We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Drixx]

VOTE: Drixx
At least this is a lynch with little downside and my gut read may well be wrong because Drixx willing to lynch a random guy is not sitting well with me, that is clearly suboptimal and you know it.

Yeah, you're scum. We're bumping up into screwing up and no lynching, and you're going to suggest I'm scum for agreeing we should lynch a lurksack over not lynching?

[LucianRoy]

I'm still a bit uncertain about Jackel...

[LucianRoy]

Whoops, @Magua ^

[Drixx]

EBWOP:

Did I miss any possible scenarios?

Nope. But you apparently missed the two or three times I already said exactly the same thing.

[Ozgin]

Like no-way-to-get-claim-or-what-if-claim-obvtowns-him-oh-shit-what-then dumb.]

While I think the likelihood of the latter happening (him claiming obvtown and us being unable to stop it) at this point is slim (I doubt PV is even going to post before the end of D1), I must concede to the former point of no way to get a claim/useful information out of it.

Although I'd rather VOTE: Drixx than Jackal, I think there's more information to be reaped from a Drixx lynch than a Jackal lynch, but that's just me.

[Lihin]

VOTE: PV
PV lynch is now feeling pretty unappealing to me. Utility lynch that leaves us with hardly any more information, especially if BBmolla nightskip is utilized. Only moving back if nothing else is going to be pushed through.
VOTE: Drixx
Agree with copper's reasoning. This is probably the best feasible option remaining.

[Lihin]

whoops, last post should have said
UNVOTE: PV
VOTE: Drixx

[LucianRoy]

Double vote, whoah.
I town-read copper.
Lead us to victory or destruction.
VOTE: Drixx

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

1)I am using a phone keyboard, that's why my commas are not always spot on.

2)I am not dismissing them, he makes them too subjective to actually be debatable. 3)if I tell you I feel what you are doing is not like proper scumhunting, and you give me the impression of making up your reads, but I don't have a problem with one in particular, rather the general aporoach you are taking this game, which gives me bad vibes, plus this is multiball so the fact you are scumhunting is not town indicative, it depends on how I perceive it wheter it's grnuine or not etc ect ect... what the heck are you going to reply to this? 4)Vyse's case is a concatenation of these sentences, unassailable because it's not based on anything objective to begin with and that's why I think it's scummy, 5)I did exagerate those points because based on the stuff I am reading zi am convinced multiple pkayers are skimming.

1)Fair enough. I guess phoneposting makes it hard to punctuate (I don't have a fancy-shmancy phone, nor do I want one, so idrk)

2)Welcome to almost every damn case made in a mafia game! Now that that bit of idi--sorry, ridiculousness is out of the way, in all seriousness what a way to completely sidestep the points.

a.)He went into fairly extensive detail about why your read progression on me and many others felt unnatural to him. Your point about subjectiveness, while true here, is still an attempt to dismiss or deflect the argument.
b.) your next bullet point completely ignores context, taking only the first half and

completely ignoring

the second half which literally says he's talking with you to get insights on you and help his direction. I mean, that's cherry-picking at it's finest.
c.) having a problem with read progression over reads (or the player giving said reads) is not as smoking-gun-y as you're trying to make it sound. I can be okay with a townread because of it's truthfulness relative to my opinion on said player, but that doesn't mean I have to always agree with

how

you reach it. It's just like with math problems and teachers: You can reach the correct answer, but you don't get full points if you're required to show your work and either don't or flub it.

3) You think I'm just pulling my reads out of my ass/other peoples reads? This kinda feeds into this whole problem of painting what I've done as opportunistic. You're taking posts that are very clearly catch-up posts (and if it wasn't obvious by the "on to page X" comments at the end, I wasn't reading ahead intentionally) and trying to spin them into me somehow taking chances to parrot reads and events that have already happened. Besides, considering that at the time I wasn't keeping tabs on what was happing at the front of the page, you could very easily start crying foul about my posts and I wouldn't really be able to know until I reached them.

