Mini 1649: Jabberwocky Mafia (Game Over)

[Valkyrie Mollie]

No silly I just want to know which kill flavor precedes which.

[goodmorning]

"I see it now", Alice remarked thoughfully: "and what are 'toves'?"

Votecount 2.2

Belisarius [L-2] - Elbirn, TierShift, T S O, Flubbernugget

Valkyrie Mollie [L-5] - farside22
farside22 [L-5] - Titus

Not Voting [5] - Witness Protection, hi im Yakko, Valkyrie Mollie, Belisarius, FA_Q2

With 11 alive, it takes

6

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2015-03-29 10:00:00).

I can't answer that.

[farside22]

@ tso I explained here
post issues

Maybe someone can ask titus why she is butt fucking elb to lynching me over beli if she believes were both scum together and there is a wagon I beli she's avoiding.

[Titus]

I can read you know.

I kinda always figured it was a loving hug that made Elbrim all better but if you want to call it butt fucking fine.

I like it this way. I can hammerz you know.

If you think Beli is scum, you should bus. :p

[farside22]

I can read you know.

I kinda always figured it was a loving hug that made Elbrim all better but if you want to call it butt fucking fine.

I like it this way. I can hammerz you know.

If you think Beli is scum, you should bus. :p

So you avoid the wagon just to butter up to Elb and produce a vote on me because ??????

You know I'm trying to figure out scum maybe that is why the vote.

So why no interaction with VM there. She had this secrete scum read based on meta you never responded to bac on day one?

[Elbirn]

Elb: if all your going to do is snip out my comments and not read the full quote, don't expect me to be nice after towards you.

Like for example why is titus voting me over beli if you scum read both of us.
Why is vm who scum read titus and promised some meta suddenly not pushing that or showing that scum read.

But hey you want to continue tunneling be my guest you saw where that lead with brantz.

I did not snip out your comment. That was the full quote. You said you supported the wagon, but you didn't join it.

You haven't even voted for anyone yet.

Titus voting you over Beli has nothing to do with this, and even if it did I already asked her about it. Don't deflect.
VM/Titus reaction also has nothing to do with you, maybe you could expand on that however and ask VM yourself instead of, again, trying to deflect.

Bad, I'll stand by the BRantz lynch as being the best option yesterday given the circumstances, and I didn't even tunnel him.

Vote Belisarius, or explain why you're not doing so.

^ This.

K so I was writing this whilst still reading the past page or so, and I apologize, you did vote VM in a previous post. Soo here's where I'm at now. I still see it as odd that you'd say you support a wagon, but stay off of it and not explain why. Maybe it's just semantics and thus a crappy argument so I'll just drop that. But can you expand on your VM + Titus theory plz? I'd really like a stated, clear case, because your position isn't 100% clear to me, all I see is earlier you say you're paranoid because they didn't interact, and something about where they voted that I'm not sure I get.

[Titus]

I can read you know.

I kinda always figured it was a loving hug that made Elbrim all better but if you want to call it butt fucking fine.

I like it this way. I can hammerz you know.

If you think Beli is scum, you should bus. :p

So you avoid the wagon just to butter up to Elb and produce a vote on me because ??????

You know I'm trying to figure out scum maybe that is why the vote.

So why no interaction with VM there. She had this secrete scum read based on meta you never responded to bac on day one?

Cuz I want reaction. Your reaction scummy. I vote you no case. You desperate to have my vote off.

I said "Mollie, you never like me". Lolz. That's a response.

[farside22]

Elb: if all your going to do is snip out my comments and not read the full quote, don't expect me to be nice after towards you.

Like for example why is titus voting me over beli if you scum read both of us.
Why is vm who scum read titus and promised some meta suddenly not pushing that or showing that scum read.

But hey you want to continue tunneling be my guest you saw where that lead with brantz.

I did not snip out your comment. That was the full quote. You said you supported the wagon, but you didn't join it.

You haven't even voted for anyone yet.

Titus voting you over Beli has nothing to do with this, and even if it did I already asked her about it. Don't deflect.
VM/Titus reaction also has nothing to do with you, maybe you could expand on that however and ask VM yourself instead of, again, trying to deflect.

Bad, I'll stand by the BRantz lynch as being the best option yesterday given the circumstances, and I didn't even tunnel him.

Vote Belisarius, or explain why you're not doing so.

^ This.

K so I was writing this whilst still reading the past page or so, and I apologize, you did vote VM in a previous post. Soo here's where I'm at now. I still see it as odd that you'd say you support a wagon, but stay off of it and not explain why. Maybe it's just semantics and thus a crappy argument so I'll just drop that. But can you expand on your VM + Titus theory plz? I'd really like a stated, clear case, because your position isn't 100% clear to me, all I see is earlier you say you're paranoid because they didn't interact, and something about where they voted that I'm not sure I get.

Mollie head stated a scum read on me and titus based on some meta she had about titus as scum.
Titus never reacted or interacted with Mollie based on the accuasation.

Titus has this beli/far scum read but she never explained why she switched her reads on me and still both VM and titus avoid talking to each other but say things about one another.
It was sort of how axel would talk to me and I accused him of double talking about the situation and never taking a stand which read as busy work to help scum VM out.

Those are part of my reason's for why VM scum over beli by the way.

Also Titus just keeps using vague words and allow's beli to lurk it out so there could be more then 3 scum this game based on interaction between the 3.

[farside22]

I'm still just figuring it out between the 3 while titus just snips her way aaround the game

[Titus]

Stop pushing that bullshit line Far.

