We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[BBmolla]

I'm not absolutely sure that it was 2 mafia factions considering the eviscerate kill flavor could be an SK. Assuming that incinerate is volcano flavor.

Also clearly no doctors or else they're bad.

Is it normal for doctors to protect from all nightkills?

[Titus]

Or there is no SK at all. The mod entrance implies no sk.

@BBMolla, I don't think so. Docs usually heal one kill.

[BBmolla]

BRantz might as well just use his ability now so he doesn't fuck up votecounts imo

[Titus]

Agreed.

[BBmolla]

If there is a Werewolf, it's a singular entity

Huh?

Why do you say this

[LucianRoy]

1. Scum can't coordinate the kills and are probably against each other, based on what Drixx said I assume with have werewolves and a second faction, I assume mafia goven the usual factions, werewolves probably eviscerate.

One of the stupidest things I ever did as scum was try to kill all the other scum. If anything, they'd wreck us by working together, and duke it out in the end.
That implies, the game would still continue for the scum even if our town numbers have equalized or dropped below the net-scum amount. Only one faction can be the victor, correct?

2. The Marquis kill is optimal for both scumfactions independent of the neighbourhood alignments, as long as scum assumes he is town, because a check on Cerberus either confirms 3 townies or wrecks 1 of the teams, if we want to play outguess the mod, the fact there was a neighborhood coo, I hope Marquis accurately described his role unlike Jackel, indicates scum might be in a neighborhood, Cerberus woth his refusal to claim and woth the pocket on ChriVi by calling them confirmed town, is a good place to start.

Which is why I think both mafia factions made the same kill.

3. We should think sbout testing BRantz's claim.

You want him to step out again? He said he do that multiple times...
I'd almost read him scum if he just up and left without helping out.

4. VCA when I have time.

It should help substantiate where we should begin placing our votes, but we shouldn't rely entirely on it.
It might reveal something, it might not.

[BBmolla]

AD clarify with mods that "Werewolves" would not qualify as a Mafia faction.

[LucianRoy]

pedit: I don't like that logic Lucian. For an SK to decide not to kill would require them to think that they are "safe" in a long game. With the amount of suspicion that has been thrown around on different people this game I would be surprised if anyone felt that safe.

That's why it was a strong "might."

But then you'd probably be just concluding that there either is no Sk in this game, or the Sk was just roleblocked, correct?
I'd strongly assume that there have to be

some

third party in this game, and I bet you do to, so, do you find it most likely there was a successful roleblock/protection?

[Titus]

Lucian, vote scum. That's where the votes should go. Without a scum flip, vca does not do much.

[LucianRoy]

Aww man, I didn't get to use my ability. haha.

Wait, were you roleblocked?

[Narninian]

I'm really torn on doing this but I think it will probably help town more than scum to reveal this;

I am a kill re director; Last night I chose somebody to have the first kill attempt on them go to another target (of my choice) -- this doesn't work if the new target is source of the kill. (my understanding is if its mafia, anybody in that mafia team, not just the person actually performing the kill)

I targeted BBMolla and redirected it to Marquis. Basically if I chose scum there was a chance it would fail, and I was hoping Marquis would be protected, its possible he *WAS* protected and my redirect is what killed him.... sorry. thinking about it now, if I had targeted somebody I thought was scummy and it failed, then I had a probably confirmed scum so I shouldn't have done it that way.

[Toon Fighter]

@All
I am going off the assumption that new kid around the block is the mod flavour for the role Marquis described, I will flip town facebooker, that doesn't tell you what I do.

what does that role actually?

[Titus]

I'm really torn on doing this but I think it will probably help town more than scum to reveal this;

I am a kill re director; Last night I chose somebody to have the first kill attempt on them go to another target (of my choice) -- this doesn't work if the new target is source of the kill. (my understanding is if its mafia, anybody in that mafia team, not just the person actually performing the kill)

I targeted BBMolla and redirected it to Marquis. Basically if I chose scum there was a chance it would fail, and I was hoping Marquis would be protected, its possible he *WAS* protected and my redirect is what killed him.... sorry. thinking about it now, if I had targeted somebody I thought was scummy and it failed, then I had a probably confirmed scum so I shouldn't have done it that way.

Hmm so that leaves open BBMolla could have been killed. It saved a body at least.

Can you redirect off yourself?

