Mini 1649: Jabberwocky Mafia (Game Over)

[farside22]

Sorry not titus, tier is starting to be a scum read.

[FA_Q2]

Why ter?

[FA_Q2]

Beli should still die.

No one cares what scum TSO wants to lynch. Vote me since you cant support your own lynch.

[pirate mollie]

On phone. far is confscum. That is all.

Not this again. Conf scum means something - TSO threw this kind of crap around and see where that went - pages lost and PR roles outed.

Where is the case? There has not been any cases built around people's lynch decisions for almost this entire day. MV STILL wants to lynch me really bad even though she has not bothered to point out a single scum post yet. Here you are on farside stating confirmed scum without any clarification. Titus wants to lynch me because of setup speculation. SETUP SPECULATION after she has been incorrect in absolutely every single detail she was 'sure of' thus far. I don't think I have ever seen anyone in mafia get so much incorrect in so short a time. TSO is the only clearly scummy player IMHO with his half assed backtracking. A case that you even pointed out above and now you are focusing on far! Nothing is making sense at all at this point and this is getting old very quickly.

we want to lynch you to prove your role what exactly is the problem here

Frustration. It was a rant - sue me.

You have been angling for me most of the game without a case - I did not support that but I DO support lynching me to confirm my role (and other townies) that you are going for now. Titus does not want me lynched (I used the wrong terminology there) - he wanted me vigged. That only confirms my role in so far as I will flip - much less useful. I am simply getting tired of these 'conf. scum' one liners and all this talk without real hunting or cases being presented. I am fine with the plan to lynch me - as I said I will hammer as soon as you get me to L-1. Or TSO - I am more than willing to see TSO to the gallows.

you are self-voting at this time so you can't exactly hammer yourself now can you.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

On phone. far is confscum. That is all.

Not this again. Conf scum means something - TSO threw this kind of crap around and see where that went - pages lost and PR roles outed.

Where is the case? There has not been any cases built around people's lynch decisions for almost this entire day. MV STILL wants to lynch me really bad even though she has not bothered to point out a single scum post yet. Here you are on farside stating confirmed scum without any clarification. Titus wants to lynch me because of setup speculation. SETUP SPECULATION after she has been incorrect in absolutely every single detail she was 'sure of' thus far. I don't think I have ever seen anyone in mafia get so much incorrect in so short a time. TSO is the only clearly scummy player IMHO with his half assed backtracking. A case that you even pointed out above and now you are focusing on far! Nothing is making sense at all at this point and this is getting old very quickly.

we want to lynch you to prove your role what exactly is the problem here

Frustration. It was a rant - sue me.

You have been angling for me most of the game without a case - I did not support that but I DO support lynching me to confirm my role (and other townies) that you are going for now. Titus does not want me lynched (I used the wrong terminology there) - he wanted me vigged. That only confirms my role in so far as I will flip - much less useful. I am simply getting tired of these 'conf. scum' one liners and all this talk without real hunting or cases being presented. I am fine with the plan to lynch me - as I said I will hammer as soon as you get me to L-1. Or TSO - I am more than willing to see TSO to the gallows.

you are self-voting at this time so you can't exactly hammer yourself now can you.

sorry

[farside22]

Tier is more about gut and some of things that he said day one and how he's posted today that just read as fake

[Valkyrie Mollie]

So summarize your current scumreads for me.

[Flubbernugget]

Tier is more about gut and some of things that he said day one and how he's posted today that just read as fake

I call bullshit

[farside22]

So summarize your current scumreads for me.

Tso
Yakko
Tier

[FA_Q2]

On phone. far is confscum. That is all.

Not this again. Conf scum means something - TSO threw this kind of crap around and see where that went - pages lost and PR roles outed.

Where is the case? There has not been any cases built around people's lynch decisions for almost this entire day. MV STILL wants to lynch me really bad even though she has not bothered to point out a single scum post yet. Here you are on farside stating confirmed scum without any clarification. Titus wants to lynch me because of setup speculation. SETUP SPECULATION after she has been incorrect in absolutely every single detail she was 'sure of' thus far. I don't think I have ever seen anyone in mafia get so much incorrect in so short a time. TSO is the only clearly scummy player IMHO with his half assed backtracking. A case that you even pointed out above and now you are focusing on far! Nothing is making sense at all at this point and this is getting old very quickly.

we want to lynch you to prove your role what exactly is the problem here

Frustration. It was a rant - sue me.

