We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[copper223]

I agree.

[Titus]

OMG

can we jut end the day with a lynch already instead of these last minute wagons

VOTE: brantz

Brantz made himself ineligible to be voted.

[copper223]

VOTE: Drixx
At least this is a lynch with little downside and my gut read may well be wrong because Drixx willing to lynch a random guy is not sitting well with me, that is clearly suboptimal and you know it.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Like with Vyse you either say why you find something scummy or you are likely just scum fake scumhunting, you will notice I always say I find x scummy because he has done y and I interpretet it in this way

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your nebulous reads, I notice the backpedal on Vyse now that it looks like he is putting up more resistance, should get you lynched pronto in any sane game.

It's scummy because it's a blanket dismissal of what Vyse said A.) without addressing any of his points and B.) exaggerating/strawmanning the ones you do touch to a point you can "safely refute" as being false and then dismiss the rest.

Also, ha ha, got a problem with us (well, bulb mainly, but I'm going along with it, so I get some credit/blame for it, too) changing our read? You sure like to paint everything we do as being scummy or opportunistic while pouncing on the fact that 2 heads are trying to read up on the game and the one that IS caught up has had to make multiple catch-up post. NOW, to be completely fair, some of those catch-up posts are entirely due to me neglecting the thread until we were near due prods (the first two batches, specifically), but at the same time you seem to be taking any and/or every opportunity that I do something which even somewhat aligns with events to cry "opportunistic" and then allow you to keep your read on me.

(also, please fix how you use your periods and commas. Same with Cerb, I think, or Vyse. One of the two. Slight little peeve of mine because my mind is tripping over itself thinking that you're making a run-on sentence when it was supposed to have stopped a few words ago.)

P-EDIT: I hope this sounds as dry as possible, but you're not getting a Drixx wagon today.

...In the same vein, as much as I hate it, vonflare won't happen. Lemme do a quick re-check of the VCs to see if BB doesn't have the 2nd-most votes.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

If my math's right, BB and Jackel are tied. Mod's rulesheet indicates that a simple majority should decide the lynch, so I think there doesn't need to be any more PV votes (though it wouldn't hurt to push it all the way to be sure).

There should be one more vote on Jackel, at least, to make sure that he should be 2nd-most and priority.

-Ivy still

[copper223]

I am using a phone keyboard, that's why my commas are not always spot on.

I am not dismissing them, he makes them too subjective to actually be debatable, if I tell you I feel what you are doing is not like proper scumhunting, and you give me the impression of making up your reads, but I don't have a problem with one in particular, rather the general aporoach you are taking this game, which gives me bad vibes, plus this is multiball so the fact you are scumhunting is not town indicative, it depends on how I perceive it wheter it's grnuine or not etc ect ect... what the heck are you going to reply to this? Vyse's case is a concatenation of these sentences, unassailable because it's not based on anything objective to begin with and that's why I think it's scummy, I did exagerate those points because based on the stuff I am reading zi am convinced multiple pkayers are skimming.

[Ozgin]

If my math's right, BB and Jackel are tied. Mod's rulesheet indicates that a simple majority should decide the lynch, so I think there doesn't need to be any more PV votes (though it wouldn't hurt to push it all the way to be sure).

There should be one more vote on Jackel, at least, to make sure that he should be 2nd-most and priority.

-Ivy still

Wait, don't you mean BBmolla?

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Jackel

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:

ARE WE ACTIVATING MY ABILITY TODAY OR NOT

[Magua]

No. Using bbmnolla's ability to skip N1 is bad.

[copper223]

I'm fine with waiting but N3 at the latest.

[LucianRoy]

I think we should use it tonight.

[BBmolla]

Why do you want to use it?

I'm slowly catching up btw

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

ARE WE ACTIVATING MY ABILITY TODAY OR NOT

No. From a selfish perspective, I would rather not. I have no plans to act tonight but I have plans for end game with these lylo fucking roles.

From an actual perspective, using you N1 just permits scum to rolefish.


Given I stump, not much else I can do until I destump.

[Ozgin]

No. Using bbmnolla's ability to skip N1 is bad.

Possible Scenarios:

We use it, skip night 1, conftown BBmolla. Mafia and night vigs and all investigative roles do nothing. Nothing good, nothing bad happens because of a lack of night. We get a flip on the primary lynch, gives us information going into day 2.

We don't use it, BBmolla dies first night because he has become a huge mafia target. We all hang our heads in shame at our lack of foresight.

We don't use it, BBmolla lives first night (protected maybe?), we confirm it at a later date. Investigative roles get used, but so do mafia roles. A chunk of good for a chunk of bad.

I color coded the results in the way I think they are valued (red is bad, green is good, orange is neutral)

Do you think the neutral is more valuable than I see it? Why or why not?

[Ozgin]

EBWOP:

Did I miss any possible scenarios?

[LucianRoy]

Why do you want to use it?

I'm slowly catching up btw

Basically, if we end up in a no lynch, which is more than likely, the scum will take the advantage tonight by default, and we'll start day2 at a disadvantage.
Not good for the long-run.

[Titus]

BB using his ability does not townfirm him.

Scum killing BBMolla means cops live and get investigations off.

Scum might try to shoot plenty of others that have claimed. Lucian for instance. The longer the game the more info he has to vig ftom. With so many claims, predictions are hard. I want to learn.

[Titus]

Why do you want to use it?

I'm slowly catching up btw

Basically, if we end up in a no lynch, which is more than likely, the scum will take the advantage tonight by default, and we'll start day2 at a disadvantage.
Not good for the long-run.

Stop voting Molla and trying to stall the game.

If you all voted you could actually get a lynch.

[Magua]

Molla dying N1 instead of one of the masons should be colored in the greenest green you can find.

[BBmolla]

I'm pretty fucking okay with dying guys, I gotta be real. Especially with claimed more important roles out there.

[Ozgin]

BB using his ability does not townfirm him.

Scum killing BBMolla means cops live and get investigations off.

Scum might try to shoot plenty of others that have claimed. Lucian for instance. The longer the game the more info he has to vig ftom. With so many claims, predictions are hard. I want to learn.

Fair enough, I hadn't considered that. VOTE: PV

Molla dying N1 instead of one of the masons should be colored in the greenest green you can find.

Also didn't consider that.

Thanks, hindsight!

[copper223]

If my math's right, BB and Jackel are tied. Mod's rulesheet indicates that a simple majority should decide the lynch, so I think there doesn't need to be any more PV votes (though it wouldn't hurt to push it all the way to be sure).

There should be one more vote on Jackel, at least, to make sure that he should be 2nd-most and priority.

-Ivy still

The way I read it is if 13 is not reached there is no lynch.

Do you all really think the best lynch is a complete blank?

VOTE: PeregrineV

Considering quitting.

[LucianRoy]

Whatever, I'll pitch in...

VOTE: PeregrineV

[Magua]

Guiz.

Look.

LOOK.

Starting flashwagon on someone who had no votes is dumb. Like, super dumb. Like no-way-to-get-claim-or-what-if-claim-obvtowns-him-oh-shit-what-then dumb.

Just. Fucking. Vote. Jackel.

Hell, I'd even take a Drixx lynch over a PeregrineV lynch and I think Drixx is town.