Mini 1649: Jabberwocky Mafia (Game Over)

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Anyway, I ask you agian.

Would you vig a cop?

[Titus]

If we count faq2 as scum, then we have a modified vig (utility) that can grant scum a double kill if poorly used, doctor (protective), and... that's it.

You forget you have not forced Beli to claim.

The sword is immediately leashed upon town being aware of it. It's a double lynch regardless of who has it.

[Titus]

I also would vig a cop if I had enough conftown.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Oh if you're ever wondering about "but we're gonna lynch a lynchproof and cause no lynch and scum can roleblock you at night", then I can guarantee that won't be happening since the vig is activated in a day.

[Titus]

Then there's no way that FAQ can be a cop role.

The game devolves into follow the cop.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

He's only conditional so that makes him a weak cop.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

(+ wasting a lynch for a cop report. Sounds balanced enough to me.)

[Valkyrie Mollie]

So anyway, even if we don't get to use faq2's power to test it I object vigging him until something else happens that proves him scum.

[Titus]

Fine I guess we will compromise on not vigging him but if we hit lylo and you both are still alive, I am lynching you. Period.

[Titus]

Now vote Beli to force him to finish this massclaim.

[Elbirn]

Yeah I'm 100% not on board with lynching FAQ2. I don't want to waste 2 lynches on what could be some bad scum gambit.

Pros:
-FAQ2 might not be lying, and he might have a correct interpretation of his hella ambiguous role, and this might conftown him and/or VM. Maybe. (In case you couldn't tell by the amount of wishywashiness here, I don't buy this)

Cons:
-We waste a lynch
-Every time we lynch FAQ2 for a pseudo-cop result, we are wasting *another* lynch and risking team scum getting the vorpal blade. As in, if we ever even get a "guilty" (FAQ dying to lynch), it means scum has the blade, and who knows what kind of bullshit that's going to get us into.

Imo the right play here is to...

1. Ensure the blade remains in the hands of town. So far we know that Flubber, Titus, and myself are town. Titus probably dies tonight, being the doctor. Soz Titus. VM is probably town(?) but can't pass to him/her/themself. I think Tier is town based on axl's wagoning him, but idk if anyone agreed with me on that.

Ideal sword passing = Flubber/Tier/Me as candidates?

2. Lynch Beli/Far/TSO. Pick one. I don't even care anymore. I want blood at this point.

-I see scum Beli from the game I played with him (not to mention he practically scum claimed when he said I was "taking credit" for pointing out him dropping false associatives).

-Far is lying about her flavor role when it's pretty clear that all Vanilla towns were Toves/Borogoves/Raths, probably 2 of each, and then she comes out with "lul celebratory citizen". (Like seriously if that's not a lie I will write you a 400 word apology straight to your inbox, and on my way there I will kick GoodMorning in the shin).

-And TSO, (though perhaps not wholly at fault here, cuz Titus was pushing the whole thing), when faced with "Claim cop or stfu", did neither, making ambiguous statements that could have been taken either way.

[TierShift]

I don't see much scum motivation in TSO's play.
I think me you and flub and maybe titus are ideal candidates for the gun. Don't narrow it down further, or the swordbearer might be NK'd and the sword lost.

[Titus]

I agree I likely die.

Mod: What happens if the person carrying the sword dies?

Btw, Beli is at L minus 1 and still has not claimed.

[Flubbernugget]

I don't see much scum motivation in TSO's play.
I think me you and flub and maybe titus are ideal candidates for the gun. Don't narrow it down further, or the swordbearer might be NK'd and the sword lost.

Vm is going to have to select three candidates

[farside22]

Yeah I'm 100% not on board with lynching FAQ2. I don't want to waste 2 lynches on what could be some bad scum gambit.

Pros:
-FAQ2 might not be lying, and he might have a correct interpretation of his hella ambiguous role, and this might conftown him and/or VM. Maybe. (In case you couldn't tell by the amount of wishywashiness here, I don't buy this)

Cons:
-We waste a lynch
-Every time we lynch FAQ2 for a pseudo-cop result, we are wasting *another* lynch and risking team scum getting the vorpal blade. As in, if we ever even get a "guilty" (FAQ dying to lynch), it means scum has the blade, and who knows what kind of bullshit that's going to get us into.

Imo the right play here is to...

1. Ensure the blade remains in the hands of town. So far we know that Flubber, Titus, and myself are town. Titus probably dies tonight, being the doctor. Soz Titus. VM is probably town(?) but can't pass to him/her/themself. I think Tier is town based on axl's wagoning him, but idk if anyone agreed with me on that.

Ideal sword passing = Flubber/Tier/Me as candidates?

2. Lynch Beli/Far/TSO. Pick one. I don't even care anymore. I want blood at this point.

-I see scum Beli from the game I played with him (not to mention he practically scum claimed when he said I was "taking credit" for pointing out him dropping false associatives).

-Far is lying about her flavor role when it's pretty clear that all Vanilla towns were Toves/Borogoves/Raths, probably 2 of each, and then she comes out with "lul celebratory citizen". (Like seriously if that's not a lie I will write you a 400 word apology straight to your inbox, and on my way there I will kick GoodMorning in the shin).

-And TSO, (though perhaps not wholly at fault here, cuz Titus was pushing the whole thing), when faced with "Claim cop or stfu", did neither, making ambiguous statements that could have been taken either way.

I want that apology and I agree with kicking gm in the shin.
When you write the apology can you add to it I will stop tunneling people based on stupid theory in the letter too.
<3

Tier, tso and yakko are my top 3 but do as you always do.

[farside22]

And since no one cares for my oppinion and if beli is at l1.
Intend to hammer beli please claim.

[Titus]

Farside, really? You made a big deal about me not answering you and now you won't even acknowledge Elbrin as confirmed town?

[Titus]

Since Vig is triggered during the day, VM should announce the three sword candidates in thread before hammer.

[Elbirn]

I think she meant top 3 for lynching.

Also Far, if you're town you will get an apology letter, pinky pwomise.

Also while I'm fluffposting I miss Witness Protection. I feel like I haven't seen him in weeks.

[farside22]

Farside, really? You made a big deal about me not answering you and now you won't even acknowledge Elbrin as confirmed town?

Oh I think he is town. I think you are town. I think VM is town. I think flubber is town. I have beli as a light town read and I think the reason the wagon started was more because of you and Elb.
I just ignore you 2 since you think scum killed him for his reads instead of being obvious town. I think WP is town. I know I am town. Therefore it is more POE for me then anything.
And just an fyi I have done that as scum as well.

I was listing scum reads.

I think she meant top 3 for lynching.

Also Far, if you're town you will get an apology letter, pinky pwomise.

Also while I'm fluffposting I miss Witness Protection. I feel like I haven't seen him in weeks.

FYI: I will stalk you till you send that letter.

I miss WP too.

[Witness Protection]

Sorry all, a multitude of Meat World cares has been stealing most of my time.

With all this claiming going on, I'm getting confused. I know what my Role PM says, and what I'm capable of. It makes sense from Jabberwocky, but it clashes with some claims.

I'm not Vanilla.

[Titus]

WP, we are massclaiming. Fully claim please.

[Witness Protection]

I don't know if this makes me want to lynch WP or not, either.

I'd like to hear a little more on this, because I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Witness Protection]

@ Titus That's a little hard, I have NO NAME, but I can use the Vorpal Sword. That's pretty much it.

[Titus]

WP, we are massclaiming. Fully claim please.

/tenchar

If you're not a VT, then you have to be a PR. You are arguing both ways. That is unless you can use the sword to do more than kill?