We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[Pirate Ika]

They could of targted me to test if I was hiding a role and drawing away the kill by claiming NK immune. I dunno. Anythings possible.

just so you know

you are looking so fucking scummy to me right now

[Titus]

Ika, now that's more plausible.

[Titus]

@ika, scum!OC commutes to avoid investigators?

[God of Power Outlets]

Talk to me Pirate-babe

[Pirate Ika]

if you weaned yourself off of scum!titus who wld you go for

[Oranje Crush]

Ok, starting with this on BBmolla:

Now, the whole argument that he's town because he claimed an unlikely scum role early game is worth nothing. It's called the fluffy kitten gambit (found it while sorting articles as wiki moderator, I've read a good deal of them now). Basically it's a gambit where someone claims a role that seems so unlikely for scum to claim at an unlikely time that people will hopefully see them as town due to the unlikelihood of scum actually claiming that. BB's a clever guy and a good mafia player, this isn't something I'd rule out. Maybe if this had come from a newbie or new player, I'd consider it town however BB's not that.
This makes his claim null, the ability claimed with it also isn't alignment indicative.

To some up his play: he's commenting on a lot but isn't pushing anything. It feels forced.

He's made comments on lucian being terrible, others either dumb or scum, however there's a lack of BBmolla pushing these people or explaining these thoughts of his. He may comment and rant however there's no desire to find scum in his posts.


His reads are also pretty general, following others but in a manner which doesn't look like opportunism. Take a look at his vote on vonflare in his ISO early game, the vote on vyse is also well timed and the unvote back to lucian comes after vyse wagon seems to be loosing traction.
The jackal votes are also meh.

But I forgot my main scum read I forgot while away. Lhin, this will have a big case.
VOTE: Lihin

Pr-edit: Titus, I'm not allowed to commute an use whatever I get later at the same time. Not gain an ability if I don't commute.

[Oranje Crush]

Also Ika, why am I so scummy?
After being town?
Convenient how people are changing without pushing it, almost like they are waiting to see if it will get anywhere.
Vote me and push me then, show your not full of rubbish.

[Pirate Ika]

okay

I am such an obliging girl

VOTE: orange crush

[God of Power Outlets]

I can get behind lynching anyone waving their claim around for town points.

[Ozgin]

Wait, did someone claim dayvig?

[Pirate Ika]

trouser pple can I somehow persuade you and toon to move here?

just look at twilight.

just look at it.

[Pirate Ika]

Wait, did someone claim dayvig?

lucian did

if you are town can you plz try to keep up?

[God of Power Outlets]

He's certainly not a townread at this point. I'll add him to our discussion too. We were talking a bit about Titus over the night, a bit about BBMolla, and I also wanted to talk about Magua but we didn't get around to it.

[copper223]

@Pirate Ika
Is this Mollie or Ika?

[Oranje Crush]

I am not a neighbor.

Fluff

Molla claimed Miller with a night-skip ability if they have the second highest amount of votes.
Ice claimed: Neighbour day-cop, a day-cop that can only investigate neighbours.
Drixx claimed to be a faction specific bullet-proof.
I claimed Vengilante, a one-shot mix of a vengeful and a vigilante.

I think that was everyone...

In my opinion those claims seem fairly townish, except for the bulletproof claim.
Does Drixx know which faction he is immune to? (not looking for an actual claim of which; just if he knows)

Fluff

Hello all. Going to try to read through the thread immediately. Would like it if someone could give a summary of the most important events so far, however.

Fluff

Like, you were pushing Vyse for not catching up and you let this float around. Why did nobody yell at him/her to step up his game?
The first free posts are terrible.
Let me carry on:

Partway through reading, commenting on top 3 wagons now (von, toon, vyse):
Vonflare - His posts don't feel like they'd come from scum pov; his pushes (ice particularly) and other posts like his #71+#73 leave him extremely low-hanging fruit and my gut says that scum would not be recklessly making himself look so scummy.
Toon Fighter - Do agree that he looks fairly lurky and low-contribution. Also has yet to address arguments against himself, and wants to put off neighbor claims for some reason. Leaning scummy, would hop on his wagon given choice between these 3.
VysePresident - I like what he does have, especially #1068 and #1273-76. Feels town to me.
VOTE: Toon Fighter while I sort out my thoughts on everybody else.

"Reading the game", yet she's focusing on the "current" three wagons. Yeah, this looks really town.
The reasons mentioned are absolute tosh and she jumps on the toon wagon, conveniently the largest wagon, with no reasoning what so ever. It isn't even a naked vote, she ATTEMPTS to explain it. This is a scummy post.

I am not a neighbor.

Fluff

Mostly caught up, still have pages 30-45 left.
UNVOTE: Toon Fighter

Drixx's claim is more believable to me considering ActionDan's claim. I'd rather he not be lynched/vigged today.

