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[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

That implies, the game would still continue for the scum even if our town numbers have equalized or dropped below the net-scum amount. Only one faction can be the victor, correct?

...Duh.

I'm really torn on doing this but I think it will probably help town more than scum to reveal this;

I am a kill re director; Last night I chose somebody to have the first kill attempt on them go to another target (of my choice) -- this doesn't work if the new target is source of the kill. (my understanding is if its mafia, anybody in that mafia team, not just the person actually performing the kill)

I targeted BBMolla and redirected it to Marquis. Basically if I chose scum there was a chance it would fail, and I was hoping Marquis would be protected, its possible he *WAS* protected and my redirect is what killed him.... sorry. thinking about it now, if I had targeted somebody I thought was scummy and it failed, then I had a probably confirmed scum so I shouldn't have done it that way.

So...If I'm understanding you correctly, you took a kill that was going on BB, and

redirected it to Marquis?!

...I...That just sounds too stupid to be town. The info is nice, but,

really?!

"The volcano faction probably went for their opposing cop, and you saved a potential town death by re-directing a kill on Molla to the same slot of Marquis."

But there's still the problem of

redirecting a kill to the fucking neighbor daycop

. It makes no town sense to redirect a kill to the one person that's likely to eat a bullet anyways (I personally figured TPTG or cerb would bite it first, but I guess scum either don't believe TPTG or don't think he nor Toon are strong enough in this game to be worth killing for now; in which case Marquis was target #1).

Yeah, saving BB (or anyone else) is nice, but this feels too sketchy a play.

only one kill?

did anyone roleblock anyone?

maybe everyone should hypoclaim roleblocker, and who they wouldve roleblocked if they were a RBer?

When can we fucking burn/freeze this shit away?

THIS! So much this! If you had redirected onto me, then if it was Eviscerate, it would have fizzled due to my immunity to werewolf kills (How on EARTH is Copper the only one who realized what "Silver lining" meant?).

Actually,

I

(Ivy) did too (I mentioned that you might've left a hint in your name claim), but I didn't want to bring it up until after you did.

Even so, I agree with this agreement.

@CerberusYour campaing of misinformation is noted and I don't like it one bit, you are going as far as insinuating it's possible you yourself are scum, which is completely anti-town.

Actually, the suggestion in and of itself is not scummy. It's the motivations behind suggesting it that are possibly muddy.

On thinking about it some more, I don't really see how beneficial such a suggestion would be to cerb-scum. It places too much unwanted doubt onto his claim if enough people seriously believe the possibility, and while he may have the 100% support of ChriVi that's still not much against the rest of the players.

, bless his soul, is clearly a new player learning the ropes and if he had told us about his full role,

...

No, Jackel was just a fucking idiot. He's not a newbie.

Also, I 100% approve of Bulb's vote. Everybody should join the commonwealth in this profitable adventure! We have free monocles and tophats!

-Ivysaur (both this and the above catchup are mine)

P-EDIT: Like I said, it seems like a reasonable extension of the role based on what was given by Marquis and the name of the role: You're the new kid, and you wanna join a/the local group of friends, but you gotta kinda scout them out first to see if they're the group you wanna hang with. Something like that.

However, Reading back through the NMI ISO, it seems that I thought he mentioned that he could join the neighborhood, but he actually did not.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

@Bulbasaur: Jackel DID claim plain vanilla tracker. 1553 1569 1599. He did hint Public Tracker in 1689 but never actually admitted it. So with all the evidence in your face, are you still saying as town investigator being in a highly likely lynch situation not honestly full claiming and eating the lynch was a pro-town good play?

I'm pretty damn sure Bulb said absolutely none of that, and I have no idea where you're getting that from.

I've said this as scum but never as town, reasons I think is quite obvious.

It's null. Vote elsewhere. Like copper.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

Above and this are Ivysaur, btw.

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

@Bulbasaur: Jackel DID claim plain vanilla tracker. 1553 1569 1599. He did hint Public Tracker in 1689 but never actually admitted it.
So with all the evidence in your face, are you still saying as town investigator being in a highly likely lynch situation not honestly full claiming and eating the lynch was a pro-town good play?

I actually said nothing about whether or not Jackel's play was pro-town or not. What I did say was that Copper shifting ALL of the blame onto Jackel is a shifty move.

@Drixx: So are you strictly inferior to AD in terms of PR power? Actually I'll change the question. Why is AD's PR so OP? Cop's limited to neighbourhood, BP's limited to 1 faction, and yet AD is enjoying global protection.

I think you've misunderstood AD's power. It's really not that OP if you take the time to think about it.

I'm really torn on doing this but I think it will probably help town more than scum to reveal this;

I am a kill re director; Last night I chose somebody to have the first kill attempt on them go to another target (of my choice) -- this doesn't work if the new target is source of the kill. (my understanding is if its mafia, anybody in that mafia team, not just the person actually performing the kill)

I targeted BBMolla and redirected it to Marquis. Basically if I chose scum there was a chance it would fail, and I was hoping Marquis would be protected, its possible he *WAS* protected and my redirect is what killed him.... sorry. thinking about it now, if I had targeted somebody I thought was scummy and it failed, then I had a probably confirmed scum so I shouldn't have done it that way.

