We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[copper223]

That is not a contradiction, as Drixx told us more about his role after 1682 and before 2176, that is the reason why I am townreading Lihin btw., there was no reason to switch his Drixx read at that point claiming matching information from his role to do so, unless they are teammates but then his initial suspicion of Drixx when he was already in trouble would be strange.

I still think Oranje is town as well, but that's mostly a meta read from me.

[Oranje Crush]

Copper I realised however there are changes of the read between and after that. Just look at how she sheeps every rising wagon late game and calls drixx ("probably town to claim") scum by sheeping you while THE WAGON BUILDS and then he becomes town when THE WAGON DIES. Explain to me how any of these posts are towns.
Not interested in other comments on her, explain those votes as her being town.

[Oranje Crush]

You town read her, then fudge explain those end day votes and toon vote. Explain hoe they are valid.
I don't think you're town

[copper223]

Look at the motivation she gave, once Drixx described his role in full she said the role matched up with information she has, I mean I don't like saying this but it's pretty obvious now that you placed the focus on it that she likely also has some information about werewolves in the game, that sound like a good reason to drastically switch your read on a player you were scumreading.

Despite Drixx and Bulbasaur's comments, Drixx was a logical lynch there so I don't hold her joining it as scum indicative, the fact she hopped from wagon to wagon at the end of the day when we were scrambling for a lynch is more town than scum indicative, you are more likely to try and get a lynch in without caring how it looks if you are town rather than scum, where you might have to be prepared to defend your play in the future so you are more likely to cover your ass.

[Pirate Ika]

You town read her, then fudge explain those end day votes and toon vote. Explain hoe they are valid.
I don't think you're town

can we just lynch orange thing already

[Pirate Ika]

so that we can celebrate that once again mollie was right for once

[Oranje Crush]

Copper, scrambling for a lynch not caring who is scum. Especially when you scum read the person and then town read them when the wagon disbands. Scum want a lynch, they'll happily jump. Town want a correct lynch, they take caution. There's a reasons these wagons went so fast, I believe they were full of mafia. Drixx and Jackal were very scum driven now looking back, drixx is town.
Also Mollie, you were very right in Varsoon mafia weren't you?
Could you explain your read?
The vote's nice but I like hearing what it's for.

[Oranje Crush]

She's also a newb, she does the newb thing of trying to justify votes by sheeping them. Wish washy voting is also a oart of that.
Don't you remember your first game were I was mafia? Remember how it went Day one with the sudden wagons on thor and waffelghost. That just happened here.
I refuse to believe your blind to this as town, your a clever guy and you would normally push this.

[Titus]

Look at the motivation she gave, once Drixx described his role in full she said the role matched up with information she has, I mean I don't like saying this but it's pretty obvious now that you placed the focus on it that she likely also has some information about werewolves in the game, that sound like a good reason to drastically switch your read on a player you were scumreading.

Despite Drixx and Bulbasaur's comments, Drixx was a logical lynch there so I don't hold her joining it as scum indicative, the fact she hopped from wagon to wagon at the end of the day when we were scrambling for a lynch is more town than scum indicative, you are more likely to try and get a lynch in without caring how it looks if you are town rather than scum, where you might have to be prepared to defend your play in the future so you are more likely to cover your ass.

+1 to the last paragraph.

[Oranje Crush]

The motivation in my eyes is "I want to get on a wagon".
With toon she's self-aware that just joining is too scummy, so she terribly justifies it.
There's also the odd motivation of "I'm going to only look at the main wagons and pick one" which really doesn't feel right.

[Ozgin]

Lucian,

Shoot Pirate Ika. Trust me and don't question it.

Trust me. For the love of god, trust me.

I have perfectly good reasons for it.

[Titus]

The motivation in my eyes is "I want to get on a wagon".
With toon she's self-aware that just joining is too scummy, so she terribly justifies it.
There's also the odd motivation of "I'm going to only look at the main wagons and pick one" which really doesn't feel right.

This last sentence is just wrong. We needed a lynch.