4)So? Asking for a majority of objectivity in a case is bogus because it still comes down to how

you

, the player, feel about the player(s) in question. Also, lack of objective things isn't scummy. Sometimes all you can go on are feelings that you get.

5) That's not a fucking excuse! If players are skimming it's their damn fault, and you are NOT helping anyone by deliberately stretching Vyse's argument! If anything, it makes you scummier.

Wait, don't you mean BBmolla?

List one damn good reason why we should it trigger that doesn't involve confirming him or the WIFOM of whether or not he'll die tonight.

You do that, I'll vote BB as soon as I possibly can.

-Ivy.

P-EDIT: Oh, and what Drixx said (whee, more parroting, duncur). This isn't really a matter of what's optimal and what's not, it's a matter of using what time we have to try and get something before we go into the night. whatever "optimal" lynch isn't likely to happen in ~12 hours or less, and the one optimal lynch just excused himself from the game like a scumbag.

(this is obvdirected at Copper, not Drixx)

Lucian: What you think about Jackel is unimportant. What's important is stopping BB's ability from going off.

Do you all really think the best lynch is a complete blank?

VOTE: PeregrineV

Considering quitting.

Again, how the fuck do you expect a Drixx or whatever flashwagon to pop up now? I'd love for a wagon on anyone but PV to show up, but...

And wah, wah, cry us a river. These lynches happen, learn to accept that.

[Magua]

UNVOTE: Jackel (again)
VOTE: Drixx

[BBmolla]

Wait why not PV

I remember not wanting to lynch Drixx

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

And everyone tries to prove me wrong by getting a wagon on Drixx. <_< It's still a dumb wagon, though. Vote Jackel. Or vonflare.

-Ivy.

Mod - According to your rulesheet, does a non-majority lynch at deadline lead to a no-lynch? (Aka if the majority wagon is at 9 at DL, will that be a lynch or a no-lynch?)

[Drixx]

Wait why not PV

I remember not wanting to lynch Drixx

Because Copper is scum and made the lamest excuse ever to force the issue since we're approaching the deadline. At least I'll have the pleasure of enjoying Copper's presence in the dead thread after I flip and my claim is confirmed and everyone realizes he's mad scummy.

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jackel

[Ozgin]

Wait, don't you mean BBmolla?

List one damn good reason why we should it trigger that doesn't involve confirming him or the WIFOM of whether or not he'll die tonight.

You do that, I'll vote BB as soon as I possibly can.

-Ivy.

Woah woah woah, easy there bud, I was asking for linguistic clarification, it wasn't a sarcastic "Don'tchya mean BB? ," but rather a literal, "Hey wait, did you mean BB?" Sorry for any confusion.

Wait why not PV

I remember not wanting to lynch Drixx

The Drixx lynch has much more information in it. What do we learn from lynching a lurker?

[Titus]

My fucking god people...

While I like the info for vca just pick someone.

[copper223]

VOTE: Drixx

[Drixx]

Lurksacks are bad no matter how you slice it. Since we're apparently not skipping the night, what do you necessarily need to learn? A lynch for information made sense with the suggestion to skip night one, or else we would all continue on in essentially pure ignorance. That argument cannot be made with a serious face now that consensus is set on not using the claimed night skip.

[copper223]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jackel

vote Drixx please.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Votes on Drixx are fucking terrible and should be repurposed somewhere else. Like Jackel, vonflare, or copper.

-Ivy

[copper223]

Lurksacks are bad no matter how you slice it. Since we're apparently not skipping the night, what do you necessarily need to learn? A lynch for information made sense with the suggestion to skip night one, or else we would all continue on in essentially pure ignorance. That argument cannot be made with a serious face now that consensus is set on not using the claimed night skip.