You have been angling for me most of the game without a case - I did not support that but I DO support lynching me to confirm my role (and other townies) that you are going for now. Titus does not want me lynched (I used the wrong terminology there) - he wanted me vigged. That only confirms my role in so far as I will flip - much less useful. I am simply getting tired of these 'conf. scum' one liners and all this talk without real hunting or cases being presented. I am fine with the plan to lynch me - as I said I will hammer as soon as you get me to L-1. Or TSO - I am more than willing to see TSO to the gallows.

you are self-voting at this time so you can't exactly hammer yourself now can you.

Weird other poster who is not in this game - look at 1038 - I am voting TSO. I will come back to me when we manage to get me to l-1.

[farside22]

Faq gave me a ping but his posting and frustration is exactly how I feel about and in this game so I'll say town there.

[farside22]

Tier is more about gut and some of things that he said day one and how he's posted today that just read as fake

I call bullshit

Yea?
Well I've fought with tier more games then not. This is not the fighting, figuring things out that gets offend at being called scum town tier.
That is the person I don't see so there is my scum read reasoning/ gut.

[Elbirn]

K so hi I'm done work and at a computer so I can actually contribute now.

@ elby

hi elby hi.

I am not taking orders from you so plz don't presume to try to give them to me again. you being targeted for a nk means that scum are idiots and unfamiliar with the playerlist. here is a fun excercise: go look at d1 and who you were suspecting and try to figure out as to why you wld be nked. there you go thatsa good boy. fetch

Okay so I think we covered the part where I was in a bad mood and interpreted this as being rude to me, and was pretty awful in turn. Again, I apologize for escalating that. That wasn't cool. IRL I sometimes have a bit of a temper, I'm usually good at keeping it in check but sometimes it comes out online because it's easier to be mean to words than it is to people. I really want to get along with ye good people of mafiascum, and want to be someone that people enjoy playing with, because I want to play with enjoyable people myself. So again, I'm sorry.

I do want to say that I'm not "giving orders". I mean for starters I asked, not demanded, and if we're both town it would seem to make sense to either cooperate or explain why you think it would not be a good idea to do so. I wanted to ask for peoples flavor, in addition to the massclaim that was practically going on, because frankly that would be very useful imo. Basically I think that with all of the flavors out in the open we can determine who is scum making up rolenames. Which Far is. But again, more later.

But reading this you did actually ask something of me. I've already answered previous to this post, but I'll say it again. Yesterday I had scumteam pegged as Brantz/Belisarius/Farside, with a dash of Seraphim (now FAQ2) for taste. As I was NK target, does that give my scumreads yesterday a bit more credibility in your opinion, or no?

Flubber, I'm curious. Why did you pass the sword to Mollie N1?

Lucky guess.

I can sense your distrust in me.

Why do you assume that I don't trust you? I just wanted to know why you picked Mollie.
Also, @everyone I suppose, how does Mollie having the sword = Mollie isn't scum? We don't necessarily know that, do we? We don't know that scum having sword = the earth opens up and swallows us whole.

[Elbirn]

Elb: not sure why you are asking for a full claim but whatever.

Celebratory Citizen - VT

are you scum, far?

Nope.

Claiming as asked for a vt claim, I just copied from my role pm and saw my role is already out there from the mod sample.
Hence the this is stupid to ask remark towards elb

And this is why I wanted Far to flavor claim. This is pretty obviously fake.

I'm Vanilla town. I am the Slithy Tove.
Mollie claimed Mimsy Borogove (would have been [hopefully] Vanilla Town before becoming vig).
BRantz was Vanilla Town, and flipped with the flavor of Mome Rath.

See the pattern? It's all subjects taken from the poem. Farside had to claim Vanilla Town or one of the obvious scum roles, because everything else was taken and she didn't want to counter claim someone elses. So she had to take the example from opening post. Poem copy/pasted below. There is no celebratory citizen. Even if we can extrapolate that there are implied celebratory peoples at the death of the Jabberwock, I really don't think GM would have included her example role pm. The fact that she goes off about "lul all the vanillas were celebratory citizens right guizzzee?" also strikes me as very fake, especially when we already had a vanilla town flip with a different flavor. I would believe duplicates of Toves/Borogoves/Raths for the vanilla towns before I would believe that there's a "celebratory citizen".

This is a fake claim. Farside is scum.

'Twas brillig, and the

slithy toves

Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All

mimsy

were the

borogoves

,
And the

mome raths

outgrabe.