"Convienienty caught up enough to find toon fighter scummy and know recent actions and revotes same person to make sure they're on the wagon"
#Scum

@ozgin: Toon Fighter literally posted less than half a day ago and gave no indication that he is unable to post. I do not see why this warrants prodding. Also, he's had opportunity to defend himself (his last post was after attacks came in on him).

This backs up my point, Lihin claims to be catching up yet she looks through the last few pages to vote the main wagon. I'm calling lies here, she full well knows what she's doing and the catch up is her cover.

Then she proceeds to scum read all the public scum reads. The best is yet to come...

SHE FUDGE VOTES EVERYONE LAST SECONDS WAGON HOPPING OFF THE ONE SHE'S ON THE SECOND IT DIES.

Summed up:
1. Using catch up to join main wagon and tries to disguise it as legit.
2. Intentionally looking into current main wagons, not trying to build personal scum reads.
3. Scum reads all public scum reads.
4. Joins every wagon near deadline with horrific reasoning, please ISO her and cry.
5. Oh, she has soooo many contradictions: just read he thoughts on drixx's role.

[Oranje Crush]

okay

I am such an obliging girl

VOTE: orange crush

Good, however I want to see your reasoning now. Lets start easily, make a summary of my play and explain why it's scum.
Simple stuff

[copper223]

He's certainly not a townread at this point. I'll add him to our discussion too. We were talking a bit about Titus over the night, a bit about BBMolla, and I also wanted to talk about Magua but we didn't get around to it.

I have a light townread on Magua for getting so annoyed with Narninian and ChriVi calling the players that lynched Jackel98 bad.

[copper223]

@Oranje
What was the benefit of claiming in your mind?

[Oranje Crush]

Actually I'm going to get these Lihin contradictions and burn them to ashes

[Oranje Crush]

@Copper,
I was hoping mafia would target me thinking I was lying to hide a better role, or better still them target me thinking I'm the other scum faction trying to avoid kills.
It however was stupid after thinking

[Oranje Crush]

I've now got a strong gut feeling tha

t Drixx is town because his name claim lines with my own role.

Jackel is a good target.
UNVOTE: Drixx
VOTE: Jackel

Just gotten to death's "reaction test". I've looked and it reeks of scum that death doesn't really seem to know what or who he was actually looking for in his reaction test. You're supposed to at least have an idea of what sort of reaction you're looking for when you reaction test? Were just you hoping to draw up whatever most suited your needs on the spot?
Don't like Drixx's defenses which seem to be reactionary counterattacks to whoever is attacking him despite any of their prior actions (attacking a mason?),

and his claim is somewhat weak.

I think there are better options right now though.
TPTG and others voting Drixx: how do you feel about a death/jackel lynch over Drixx?

[Oranje Crush]

I've now got a strong gut feeling that Drixx is town because his name claim lines with my own role.
Jackel is a good target.
UNVOTE: Drixx
VOTE: Jackel

whoops, last post should have said
UNVOTE: PV
VOTE: Drixx

VOTE: PV
PV lynch is now feeling pretty unappealing to me. Utility lynch that leaves us with hardly any more information, especially if BBmolla nightskip is utilized. Only moving back if nothing else is going to be pushed through.
VOTE: Drixx
Agree with copper's reasoning. This is probably the best feasible option remaining.

Picking up prod, sorry.

@drixx #1687 - Your attack on TPTG gave off the impression of countering with a scum push on someone who was pretty much conftown and it came off as suspicious, misgauged your intent there. Explanation makes more sense to me now.

Agree that 3-shot of brantz ability would seem unlikely for scum. We could force him to use it again at the tail end of another dayphase with the lynch already agreed upon to prove that he has multiple shots.

Priority now is getting a lynch in time.
VOTE: PeregrineV

Mostly caught up, still have pages 30-45 left.
UNVOTE: Toon Fighter

Drixx's claim is more believable to me considering ActionDan's claim. I'd rather he not be lynched/vigged today.

Partway through reading, commenting on top 3 wagons now (von, toon, vyse):
Vonflare - His posts don't feel like they'd come from scum pov; his pushes (ice particularly) and other posts like his #71+#73 leave him extremely low-hanging fruit and my gut says that scum would not be recklessly making himself look so scummy.
Toon Fighter - Do agree that he looks fairly lurky and low-contribution. Also has yet to address arguments against himself, and wants to put off neighbor claims for some reason. Leaning scummy, would hop on his wagon given choice between these 3.
VysePresident - I like what he does have, especially #1068 and #1273-76. Feels town to me.
VOTE: Toon Fighter while I sort out my thoughts on everybody else.

[Oranje Crush]

LOOK AT THAT OBVIOUSLY MANUFACTURED REASONING.
Just look at the end day votes!
WHERES THE REASONING?!

[Oranje Crush]

JUST REAS THE THOUGHTS ON DRIXX:
-Scum bad claim
-Town good claim
-Scum agree with copper's reasoning, "last viable scum"
-Town drixx wagon died and she likes the claim again.

[Oranje Crush]

This is so unnatural.
Somebody lynch her with me