So...If I'm understanding you correctly, you took a kill that was going on BB, and

redirected it to Marquis?!

...I...That just sounds too stupid to be town. The info is nice, but,

really?!

Boonskiies did something similar in Joss Whedon Mafia. It's dumb, but it's likely a town move.

Everybody should join the commonwealth in this profitable adventure! We have free monocles and tophats!

Everyone should join us, but I'm not adding top hats to the avatar.

-Bulbasaur

[deathfisaro]

Well, I'm glad I survived.

VOTE: Pirate Ika

Will reason soon.

OK I think I perhaps combined your reply and someone's comment, I was replying to the last 3 pages or so. My apologies.

If AD's not OP but regular powered, then why is Drixx's underpowered? Now that Drixx said he's werewolf specific, he's either underpowered town BP or crosskill-immune Volcano?

[deathfisaro]

Oh sorry about that quote this board is silly. Above is @Bulbasaur

[Bulbasaur Commonwealth]

If AD's not OP but regular powered, then why is Drixx's underpowered? Now that Drixx said he's werewolf specific, he's either underpowered town BP or crosskill-immune Volcano?

I think AD saw "All Mafia" (or whatever that said) and misunderstood it to mean "more than 1 faction of mafia", when that is not necessarily the case. I'm actually back to the theory of the BPs being from the different original setups and being made to be immune only to the faction from their particular setup. In the case of AD, I think the mods were just being cheeky.

-Bulbasaur

[Narninian]

That implies, the game would still continue for the scum even if our town numbers have equalized or dropped below the net-scum amount. Only one faction can be the victor, correct?

...Duh.

I'm really torn on doing this but I think it will probably help town more than scum to reveal this;

I am a kill re director; Last night I chose somebody to have the first kill attempt on them go to another target (of my choice) -- this doesn't work if the new target is source of the kill. (my understanding is if its mafia, anybody in that mafia team, not just the person actually performing the kill)

I targeted BBMolla and redirected it to Marquis. Basically if I chose scum there was a chance it would fail, and I was hoping Marquis would be protected, its possible he *WAS* protected and my redirect is what killed him.... sorry. thinking about it now, if I had targeted somebody I thought was scummy and it failed, then I had a probably confirmed scum so I shouldn't have done it that way.

So...If I'm understanding you correctly, you took a kill that was going on BB, and

redirected it to Marquis?!

...I...That just sounds too stupid to be town. The info is nice, but,

really?!

I mean.. You can be mad at me for my intentions (redirect a scum kill onto somebody who is protected)
or you could be mad at me for what happened (doubled up a kill, basically cancelling out one scum kill)

but in either case (what I hoped would happend and what actually happened) we're down a kill.

In hindsight it was probably a mistake - but one that worked out in town's favor. (unless there actually was protection that the second kill canceled out)

[Drixx]

I don't think your plan was really that ill conceived. If you had wanted to re-direct the probable kill to a BP, it would have had less chance of working than you thought what you were doing would. It's not unreasonable to have expected the only claimed investigator to be protected, and so it wasn't unreasonable to re-direct a kill there to fail.

Results weren't optimal, and I find it highly unlikely a scum would have said anything, let alone everything you have said. You are basically high probtown for me at this point.

[BBmolla]

How does it "confirm" me

If a faction shot you, you are 99.9% likely not to be a member of said faction. Xmen is the only game where I have seen otherwise.

But that's dumb?

Why would I tell my partner to fakeclaim redirecting from me to the fucking neighbor daycop

If I was as in tune as I was in Inuyasha than sure

But I blatantly and clearly understood that Marquis was a neighbor daycop

[VysePresident]

VOTE: Bulbasaur Commonwealth

Hiya, Bulb!

I really want to hear how you went from begging for my lynch to Townreading me & pushing my primary opponent/scumread for most of the game.

I feel like I'm getting baited pretty darn hard.

I'd also appreciate some thoughts or a general overview behind the rest of your pushes.

[VysePresident]

Also guys, just FYI, I'm going to be at my job pretty much all day, and probably won't be responding to this until later in the weekend.

I'd still appreciate not getting ignored yet again. Thanks in advance!

[VysePresident]

Titus, can I get an overview of your reads, please?

[copper223]

@Lucian
I'd appreciate you shooting the Bulbasaur Commonwealth in the face so I don't have to waste my time making anither case about why they are scum.

@Drixx
I don't know wtf is up with you this game, you think LUCIAN, the player that did not claim doctor/BP when he was tokd to, fake claims vengilante?

@All
What Cerberus has to gain is create a massive amount of confusion where no clear road to victory can be seen amidst all the speculation about weird and unlikely scenarios.