"Beware the

Jabberwock

, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the

Jubjub bird

, and shun
The frumious

Bandersnatch

!"

He took his

vorpal sword

in hand:
Long time the

manxome foe

(?) he sought—
So rested he by the

Tumtum tree

,
And stood awhile in thought.

And as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the

tulgey wood

(?),
And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! and through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.

"And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my

beamish boy

!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
He chortled in his joy.

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

dear elby,

we are beyond obvstown.
I am sorry you felt like i was rude to you.
I felt like you were rude to us.
we take orders from no1.

put us as town and work from there.

okay so you were sus of beli and far.

sounds good.

we want to lynch faq2 in order
to prove his ability in which is only
activated according to him
if the vorpal sword is in town's
hands.

I agree with this plan.
what do you think of it?

love,
mollie

[hi im Yakko]

Nah I already know the PRs. All Beli claiming will do is cause more chaos.

hmmmmmmmmm

There is no claim safe for Beli. That is why he will not claim.

@Far, I have answered you just not directly. It's best I do not.

Domo arigatou. I needed that laugh. My success rate claiming a non-safe PR as scum is 100%. My success rate for claiming VT as scum is 0%.

is this true? If it is true then not claiming to keep that statistic valid is lolzorz. (is that what you are doing?)

He's only at L minus 3 because of people wanting discussion.

He should have claimed when I did intent to hammer. Unless town has 4 plus PRs, all the actual PRs have claimed.

this is true and I support this.

[hi im Yakko]

Well shit.

Elbrin's still fucking town.

I'm the doctor and I HEALED Elbrin.

That's why I buddied him and I wanted to follow his scumreads. That's because scum wanted to fucking kill him.

UNVOTE:
I think I recall the rb comment you made early on and that elbrin was town didn't make sense then sort of makes sense now. I'm willing to buy you're doc.

[hi im Yakko]

Do you know who passed you the sword?

Nope.

Oh btw this passing thing runs on probability. I need to submit a list of 3 names.

that is actually a really cool mechanic. @Mod nice job their.

Read everything.
Something's cleared out with all the back and forth.

Not voting beli that is for sure.

Vm maybe 3rd party since they claimed a town read on axel day 1, but I'm not going to chase the rabbit today.

Yakko is probably scum this game that many people keep allowing to do nothing

I'm just going to go there.

Vote: yakko

If tso has a guilty I want that confirmed by tso.
I doubt he does.

you are wrong. that is all. (in regards to me).

[Elbirn]

Town conditional lynch proof.

I believe that

my "condition" is the vorpol sword must not be in the wrong hands. I assume this goes away when scum get the sword. I may even die immediately if they aquire it.

VOTE: FA_Q2

Conditional lynchproof as long as the vorpol sword is in the right hands. This lynch will prove my town status even if you are wasting a lynch with it.

How did we go from "I THINK my condition is", to "Yeah this is my condition".

What does your role PM say, FAQ2?

[hi im Yakko]

so from axle dying I assume that flubb was the one that killed him. based on pg38. flubb is this true? After targeting did you choose to the three people as Vmollie says?

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Twice? Why?

I just want to point this out cos him asking "why" does not fit with a consecutive lynchproof claim.

also I wld like flubby to answer yakko's question even tho I think flubby is town.

[hi im Yakko]

FAQ should be vigged if Far or Beli is town.

VM, have you ever considered that you are offbase? Elbrin was obvious town. That is why I healed him. You missed obvious doc crumbs that were obvious to everyone else. Scum thought he was a good shot. So why did they? Beli or Far is likely scum.

or we can just confirm town. VOTE: faq2

So yeah if tso indeed have guilty, with my plan the game ends no longer than day 4.

I'm slow can you explain it or nah?

[hi im Yakko]

I. Am. Not. A. Cop.

I. Have. No. Guilty.
I. Have. No. Result.

Then why did you not fucking say so? You were hard claiming a guilty.

Most people with faced with stop softing cop admit or revoke.

You can be policy lynched TSO if you do not have one hell of an explanation.

lolque? I second Titus request.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I. Am. Not. A. Cop.

I. Have. No. Guilty.
I. Have. No. Result.

Then why did you not fucking say so? You were hard claiming a guilty.

Most people with faced with stop softing cop admit or revoke.

You can be policy lynched TSO if you do not have one hell of an explanation.

lolque? I second Titus request.

I sort of addressed this ages ago

[hi im Yakko]

also Vmollie 1071 thats a huge never mind now.