Mini 1637- Pokemon Generation I uPick (Game Over)

Flames682 · Post Post #1950 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:17 pm

yeah Seo's ISO of day 3 convinced me

VOTE: Seo

Flames682 · Post Post #1951 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:17 pm

Also Boon I swear don't jailkeep me this time.

pieguyn · Post Post #1952 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:28 pm

i don't want to lynch Seo

i still don't get how the way she voted vettrock D3, as well as the way she was completely unaware she didn't have the same ability as NM, make sense coming from scum. i don't particularly think the rest of her play is scummy, either.

@Flames: no thoughts on this?

pieguyn wrote:@Flames: do you make anything of Seo shifting the momentum from Flames to vettrock in 1590?

Flames682 · Post Post #1953 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:38 pm

It does ping as scummy because before, Seo said vett leans town for the "everyone should place down a vote" mindset but then just shifts over to him once he gains a wagon

Flames682 · Post Post #1954 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:39 pm

Also something to note is I was pushing the wagon and Seo sheeped me even though I was a scumread

Flames682 · Post Post #1955 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:41 pm

Sheeped me (a scumread player) on vett (a townread player)

pieguyn · Post Post #1956 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:46 pm

I don't think it's scummy, I think it's town. the thing with this is, if you look at how the wagons were, Seohyun was on your wagon with 3 votes, whereas vettrock's wagon only had 2 votes. I have no idea why Seo-scum would blatantly backtrack on her read on you to bus her partner for pretty much no reason, when you probably could have been lynched otherwise.

don't particularly think she had that huge a town read on vettrock that it's that unusual, either. her last reads list was 1403, where she puts vettrock as her 2nd scum read despite acknowledging some things look town.

it makes a lot more sense as town reevaluating her read on you as opposed to scum backtracking imo

Seohyun · Post Post #1957 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:06 pm

↑ TierShift wrote:two questions for seo:
why did you target me-->pie last night?
During night 2, didn't you think your ability was psychic? Why didn't you use that again?

At that point I was thinking either you or pie were scum so I wanted to keep the redirect to one of you guys.
I thought my ability was named psychic, but I still knew what it did. Thought that the different descriptions of psychic were ability connectors. So, didn't want to waste my ability since I didn't have anyone I was convinced was scum like on N1 and N3.

I was hoping that my redirect actually did something useful so I refrained from saying anything in the beginning of the day

(my target isn't told that they were redirected so I hoped something good would come of it)
But turns out that was probably a bad move

↑ Flames682 wrote:Sheeped me (a scumread player) on vett (a townread player)

It was more of a sheep bert who followed you, but same thing I guess
And I wouldn't really have called vettrock a townread, more of null lean town for the votes thing.

TierShift · Post Post #1958 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:28 pm

I can confirm if seo actually has a redirect, but I'd understand if you guys don't want t go down that path.

TierShift · Post Post #1959 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:28 pm

Wait it's X-shot. Prolly not then

pieguyn · Post Post #1960 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:52 pm

@Boon:

what do you make of Seohyun being completely unaware her role was different than NM's?

pieguyn · Post Post #1961 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:03 pm

actually, here's what I'm wondering.

I don't get what the strongman on NM's role:

↑ pieguyn wrote:Not_Mafia
Starmie - Hydro Pump (1x strongman), Psychic, Recover (ascetic)
N1 Psychic -> neighborhood with BBT/pieguyn

is intended to counter if Boon isn't town. if you go back and look at all the roles, the only other thing that could block a kill would be Esp's limited weak as shit roleblock that probably wouldn't block anything ever, and potentially Seo's redirect, which by itself would be somewhat of a stretch.

not really taking this as a full clear, but eh. /shrug

which just brings me back to thinking it has to be TS via POE again (inb4 he complains about this).

pieguyn · Post Post #1962 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:06 pm

it's not Flames, it's not Bert, I don't think it's Boon, and I doubt it's Seo.

