from whoever and mislynch to win.

Also, the fact that it's redirect "kills"...we're not killing in this game. We're knocking Pokemon out.

uh what
you are saying that scum-me would try to clear tiershift in order to direct a mislynch to...who?
Also, I'm not sure what you're trying to say by pointing out the difference between killing and knocking out. It's the same thing.

town read on boon decreasing more and more today

[Ursaring]

Vote Count 4.02

Flames682(0):

Bert(0):

Seohyun(1):

Flames628

Boonskiies(0):

pieguyn(0):

TierShift(0):

Not Voting(5):

Bert, Seohyun, pieguyn, TierShift, Boonskiies

With six alive, it takes four votes to lynch.

Deadline:

The deadline for Day 4 is in (expired on 2015-03-27 13:00:00).

[Boonskiies]

I didn't know you were limited. I'll answer everything when I can. Have company over.

[Seohyun]

Yes, I didn't say it before. I thought I should hide it

[Flames682]

Flames628

Lovely

[Flames682]

mod if there is a dayvig ability in this game and its used would it end the day?

[TierShift]

Hey seo, why did you redirect me to pie?
Boon, there are still two questions standing for you on the previous page. I even quoted them nicely in a post. Stop ignoring them.

[TierShift]

Oh, sorry, boons. Failed to read again

[pieguyn]

turns out the PM I got should have said that my perish count fell to 3, not 2

[pieguyn]

I think early crossbus for distancing and afterwards buddy preservation is a perfectly viable scum strategy. I very often see scum vote their buddy and the direct their attention elsewhere.

you and I have very different ideas of how to play scum. I would never attempt to soft distance without following through with it later, because you risk being called out for being inconsistent and it looks really conspicuous if your partner ends up flipping at some point. if I was bussing here, I'd continue to rail the fuck out of him to get the most town cred possible from it.

I tried rereading again and in 1437 he calls vettrock's 1274 town, but when he initially voted vettrock 1283 he claimed he didn't like vettrock's Flames push, which 1274 was the continuation of. -.-

I also don't particularly get why he tried to vote you/me after his self vote instead of moving back onto vettrock. looking at it from this POV, it makes more sense.

I thought some other things didn't make sense as trying to save a partner. like, look at this

Updated Read List:

Boonskiies
Seohyun
Flames
Formerfish
Bert
Tiershift
Vettrock
Pieguyn

VOTE: Pie

his idea of "buddy protection" here would be to vote me who was never getting lynched that day, while putting vettrock as his backup scumread. the end result of this is it does absolutely nothing to actually derail the lynch off vettrock.

I also think on a general level he could have done a _lot_ more to derail the lynch off vettrock if that's what he was actually going for. there was basically no actual push on any other target besides a few quotes related to me (1592, 1593), the former of which I actually thought was genuine bc I could see what he was picking up on (deliberately going against the general flow of reads is a relatively easy way to get town cred as scum and smth I abused the fuck out of in the game where we were scum together) and how he linked it to my scum game.

/shrug

People don't just forget about their biggest scumread. Vettrock did for a moment. Then he backpedalled and threw it in again. Buddyxbuddy interaction.

the problem I have with this is it's not indicative of scum x scum interaction, it's just indicative of vettrock fabricating reads. I first thought it was indicative of what I mentioned before - vettrock-scum opportunistically voting between Boon/Flames depending on which looked more likely to go through.

Pie, I immediately thought 1846 was not genuine. It felt as a snap-response, as though he was really mad I compared his actions to scum-motivated actions. That doesn't line up with him agreeing to my point later on and just making a throwaway gesture 'yeah, of course lol why is it important'.

His first response is to discredit me because he's scared.