[BBmolla]

I'm really torn on doing this but I think it will probably help town more than scum to reveal this;

I am a kill re director; Last night I chose somebody to have the first kill attempt on them go to another target (of my choice) -- this doesn't work if the new target is source of the kill. (my understanding is if its mafia, anybody in that mafia team, not just the person actually performing the kill)

I targeted BBMolla and redirected it to Marquis. Basically if I chose scum there was a chance it would fail, and I was hoping Marquis would be protected, its possible he *WAS* protected and my redirect is what killed him.... sorry. thinking about it now, if I had targeted somebody I thought was scummy and it failed, then I had a probably confirmed scum so I shouldn't have done it that way.

That's... wierd

[BBmolla]

Like, why not redirect it to someone scummy? Why redirect it to the neighborhood cop .-.

[LucianRoy]

Lucian, vote scum. That's where the votes should go. Without a scum flip, vca does not do much.

That's the name o' the game, and that's what I'm tryin' to do here.
Copper wants to do a VCA today, so I'm not stopping him, but what could we potentially learn from it? I guess looking at the wagons Marquis was on is kind of a decent place to start, but the VCA's would be better if a mafioso had died.

[BBmolla]

Or hell, redirect it to one of the bulletproofs

[Titus]

I'm really torn on doing this but I think it will probably help town more than scum to reveal this;

I am a kill re director; Last night I chose somebody to have the first kill attempt on them go to another target (of my choice) -- this doesn't work if the new target is source of the kill. (my understanding is if its mafia, anybody in that mafia team, not just the person actually performing the kill)

I targeted BBMolla and redirected it to Marquis. Basically if I chose scum there was a chance it would fail, and I was hoping Marquis would be protected, its possible he *WAS* protected and my redirect is what killed him.... sorry. thinking about it now, if I had targeted somebody I thought was scummy and it failed, then I had a probably confirmed scum so I shouldn't have done it that way.

That's... wierd

Does your rolecard say kill redirector?

[LucianRoy]

I'm really torn on doing this but I think it will probably help town more than scum to reveal this;

I am a kill re director; Last night I chose somebody to have the first kill attempt on them go to another target (of my choice) -- this doesn't work if the new target is source of the kill. (my understanding is if its mafia, anybody in that mafia team, not just the person actually performing the kill)

I targeted BBMolla and redirected it to Marquis. Basically if I chose scum there was a chance it would fail, and I was hoping Marquis would be protected, its possible he *WAS* protected and my redirect is what killed him.... sorry. thinking about it now, if I had targeted somebody I thought was scummy and it failed, then I had a probably confirmed scum so I shouldn't have done it that way.

Hot dang... this makes things only more complicated.
Scratch everything about scum making the same kill.

The volcano dudes probably went for Marquis, and you saved a potential town death by having it aimed at the same slot.

That's what I'm hoping you intended, correct?

Or did you scumread Marquis?

[Titus]

Why do you suppose the volcano dudes went after Marwuis?

[LucianRoy]

Whoops, that last post didn't even have coherent thoughts.

"The volcano faction probably went for their opposing cop, and you saved a potential town death by re-directing a kill on Molla to the same slot of Marquis."

[Titus]

I'm having InuYasha flashbacks..

[Narninian]

I'm really torn on doing this but I think it will probably help town more than scum to reveal this;

I am a kill re director; Last night I chose somebody to have the first kill attempt on them go to another target (of my choice) -- this doesn't work if the new target is source of the kill. (my understanding is if its mafia, anybody in that mafia team, not just the person actually performing the kill)

I targeted BBMolla and redirected it to Marquis. Basically if I chose scum there was a chance it would fail, and I was hoping Marquis would be protected, its possible he *WAS* protected and my redirect is what killed him.... sorry. thinking about it now, if I had targeted somebody I thought was scummy and it failed, then I had a probably confirmed scum so I shouldn't have done it that way.

Hmm so that leaves open BBMolla could have been killed. It saved a body at least.

Can you redirect off yourself?

I think I'm better off not revealing any further info on my role right now(how many uses, whether I can use it on myself, etc..) unless you think we should be discussing how I might use it again with scum eavesdropping. We could probably set something up to confirm me and/or a vigilante but I'm not sure that's the best use of it.

Summarize what I *have* revealed:

Last night I redirected the first kill from BBMolla to Marquis (who died. Could be coincidence as I don't get feedback on whether I succeeded)
My redirect doesn't work if the new target is the source of the kill (including mafia partners that didn't actually perform the kill)

I figured since there was discussion forming on why both scum parties might have targetted marquis I should bring it up.

[LucianRoy]

Why do you suppose the volcano dudes went after Marwuis?

Oh wait, was Molla the one to claim they knew the name of a scum faction?
Or was that Ice?
Or was that someone else entirely?

[vonflare]

only one kill?

did anyone roleblock anyone?

maybe everyone should hypoclaim roleblocker, and who they wouldve roleblocked if they were a RBer?