@Pirate Ika
I expect you guys to lurk as fuck and get yourself lynched if you are scum as you are doing, otherwise I will not be happy with you.

[copper223]

Also:

- it is extremely unwise to keep Molla around untested until mylo as Titus suggested, I'd test today or tomorrow.

- Oranje needs to explain his twilight play unless I missed it.

[Drixx]

All claims are suspect until proven. Lucian appeared to have knowledge it shouldn't have been possible for him to have. Why do you think I should let that sort of apparent slip just slide by?

[copper223]

@Drixx
Because taking into consideration the player it's more likely he really misremembered who claimed to have knowledge of the vulcano mafia scumteam and attributed it to Marquis rather than he planned an elaborate confirmable D1 claim; all claims are suspect but some are more likely to be 1 alignment over the other, which is the case with confirmables on D1.

I can see Lucian being scum with a 1-shot KP if scumteams have daychat and they discussed possible claims for each other, but currently I don't think that's the most relevant scenario with half of the playerlist unclaimed and some pretty bizarre interactions being claimed to focus on.

@Mod: is it possible to have 2 scum factions and a werewolf faction in this game?

[Drixx]

Why are you asking the mods to mod-confirm a claim Copper? That seems like something that isn't likely to happen.

[copper223]

Why are you trying to stop it from happening in the odd chance that something can be gleaned from their reply?

[Titus]

Also:

- it is extremely unwise to keep Molla around untested until mylo as Titus suggested, I'd test today or tomorrow.

- Oranje needs to explain his twilight play unless I missed it.

That's misunderstood. After a mislynch in mylo, I would attempt to destump. If I destumped, BBMolla was lying and we'd lynch him. If not, then I could try again to destump later. I am a counter to Molla shenagans. So no, I really don't care if Molla is untested.

I am not hunting by what claim is safe, but rather what claim is plausible. I can't do shit now, but I will be helpful in late game.

[Titus]

Titus, can I get an overview of your reads, please?

Lucian appears to need rope.
OC needs to post.

Gut says Drixxx is scum but I cannot articulate why.

You are town.

Titus wants to join a hood.

I need to look at wagons.

Based on VCA, I would want PV and Drixx flipped so I could figure out what scum were doing in those pushes. No read on PV though.

[Titus]

How does it "confirm" me

If a faction shot you, you are 99.9% likely not to be a member of said faction. Xmen is the only game where I have seen otherwise.

But that's dumb?

Why would I tell my partner to fakeclaim redirecting from me to the fucking neighbor daycop

If I was as in tune as I was in Inuyasha than sure

But I blatantly and clearly understood that Marquis was a neighbor daycop

I thought having you fake the friendly neighbor message was dumb too. That being said, I would want Narnian flipped before you in any event.

[Cuttlefish]

Vote Count 2.01

Oranje Crush (2)

- Narninian, Toon Fighter

LucianRoy (2)

- Om of the Nom, Drixx

Titus (1)

- Three-Pronged Trouser God

copper223 (1)

- Bulbasaur Commonwealth

Pirate Ika (1)

- Ozgin

Ozgin (1)

- deathfisaro

Bulbasaur Commonwealth (1)

- VysePresident

Not Voting (16)

: Pirate Ika, Oranje Crush, ActionDan, ChriVi, Boonskiies, PeregrineV, vonflare, Cerberus v666, BRantz, LucianRoy, Magua, Titus, Lihin, BBmolla, copper223

With 25 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-02 10:05:14).

@mod: is there a reason we can't have full flips?

Yes, giving full flips would be a significant balance shift that we did not plan for.

I've amended rule I to include the clause in parentheses:

I. This game will use no factions other than what is considered normal (town, mafia, werewolf and serial killer).

[Drixx]

Why are you trying to stop it from happening in the odd chance that something can be gleaned from their reply?

Because in general I don't think pushing the mods to give extra info in order to game the system is good play.

That said, they decided to update the factions to "normal" which included (town, mafia, werewolf, and serial killer).

Perhaps you are barking up the wrong BP claim, as it were?

I would be

extremely

interested in why ActionDan has claimed to have information which would either contradict my claim or paint me as a scum BP when the mod update clearly indicates he could not possibly have such information. Also, please note that the Serial Killer is listed

separately

from the werewolf faction, which seems like strong evidence that my BP isn't against an SK.

We do also have evidence that one scum faction has an adjectival modifier; "

Volcano

Mafia". The kill flavor seems to back up that particular bit of info that was put into the thread. If one scum faction has a modifier, then why wouldn't the presumed other scum faction also have a modifier? Perhaps "

Werewolf

Mafia" or "

Lycan

Mafia" if you're a fan of Underworld. That, also, would match the kill flavor seen.

[Drixx]

In other words: ActionDan ... you got some 'splainin to do.

FoS at ActionDan

for obvious reasons. Hinting at having information that falsified my claim, even after I gave the entire thing. Can't possibly have said information per mod-confirmed information.