[Pirate Ika]

Copper, scrambling for a lynch not caring who is scum. Especially when you scum read the person and then town read them when the wagon disbands. Scum want a lynch, they'll happily jump. Town want a correct lynch, they take caution. There's a reasons these wagons went so fast, I believe they were full of mafia. Drixx and Jackal were very scum driven now looking back, drixx is town.
Also Mollie, you were very right in Varsoon mafia weren't you?
Could you explain your read?
The vote's nice but I like hearing what it's for.

yeah re:varsoon mafia I wanted skull lynched while you dummies derped around.

I already explained it. if you do not get it that is not my problem.

you look like newbscum. I want to lynch you. wat other explanation do you want.

[Titus]

Lucian,

Shoot Pirate Ika. Trust me and don't question it.

Trust me. For the love of god, trust me.

I have perfectly good reasons for it.

That's a terrible idea. I actually like PI's posting here. It's consistent with yesterday.

[Pirate Ika]

Lucian,

Shoot Pirate Ika. Trust me and don't question it.

Trust me. For the love of god, trust me.

I have perfectly good reasons for it.

are you fake claiming a cop guilty on me?

LETS JUST GET IT OUT IN THE OPEN

cos this will be the 6th time it has happened.

[Oranje Crush]

No we didn't wagon on random person is worse than no lynch, plus there's the motivation. Hers was "I don't care, lynch away". Town should be: "Uk, I'd prefer x however I'll join this as we need a lynch."
She also changed reads on drixx too rapidly.
Are you all blind or something?

[Oranje Crush]

Ok explain, why am I newb scum?
What tells am I giving?

[Titus]

Lucian,

Shoot Pirate Ika. Trust me and don't question it.

Trust me. For the love of god, trust me.

I have perfectly good reasons for it.

are you fake claiming a cop guilty on me?

LETS JUST GET IT OUT IN THE OPEN

cos this will be the 6th time it has happened.

I think he's PV.

[Pirate Ika]

VOTE: ozgin

[Titus]

Ok explain, why am I newb scum?
What tells am I giving?

Playing with elements wgertz was much more passive.

[Titus]

VOTE: ozgin

Eyes on the prize. I don't think his guilty is a guilty but he thinks it is.

[Pirate Ika]

Lucian,

Shoot Pirate Ika. Trust me and don't question it.

Trust me. For the love of god, trust me.

I have perfectly good reasons for it.

are you fake claiming a cop guilty on me?

LETS JUST GET IT OUT IN THE OPEN

cos this will be the 6th time it has happened.

I think he's PV.

I will fucking outlast him COS I AM REALLY TOWN HERE

[Ozgin]

Shut your mouths, Pirate Ika.

Lucian,

absolutely trust me when I say PI is scum.

[Drixx]

I find Oranje's effort to be pretty townie. I'm not convinced, mostly because of context, that Lihin is scum. I am curious about what possible town roles would have known about werewolves besides me for being immune, but I think we already have enough claims that probably weren't strictly necessary, so I'm not gonna poke that at the moment.

@Ozgin - If Lucian does as you ask and Pirate Ika flips scum, you will have basically painted a target on your back anyway. If the hydra team Ika flips town, you probably get lynched. This is a case where it seems like your reasons probably don't need to be obfuscated. Obviously you should consider my logical thought process for yourself, but I'm not sure how you can tell the dayvig to shoot a scum and

not

end up being a very quick NK target {Presuming your reasons are sound}. If you don't have a role related reason among your "perfectly good reasons", then you have even less reason to obfuscate and withhold your thoughts. Ugh ... that's just a bad play all around.

After the game, I'd appreciate some tips on trying to draw a NK attempt, because my attempts to do so just made me look scummy (admittedly to OM who didn't really make a good case ... but my early posting is STILL causing people to bring me up as a viable wagon) Just keep this request in mind for end of game. I'm not making it to try and earn points. I'm just not sure I'll remember what I was frustrated by my attempts to try something new this game weeks from now, so I'm saying it while I'm thinking it.

[Oranje Crush]

Titus, that game I was in another at the same time. I wasn't focused and popped in occasionaly then left.
Also still not scum tell, I want to see you explaining my motivations and stuff. Meta doesn't do shit I've learned.