I said I replied with Mollie never likes me. I am not arguing my own meta when I think meta is worthless.

Also the whole not talking to Mollie is also laughable. Sounds like you are desperate to save you and Beli.

Why haven't you focused on solving him?

[farside22]

Stop pushing that bullshit line Far.

I said I replied with Mollie never likes me. I am not arguing my own meta when I think meta is worthless.

Also the whole not talking to Mollie is also laughable. Sounds like you are desperate to save you and Beli.

Why haven't you focused on solving him?

Why aren't you?

You have the scum read supposedly as both of us and didn't respond to why you switched reads.
So why does mollie defend you if she doesn't like you titus?
Why do you keep avoiding the switch of reads on me?
Why did you defend the meta read on had on you but not against mollie if it shit?

[Titus]

I am solving the game. I think you and/or Beli are scum. Beli wagon took off so I voted you.

Mollie is not defending me.

Mollie's mindfucked due to Hilariously unbalanced.

I do not even get the last question.

How do your actions solve Beli? They just seem focused on creating a cw.

[farside22]

Notes titus still dodging questions and forgets Mollie counter point when I voted titus start of day 1 noted.

Notes sudden either or with no explaination.

Scum titus confirmed

Vote: beli

Put your money where your mouth is titus.

[Elbirn]

Titus, can you tell us where your Far scumread came from? Again, my reading of Day 1 shows that you townread her. What changed?

[Titus]

My hugs. My hugs. My lovely lady hugs.

[Titus]

Oh intent to hammer.

[farside22]

Titus, can you tell us where your Far scumread came from? Again, my reading of Day 1 shows that you townread her. What changed?

She'll never explain and she had no interested in figuring out Beli, that much is fact.

[FA_Q2]

Notes titus still dodging questions and forgets Mollie counter point when I voted titus start of day 1 noted.

Notes sudden either or with no explaination.

Scum titus confirmed

Vote: beli

Put your money where your mouth is titus.

Let me get this straight, you scum read titus and VM but not beli and then vote for beli based on the fact titus keeps pushing you for it? That makes absolutely zero sense.

FoS far for this.

[FA_Q2]

Vote Belisarius, or explain why you're not doing so.

I would assume that this is for everyone:

I explained already - I don't see the case for beli scum with the town flip.

[Titus]

Titus, can you tell us where your Far scumread came from? Again, my reading of Day 1 shows that you townread her. What changed?

She'll never explain and she had no interested in figuring out Beli, that much is fact.

I literally just told you. No hugs for you.

[FA_Q2]

will do ISO reads with axle and tell you guys what I think

This is problematic though. Considering that axle likely knew he was going to die then I would venture a guess that he would have been interacting with that very thought in his mind.

Pretty much anytime I look at his posts it becomes a giant befuddled WIFOM. I am not sure we can draw anything concrete from his posts.

I disagree. Scum always try to muddy up associative tells, but part of why they work despite that, is because scum isn't very good at muddying them up and that they're quite strong tells.

I thought I saw dissonance between your way of looking at axle for associatives and your actual associatives with him.

I don't understand what this means. What exactly do you think you saw?

I saw you suggesting he was a good vig target as distancing and a possible attempt to waste a town kill. However it is more likely that you share my sentiments of how apathetic his posting can make a game.

Then where is the dissonance you are talking about?

Mollie, you never like me.

Tier seems to know a lot about a suicidal role that the mod is conviently unable to clarify.

If I were scum, I'd 100% not share what the role was, know that. I hang around a lot in the "Open setup ideas and discussion thread" and I've seen the modifier come by a few times. It always meant what I described it as.

Again I know literally none of you agree with me, but Team Scum totally didn't expect an Axle death N1. Which would throw their plans out of whack. Telling us not to look at our only conf-scum for evidence strikes me as odd as well...

What the f do you think the suicidal modifier means? For real, it's obvious that he suicided.

It does because if Flubber knew that Axle would die...at some point.. then claiming Axle should be vigged is excellent play. It establishes a scumread preflip.

No, flub did not express a scumread. He expressed exactly what I expressed: an extreme disgust with axle's posting style, which is a complete liability to town.

Why was axle's posting style 'extremely' disgusting? I don't remember any disgust over it - just the sentiment that he was hard to read.


The suicidal modifier is not accompanied with the triggers for that suicide. That means it could have been voluntary (like giving them information on town PR's or gaining a PR for their team) or involuntary (such as death if the night kill is prevented). We simply do not know.

I was also not stating that we should not look at his posts but that they are generating a whole lot of WIFOM thought making analysis rather difficult for me. I don't get anything useful as of this point because I am operating under the idea that he knew, at the very least, he was going to die at some point and might have even known it was going to be day one.

[farside22]

Notes titus still dodging questions and forgets Mollie counter point when I voted titus start of day 1 noted.

Notes sudden either or with no explaination.

Scum titus confirmed

Vote: beli

Put your money where your mouth is titus.

Let me get this straight, you scum read titus and VM but not beli and then vote for beli based on the fact titus keeps pushing you for it? That makes absolutely zero sense.

FoS far for this.

Titus is pushing one read over the other for no reason.
Scum together is my theory

But how is axel flip give beli town points....at all

[Titus]

Nope. I want reactions based on my hugs.

[Titus]

FAQ2 if one condition, lookat my hugs again. My hugs.

[FA_Q2]

FAQ2 if one condition, lookat my hugs again. My hugs.

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I am a rather straightforward guy. If you are not straight forward then I am not going to understand what you are getting at.