I'm going to straight up admit I can't fucking read Boon's play at all. the end result of this is I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I have no idea if it's actually scummy or not or why he wouldn't do this as town. /shrug

[pieguyn]

TS offering to be lynched is, tbh, the kind of thing I'm referring to when I say his endgame play looks town. only thing I think he could really be going for here as scum is for people to hopefully write him off in 4p because "he would never do that as scum", which is theoretically a shit play but I've seen scum attempt similar things before (zmuffinman was that scum!).

the problem is, I still have no fucking idea how anyone besides him makes any sense as scum here. I have strong reason to call Flames and Bert town, minor reasons to call Seo town, and I still don't think a few things Wisdom/Boon did make sense coming from scum. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@TS: would you be willing to do it the other way around (lynch you today, then Boon tomorrow)?

@Boon: want to hear your response to the first part of 1886

[TierShift]

turns out the PM I got should have said that my perish count fell to 3, not 2

Yeah, ursaring made a mistake and I pointed it out. If thr prrish count had been 2, we'd have died before the lynch instead of after.

[TierShift]

@TS: would you be willing to do it the other way around (lynch you today, then Boon tomorrow)?

No. Not doing that. Perhaps if I read seo and am 100% sure he's town.

[pieguyn]

No. Not doing that. Perhaps if I read seo and am 100% sure he's town.

...........

why wouldn't you be fine with it? it's the same outcome either way. either Boon gets lynched and then you promise to roll over and die in 4p, or you get lynched now and Boon gets lynched in 4p. you should be fine with this if you were fine with the other one

[TierShift]

I'm not sacrificing myself until I'm 100% sure it leads to a town win.

[pieguyn]

oh my god

this is common sense. IT DOESN'T MATTER IN WHICH ORDER WE LYNCH BOON AND YOU IN. you shouldn't be against going first yourself if you were fine with going after Boon. if you're not fine with this, then it means your first suggestion to be lynched after Boon was empty bluster and you really planned on trying to get out of it and lynch someone else the next day.

I'm aware you need to be deliberately obtuse about this, but really?

[pieguyn]

like, don't get me wrong, I understand the sentiment

but if you actually believed it, you shouldn't have volunteered to lynch yourself after Boon in the first place

[TierShift]

Yeah, as it currently stands, I think it's boon and maybe you. If I change my mind tomorrow, I'll need to come with extremely strong arguments and you're free to hold what I said here about volunteering against me. If boon flips town and I'm really sure about you being scum (hint, I'm not, yet), I won't fight my lynch.

[TierShift]

Happy pie day pie

[Ursaring]

mod if there is a dayvig ability in this game and its used would it end the day?

That would depend on how the Dayvig role is written.

[Flames682]

mod if there is a dayvig ability in this game and its used would it end the day?

That would depend on how the Dayvig role is written.

q.q

Good with a Boon lynch.

VOTE: Boon

[Bert]

i would really want to lynch tier right now if not for a lot of current game factors, yet i still really want to, but im going to not go down that rabbit hole for now and keep looking around

tier's avatar now has a different coloured hat, and his harness has a man's picture (who is that)?

also, boon why did you vote Seo (before the unvote)?

also boon if town can actually clear people if he's telling the truth (well, maybe he can't since role madness etc.)

[Bert]

tier's steadfast resistance to getting lynched today (but ok tomorrow) made me worried that he has a dayvig tomorrow that ends the day or something and leads to insta-win (or some kind of other conditional formula for winning). and i looked, where in perish song does both the executor of the perish song action die ALONG with the target(s) of the perish song action? i dont know Pokemon, but still. that doesn't mean clear at all. Maybe Seo's redirect might be clearing-ish IF this weren't such role madness, but claiming perish song itself is not means for conftown status. At least, from what I would think

And oh...I see it now...Bert said Boomerang as well, when the actual move in Pokemon is called Bonemarang.

unvote

I still don't get the no action on Day 2 for Seo.

Boon, current read on Pie? You ended D3 saying this was super scum pie

Meh, I can't read pie. I'd rather lynch Tier over Pie today regardless, because A) we lynch ScumTier or B) We lynch TownTier and can leave Pie to die to the perish song.

Boon
Flames
Bert
Seo
Tier/Pie

I don't like that Seo just happened to have redirected Tier to Pie or the fact that Seo did not doing anything on Night 2.

ok just saw this. updated thoughts would be fantastic