We have no clue what role the lurksack in question has if he happens to be town, which is sometimg town Drixx should point out and you were the first to say your lynch may benefit town, with your little martyr spiel, now I am scum for suggesting the same thing in the position we are in? Time to die.

[copper223]

Votes on Drixx are fucking terrible and should be repurposed somewhere else. Like Jackel, vonflare, or copper.

-Ivy

I could also get behind lynching you.

[Drixx]

Copper is a smart player. He's betting that nobody will believe he's dumb enough to drive a wagon on me without any real reason. Don't let him off the hook folks.

My flip will read "Town Argyrophilic". I am unsure whether the ability will be explained. The ability is called "Silver Lining" and that should make everything I've said during this day phase make more sense, for anyone paying even a remote amount of attention.

You'll want to look at ActionDan's "example" questioning of me and decide what you think of that. It should now be obvious why I reacted the way I did.

See you all in the dead thread.

We have no clue what role the lurksack in question has if he happens to be town, which is sometimg town Drixx should point out and you were the first to say your lynch may benefit town, with your little martyr spiel, now I am scum for suggesting the same thing in the position we are in? Time to die.

Lurksack is still gonna be a lurksack and need to be lynched later. Scum ain't gonna do it (presuming he's town). You pushing to lynch one of the most active players is just silly. You're also taking my earlier suggestion out of context. In the situation where Lucian was planning to use his dayvig shot and we were going to use the night skip, it seemed like seeing my flip would be super helpful. Those things are no longer the case. Lucian is saving his shot and we're apparently not skipping the night, ergo my flip isn't nearly as big a deal as it would have been under those circumstances.

@all - Copper doesn't need to manipulate and make horrible fallacious and irrational arguments when he's town. When Copper starts looking like a n00b in his first game, that's a huge tell.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

We have no clue what role the lurksack in question has if he happens to be town, which is sometimg town Drixx should point out and you were the first to say your lynch may benefit town, with your little martyr spiel, now I am scum for suggesting the same thing in the position we are in? Time to die.

Peregrine is unlikely to post in time to stop his own lynch, so any info will only be posthumous. Your point falls flat.

Yes, Drixx gave a martyr spiel, and you're pretty keen on forching him to go through with it, and not in a "I don't believe you'd do that, prove it" way.

And of

course

you do. Feeling a lil' desperate now that you're not being a universal townread?

P-EDIT: Yay for proper context arguments!

[Ozgin]

Copper is a smart player. He's betting that nobody will believe he's dumb enough to drive a wagon on me without any real reason. Don't let him off the hook folks.

My flip will read "Town Argyrophilic". I am unsure whether the ability will be explained. The ability is called "Silver Lining" and that should make everything I've said during this day phase make more sense, for anyone paying even a remote amount of attention.

You'll want to look at ActionDan's "example" questioning of me and decide what you think of that. It should now be obvious why I reacted the way I did.

See you all in the dead thread.

We have no clue what role the lurksack in question has if he happens to be town, which is sometimg town Drixx should point out and you were the first to say your lynch may benefit town, with your little martyr spiel, now I am scum for suggesting the same thing in the position we are in? Time to die.

Lurksack is still gonna be a lurksack and need to be lynched later. Scum ain't gonna do it (presuming he's town). You pushing to lynch one of the most active players is just silly. You're also taking my earlier suggestion out of context. In the situation where Lucian was planning to use his dayvig shot and we were going to use the night skip, it seemed like seeing my flip would be super helpful. Those things are no longer the case. Lucian is saving his shot and we're apparently not skipping the night, ergo my flip isn't nearly as big a deal as it would have been under those circumstances.

@all - Copper doesn't need to manipulate and make horrible fallacious and irrational arguments when he's town. When Copper starts looking like a n00b in his first game, that's a huge tell.

With a claim from Drixx, I'm willing to bat back to PV, because we can now get the info from Drixx (Well, we did), AND the policy lynch on a lurker.

VOTE: PV