/shrug

is anyone going to give a shit if I explain in full detail specifically why I think TS's play throughout this whole game makes a lot of sense coming from scum? it'll feature him blatantly lying about at least one thing, and nothing about his play from this game day. ~

pieguyn · Post Post #1963 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:08 pm

and to expand on the point re: Boon, jailkeeper is the only role in this game that could be classified as a protect, which is what strongman usually counters. not as strong here bc this was also strong-willed on top of being just a strongman (as in it goes through anything that could stop it, not just protective roles), but meh

pieguyn · Post Post #1964 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:13 pm

so TS

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/ ... I_learnset
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/ ... I_learnset

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mist_%28move%29

Mist protects the user from stat modifications inflicted by the opponent until it switches out. Moves used by the opponent that only cause a stat change, such as Growl or Kinesis, will fail; moves that deal damage and lower an opponent's stat, such as Rock Smash and Psychic, still do damage but do not decrease stats.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Safeguard_(move)

Safeguard prevents the user and its allies from being inflicted with non-volatile status conditions and confusion for five turns, except self-inflicted conditions (including held items). Existing status conditions are not cured by Safeguard and have their effects as normal. It will prevent a Pokémon from being inflicted with Yawn, but will not prevent it from falling asleep due to its effect if it is already active.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/ ... %28move%29

Confuse Ray causes the target to become confused. Confuse Ray will fail if the target has a substitute, is already confused, has the Ability Own Tempo or protected by Safeguard.

could potentially see it as a roleblock whose effects last for more than 1 night?

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/ ... %28move%29

Hypnosis puts the target to sleep.

Hypnosis cannot affect a target that already has a major status ailment.

In Stadium, Hypnosis cannot affect a target that has a substitute.

Hypnosis has an accuracy of 60%.

I'm not claiming to be any good at flavor spec, but I could see either of these being a strong-willed modifier (action can't be blocked/redirected) especially given the first one (Mist) would as far as I could see here directly counter Seo's Hypnosis.

the other thing I'm getting from this is that roles generally don't fit the flavor to a T - Seo's Hypnosis supposedly puts the target to sleep but winds up being a redirect (wat), and Bert's Bonemerang doesn't in any way look like a rolestop (it's a move that damages the target twice), and ofc the discussion with Flames earlier when he first claimed. either way

not interested in discussing this further - I'm not claiming to know for sure what your role is, or saying this is the best possible explanation, or saying there aren't any explanations outside of this. all I'm saying is that you being scum and having all the night actions work the way they did isn't in any way as impossible as you're trying to make it seem. I will be *very* aware if you try and twist this into something it's not.

TierShift · Post Post #1965 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:51 pm

↑ pieguyn wrote:is intended to counter if Boon isn't town. if you go back and look at all the roles, the only other thing that could block a kill would be Esp's limited weak as shit roleblock that probably wouldn't block anything ever, and potentially Seo's redirect, which by itself would be somewhat of a stretch.

not really taking this as a full clear, but eh. /shrug

which just brings me back to thinking it has to be TS via POE again (inb4 he complains about this).

No I actually fully agree

TierShift · Post Post #1966 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 2:54 am

I didn't think about strong-willed. That is a valid explanation, as far as I can see.
I'm glad you finally came forward with this but think that it'd have saved a lot of frustration had you done this earlier

Boonskiies · Post Post #1967 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:05 am

Still here. Should hopefully be able to post more tonight/tomorrow. Have had company over.

Bert · Post Post #1968 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:38 am

Seo I thought you voted Vettrock not to "sheep me," but to make a lynch possible since I told you that the only wagon with potential majority support so close to the deadline was Vettrock's.

Seohyun · Post Post #1969 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:52 pm

↑ Bert wrote:Seo I thought you voted Vettrock not to "sheep me," but to make a lynch possible since I told you that the only wagon with potential majority support so close to the deadline was Vettrock's.

yes, my perferred wagon wasn't going to go so I was willing to follow you onto vettrock
basically a sheep

Seohyun · Post Post #1970 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:54 pm

Said I sheeped you because flames was saying I sheeped him. Cus if I was sheeping anyone, it'd have been you not flames.
the word sheep looks really weird now

Bert · Post Post #1971 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:11 pm

who is your preferred wagon
no ifs ands or buts

TierShift · Post Post #1972 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:20 pm

Spoiler: for mee

nope still no explanation for the strongman :/

Seohyun · Post Post #1973 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:47 pm

@bert
waiting for boonskiies reply before I fully decide. Though the more I think about it, the less likely boonskiies would match up as a partner for nm and vettrock. Still, wanna see what he says.
thinking tiershift should get lynched (probably tomorrow?) so everyone can be sure of his ability description, role madness etc etc. Also, whoever ends up getting NK-ed will be a good indicator too.
a lil paranoid at your bonemerang as it's the only one besides mine that's not confirmable by other people's abilities. Well tiershift too, but since pieguyn is getting the countdown, there's at least something there.

If I had to pick a person right now tho, it'd be probably boonskiies

pieguyn · Post Post #1974 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:55 pm

did anyone here get a scum role PM?

-.-